Is God evil?
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Their evil was disobedience. No one said anything about nakedness being evil--between husband and wife in the privacy of their bedroom, it is quite appropriate. Adam and Eve's embarrassment over their nakedness is likely just a an association that they made between their lack of physical covering and their lack of spiritual covering for their sin.
I think it is the lack of modesty (which invites all the nearby men to lust) that is the problem. There are a lot of Christian moms and dads who have teenage sons. They would prefer that their sons not be exposed to near naked women.
No sorry, that is wrong, it is Not according to His own word as you try to claim.
As I said before the english is translated from the Hebrew word "Rah" which has a broader definition and is used for not just the term to describe "evil" but the Hebrew word 'Rah' also means "calamity, disaster, trouble, etc. Other Bible translations besides the KJV use these other words as the translation.
NCV "7 I made the light and the darkness. I bring peace, and I cause troubles. I, the Lord, do all these things."
NIV " 7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster;..."
ESV "7 I form light and create darkness;I make well-being and create calamity;...."
NASB "7 The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity"
NLT "7 I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times.
Holman Christian Standard "7 I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster;..."
RSV "77 I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe ..."
This is a good point also.
(Though we don't really need to go back to this, in 1887: )
This is a good point also.
(Though we don't really need to go back to this, in 1887: )
Bathing Costumes from Marshall & Snelgrove, Oxford Street, public domainm wikimedia
Well, it is doubtful that these costumes would inspire lust.
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Taken,
I suggest you do a closer study of the Hebrew, 'ra' (evil) in Isa 45:7.
The KJV has misled us with 'evil' as the translation. Cf ESV, NKJV, NIV, NRSV NASB for a more accurate transl.
Oz
What I have claimed, is what the Lord Himself has claimed.
Scripture reveals the Lords Claim, and I agree with the Scriptures.
Isa 45.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The OP is, "Is God Evil".
The Answer is NO.
God IS HOLY.
God Creates EVIL.
God IS NOT created.
Isa 45.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Glory to God,
Taken
Thanks, however I do not find your suggestion necessary, or your accusation about the KJV accurate.
God Himself has Created and INFORMED us of what IS;
GOOD, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY
What IS:
EVIL, WRONG, UNHOLY
God Himself has Created and INFOMED us of
TWO PATHS an individual can SEEK and TRAVEL.
One Path leads to:
Good, Righteousness, Holiness
One Path leads to;
Evil, Wrong, Unholiness
God created man.
God created the Paths.
God created man with the Freewill to choose
...their own path to travel.
God created the Consequences for both paths
God INFORMS us HE WILL HELP each of us
...succeed IN WHICH EVER PATH WE CHOOSE
God knows the truth in a mans Heart.
God IS JUST.
All men shall receive what they desire.
Scripture is clear, God created Evil.
Scripture is clear, God reveals what is Good.
Scripture is clear, Men have a Freewill Choice.
Scripture is clear, God desires men to Freely Choose the Path that leads to Goodness, Righteousness and holiness...
Scripture is clear, God has created and defined what is the opposite of Goodness, Righteousness and holiness.
Glory to God,
Taken
Some people just don't let the facts get in the way of their formed opinions. I've given this info to him twice.
Actually by claiming over and over that God creates evil, what you are doing is slandering God's character and that does Not give him glory.
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Hi Tzcho2,
What then shall we do with those scriptures that Taken posted? I was quite shocked when I came upon those scriptures in Isaiah and still am not wholly understanding it but, I also see the word "calamity" and "disaster" in other versions so...I have to read the scriptures and take them as He intended. And, NO I do NOT believe God is evil.
That certainly may be your opinion;
However I do not in the Least find speaking the Truth slandering to God.
Gen 2
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, AND...and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Clearly God IS NOT EVIL.
Clearly God Created the Knowledge of WHAT is Good and WHAT is EVIL.
Clearly God Created the Knowledge of wHAT a man can FREELY CHOOSE, between seeking Good or seeking Evil, and the Consequences for which ever a man Freely Chooses to seek, that is that which a man shall find.
You have given your adamant Objection to Gods own word of having Created Evil....
But you fail to give your opinion of WHAT instead Created Evil, or your supporting Scripture for such a conclusion.
Glory to God,
Taken
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The Bible teaches us that the LORD God is Sovereign.Hi Tzcho2,
What then shall we do with those scriptures that Taken posted? I was quite shocked when I came upon those scriptures in Isaiah and still am not wholly understanding it but, I also see the word "calamity" and "disaster" in other versions so...I have to read the scriptures and take them as He intended. And, NO I do NOT believe God is evil.
Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';"
Our heavenly Father is ultimately in control of everything. God allows/ uses the bad times, disasters, woes, or misfortunes at times to accomplish His plan & for His purposes. Sometimes tests comes as chastisements because we get off the path & that causes consequences at times. The Bible tells us God is loving, patient & merciful also & pours out His grace and mercy and forgiveness. We are told in all things to pray. The Bible also tells us God's ways are not our ways, He is the Creator and sees the end from the beginning & our life and times is in His hands. There is also Satan, who we must contend & God allows tests to happen, but we are more then overcomers through God's beloved Son our Lord & redeemer Jesus Christ! We are promised that He walks with us always & gives us the ultimate victory & eternal life no matter what we sometimes must endure on this earth and it is all for God's glory. We are told to occupy until He comes, because this is enemy territory we are in, though God is in control ultimately & we have been given an instruction manual -the Bible and prophetic scriptures that tells us how it will all unfold. We know that All Wisdom and power belong to our heavenly Father God & HE is the author and finisher of our faith , Hebrews 12:2.
We can look to the book of Job for inspiration how to handle tests when they come, and Apostle Paul all that happened to him- 3X shipwrecked, stoned, whipped, beaten. Sometimes Satan is allowed to buffet us, but it is all under God's sovereignty, through faith & prayer we can call on God for shelter & refuge. I don't know if this meets your question of what should we do with the scripture of Isaiah 47, but that's how I've come to understand these things & God's sovereign will.
2 Cor 11:25 "24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea. 26 In my frequent journeys, I have been in danger from rivers and from bandits, in danger from my countrymen and from the Gentiles, in danger in the city and in the country, in danger on the sea and among false brothers,…
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Yes.
And who is challenging His Soverignty to Create Evil?
Yes.
And how can men DO Evil, if Evil and the Knowledge of Evil does not exist?
Glory to God,
Taken
You are making a false statement about God based upon a bad translation of the Hebrew word "rah" placed in the KJV . God is not the author of sin. Allowing is not the same meaning as creating. (Besides being a believer & following Jesus) I believe & follow the Bible scripture and not-- the King James Version.
No, I am not.
Perhaps it is you Challenging Gods creation, based on misunderstanding.
Why deflect? That was not claimed or the topic or the point.
Never said it was.
And so, your point is, God ALLOWS "evil"...wihtout First Establishing the creation of what EVIL is?
Well, okay. That is Your option. Doesn't make you right and others wrong or others right and you wrong.
I don't have to bad-mouth your Elected Version as pseudo "proof" that "my" Primary Elected Verizon is Bible Scripture....and yours is not.
I don't really care what version of Scripture people choose....I am quite confident they all say God is the Creator and Maker...and to argue against that, doesn't make me wonder about your Bible Version Choice, but rather why, you fear the truth of Gods creations.
There are many men who challenge God...
Saying HOW CAN A GOD WHO IS LOVE...
Create death, hell a place of torments, evil, disasters, diseases, etc.
If you believe God is the creator, but did not create those things....then WHO DID create them?
Glory to God,
Taken
Even the NLT gets it right. It says "I send good times and bad times". This is a statement of God's sovereignty. He does what He wills. Evil is simply the absence of what God has declared to be good--just as darkness is the absence of light.
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That is TOTAL NONSENSE.
God allows evil to exist, but to claim that God created evil is to blaspheme God. God HATES sin and evil.
God creates natural calamities and disasters such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, etc. But all of nature is under His control, and the natural creation was subjected to a curse when Adam sinned.
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