I was responding to the associated portion of your post 47. Apparently you already do not remember what it was.
Every NT passage that I posted is directly applicable, correcting your confusion regarding gifts and calling.
Is God finished with Israel?
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Every NT passage that I posted is directly applicable, correcting your confusion regarding gifts and calling.
I would take that a step further. "All Israel" means every tribe of the 12 tribes of Israel in which there will be believing Jews after the Second Coming of Christ. And "Palestine" would be "Greater Israel" from the Nile to the Euphrates (perhaps 10 times the size of modern Israel). Israel and Jerusalem will be redeemed and restored and there is a huge number of prophecies speaking of that. But that is only after the Second Coming of Christ. So anyone denying this is simply ignorant.
Tell James.
James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Paul has expressly explained who "all Israel" is in Romans 9:6-8.
It is not the racialized malinterpretation of modernist apostate df.
ScottA
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Not that I have not already given the information, but do an online Bible search of the words "this generation" and you will see that Jesus spoke to that very generation and the people He then walked among. No, it was only unbelief that has lead many to believe that all He said would not "shortly take place" just as He said, for which they developed the false gospel now believed. But don't continue to believe it--in addition to strong delusion, all truth was also foretold.
Nothing remains unfulfilled except the times of the gentiles--even those days "as the days of Noah" are upon us even now.
Eternally Grateful
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Dude I am not going to tell you again to stop falsly accusing me of being racist. Your the racist person.
You posted a part in Gen 17 which was AFTER God made the agreement,
You did not post where they were required to be SAVED in order to be given the land as in Gen 12 15 and 17
Yep they did.
But a multitude of unbelieving unrepentent jews lived in the land for 100's of years before they were cast out. Because it was theres..
God said forever.. Forever does not end..
Then again, you believe eternal life can end.. so I can see why you do not see it
ALL Israel is ALL Israel.
What it is NOT is saved gentiles.
read the passage. YOU ARE NOT ISREAL. even if your a saved Gentile
There is no jew (isreal) or gentile. we are one in christ.
Eternally Grateful
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He did say they would be saved after they repent. (rom 11) He also said he had love for them (romans 9)
Your the racist. hating on Israel.
God loved the whole world. including the lost of Israel. so much he died for them
He died for you too..
Eternally Grateful
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He spoke of THIS GENERATION in context of those who were alive when they witnessed the abomination of desolation did he not?
That act, and that generation. has not been here yet.
ScottA
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No...but Israel has become "the dead in Christ" as many died before salvation came, but have proceeded "we who are alive and remain." Thus, it is written: "But many who are first will be last, and the last first."
Eternally Grateful
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I do not have to tell james anything
James spoke truth. What does it prophit a man if he CLAIM he has faith, but has no work. Can that faith save him?
No.
Why?
BECAUSE HE HAD A CLAIMED FAITH ONLY. Mere belief will not save anyone..
The jews had many works.. yet their works they depended to save them, which is why Paul said they were accursed. because they did like you are doing and added work to grace.
James spoke to a different group. The licentious. I believe in jesus, but I do not trust him. Those people do not have work. BECAUSE they did not have faith.
Faih works man Paul made this clear in Eph 2: 10
if we do not have works. we never had faith.
Can we be saved with no faith? no
those people in james never repented..
Eternally Grateful
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as far as salvation, this is true, there is no jew or gentile
in context of romans 11. Your wrong. All isreal is all the natural branches.. Not one gentile is part of All Israel.
ScottA
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Tell us then...what abomination is greater than the crucifixion of the Son of God? (Rhetorical)
I tell you--the abomination that makes desolation is fulfilled, for which Christ is called "the End." Therefore, He said, "See! Your house is left to you desolate."
James 2:21
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Abraham actually had faith; he did not claim to have faith without actually having faith.
Yet James cites him as justified by works.
Your argument is vacuous.
Eternally Grateful
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Thats not true
Paul called the unnatural branches gentiles. Not Israel.
Romans 11: Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
Their (israel sins) salvation has come to gentiles.. Their loss riches to gentiles. How much greater will THEIR inclusion be?
israel (lost) as apposed to gentile
Romans 11 is all about they vs you
They are isreal
You are gentile
Eternally Grateful
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An abomination of desolation is an unclean thing placed in a holy place.
Are you calling Christ unclean? And did he render the holy place unclean?
Yes, there house was left desolate.. Bit the holy place is not the whole house. it is a place inside the house.
Amd jesus said they would all witness this abomination of desolation. As it (he ) will be standing in the holy place.
That has never happened. To this day.
God loves the whole world.
Will the whole world respond to His love and accept his Son?
Will the entire "of Israel" respond to His love and accept his Son?
Sadly, the answer is the same in both instances.
Eternally Grateful
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So then James contradicted paul (romans 4)
Of course not. Abraham proved to himself that his faith was real.
James did nt tell us to be fruit inspectors he told those who claimed to have faith but had no works ot test their faith. Like abraham did.
If it is grace it is no longer of works. Otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Paul said in Titus 3, it is not by our works of righteousness which we have done, but by Gods mercy.
You have faith plus works. Thats a false gospel my friend. in fact in Gal 3. Paul calls you not only anathema for preaching a different gospel. But a fool for believing you begin in the spirit (faith) but must perfect in the flesh (works)
No wonder your afraid God may restore israel if they repent. You reject salvation by grace through faith not works.. You think we need to wrk for it.
Eternally Grateful
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The whole world was not given a promise like Israel was. So that is a non argument.
According to the OT prophets and paul himself. When the time of the3 gentil is fulfilled. All israel will be saved.
That means that they all repent. Whenever that may be
Whatever.
Replacement theology is false as is works based gospel..
It never was theirs.
Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
Nor will it ever be theirs.
Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Christ is the Heir.
Israel is not.
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