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Eternally Grateful

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It never was theirs.

Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

Nor will it ever be theirs.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Christ is the Heir.

Israel is not.
Yes it was.. And it will be forever more

God keeps his promises.

they will repent. God will restore them./ And christ will set hump his kingdom in Jerusalem. As King of the world.

But its ok. You do not believe he k=reps his promises to his adopted children.. You think he will fail them also.

So you explained exactly what I thought. Thank you for proving me right..
 

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The whole world was not given a promise like Israel was. So that is a non argument.


More racism and salvation by DNA.

Df heresy depends for its survival upon the preservation and perpetuation of the racial divide between Jew and Gentile that the NT repeatedly declares has been abolished in Christ.

That's a racist heresy.

Why do you deny Paul's identifications of "all Israel" and "of Israel" in Romans 9:6-8?

Here's your "Israel" figment.

Every person on the planet.

After more than three millennia of natural genetic dispersion and diffusion, Abraham's physical DNA is ubiquitous in every inhabitant of planet earth.

Genetically, "Jewishness" is found in the entirety of humanity.

Established mathematically. Example of ancestral genetic ubiquity:

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty

Nobody in my past was hugely famous, at least that I know of. I vaguely recall that an ancestor of mine who shipped over on the Mayflower distinguished himself by falling out of the ship and having to get fished out of the water. He might be notable, I guess, but hardly famous. It is much more fun to think that I am a bloodline descendant of Charlemagne. And in 1999, Joseph Chang gave me permission to think that way.

Chang was not a genealogist who had decided to make me his personal project. Instead, he is a statistician at Yale who likes to think of genealogy as a mathematical problem. When you draw your genealogy, you make two lines from yourself back to each of your parents. Then you have to draw two lines for each of them, back to your four grandparents. And then eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents, and so on. But not so on for very long. If you go back to the time of Charlemagne, forty generations or so, you should get to a generation of a trillion ancestors. That’s about two thousand times more people than existed on Earth when Charlemagne was alive.

The only way out of this paradox is to assume that our ancestors are not independent of one another. That is, if you trace their ancestry back, you loop back to a common ancestor. We’re not talking about first-cousin stuff here–more like twentieth-cousin. This means that instead of drawing a tree that fans out exponentially, we need to draw a web-like tapestry.

In a paper he published in 1999 [pdf], Chang analyzed this tapestry mathematically. If you look at the ancestry of a living population of people, he concluded, you’ll eventually find a common ancestor of all of them. That’s not to say that a single mythical woman somehow produced every European by magically laying a clutch of eggs. All this means is that as you move back through time, sooner or later some of the lines in the genealogy will cross, meeting at a single person.

As you go back further in time, more of those lines cross as you encounter more common ancestors of the living population. And then something really interesting happens. There comes a point at which, Chang wrote, “all individuals who have any descendants among the present-day individuals are actually ancestors of all present-day individuals.”

In 2002, the journalist Steven Olson wrote an article in the Atlantic about Chang’s work. To put some empirical meat on the abstract bones of Chang’s research, Olson considered a group of real people–living Europeans.

The most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang’s model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.

Suddenly, my pedigree looked classier: I am a descendant of Charlemagne. Of course, so is every other European. By the way, I’m also a descendant of Nefertiti. And so are you, and everyone else on Earth today. Chang figured that out by expanding his model from living Europeans to living humans, and getting an estimate of 3400 years instead of a thousand for the all-ancestor generation.

Things have changed a lot in the fourteen years since Chang published his first paper on ancestry. Scientists have amassed huge databases of genetic information about people all over the world. These may not be the same thing as a complete genealogy of the human race, but geneticists can still use them to tackle some of the same questions that intrigued Chang.

Recently, two geneticists, Peter Ralph of the University of Southern California and Graham Coop of the University of California at Davis, decided to look at the ancestry of Europe. They took advantage of a compilation of information about 2257 people from across the continent. Scientists had examined half a million sites in each person’s DNA, creating a distinctive list of genetic markers for each of them.

You can use this kind of genetic information to make some genealogical inferences, but you have to know what you’re dealing with. Your DNA is not a carbon copy of your parents’. Each time they made eggs or sperm, they shuffled the two copies of each of their chromosomes and put one in the cell. Just as a new deck gets more scrambled the more times you shuffle it, chromosomes get more shuffled from one generation to the next.

This means that if you compare two people’s DNA, you will find some chunks that are identical in sequence. The more closely related people are, the bigger the chunks you’ll find. This diagram shows how two first cousins share a piece of DNA that’s identical by descent (IBD for short).

Ralph and Coop identified 1.9 million of these long shared segments of DNA shared by at least two people in their study. They then used the length of each segment to estimate how long ago it arose from a common ancestor of the living Europeans.

Their results, published today in PLOS Biology, both confirm Chang’s mathematical approach and enrich it. Even within the past thousand years, Ralph and Coop found, people on opposite sides of the continent share a lot of segments in common–so many, in fact, that it’s statistically impossible for them to have gotten them all from a single ancestor. Instead, someone in Turkey and someone in England have to share a lot of ancestors. In fact, as Chang suspected, the only way to explain the DNA is to conclude that everyone who lived a thousand years ago who has any descendants today is an ancestor of every European. Charlemagne for everyone!

If you compare two people in Turkey, you’ll find bigger shared segments of DNA, which isn’t surprising. Since they live in the same country, chances are they have more recent ancestors, and more of them. But there is a rich, intriguing pattern to the number of shared segments among Europeans. People across Eastern Europe, for example, have a larger set of shared segments than people from within single countries in Western Europe. That difference may be the signature of a big expansion of the Slavs.

Ralph and Coop’s study may provide a new tool for reconstructing the history of humans on every continent, not just Europe. It will also probably keep people puzzling over the complexities of genealogy.


Corroborated empirically.
By the Jewish community itself.

Abraham lineage
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http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

How does God distinguish genetic Jews from genetic Jews?

It matters not one whit.

Because God has only two covenant criteria.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Abraham's Spiritual DNA.

And nothing else.
 

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Yes it was.. And it will be forever more

God keeps his promises.

they will repent. God will restore them./ And christ will set hump his kingdom in Jerusalem. As King of the world.

But its ok. You do not believe he k=reps his promises to his adopted children.. You think he will fail them also.

So you explained exactly what I thought. Thank you for proving me right..
God's promises are yes and amen in Christ, not Israel. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

To survive, df must deny that.

See post 82 for the identification of "they" and "them".
 
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Abraham proved to himself that his faith was real.

How?

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

What did his obedience consist of?

Explain how to obey without works.
 
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More racism and salvation by DNA.

I Humbly agree to disagree with you.

I am not going to even give this post the time of day.

As long as you continue to bear false witness. There is nothing further to say to you.

God is my witness
 
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God's promises are yes and amen in Christ, not Israel. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

To survive, df must deny that.

See post 82 for the identification of "they" and "them".
Post 82 does not do anything

THEY are Israel. THEY are blinded in part (unsaved) and THEY are also the remnant
YOU are gentiles

You can try to twist it all you want.. You are wrong
 

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How?

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

What did his obedience consist of?

Explain how to obey without works.
Lol

Have you ever read romans 4?

IF ABRAHAM WAS FOUND BY WORKS< HE HAS SOMETHING TO BOAST ABOUT. BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. For WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE SAY HE BELIEVED GOD AND GOD CREDITED TO HIM RIGHTEOUSNESS.

You want to work to earn salvation. You better have no sin, Because fig you have sin, Your ability to save yourself has expired..
 

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Post 82 does not do anything

THEY are Israel. THEY are blinded in part (unsaved) and THEY are also the remnant
YOU are gentiles

You can try to twist it all you want.. You are wrong
"They" are genetically the entire human race.

No twisting necessary. Confirmed mathematically and empirically.
 

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Lol

Have you ever read romans 4?

IF ABRAHAM WAS FOUND BY WORKS< HE HAS SOMETHING TO BOAST ABOUT. BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. For WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE SAY HE BELIEVED GOD AND GOD CREDITED TO HIM RIGHTEOUSNESS.

You want to work to earn salvation. You better have no sin, Because fig you have sin, Your ability to save yourself has expired..
"He went out".

Is going out a work?
 

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"He went out".

Is going out a work?
Gen 15:
4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”

6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

Rom 4: What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


 

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Due, Your a liar;

I am not going to even give this post the time of day.

As long as you continue to bear false witness. There is nothing further to say to you.

God is my witness
Brother, you are giving it the time of day. And you're letting them upset your peace in Christ.
Read 1 Corinthians 2 again. Verse 14 is reiterated in real life.

Peace,
B.
 

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Paul has expressly explained who "all Israel" is in Romans 9:6-8. It is not the racialized malinterpretation of modernist apostate df.
Obviously you have NO CLUE as to what Paul was discussing in Romans 9-11. So instead of learning the truth you are throwing around insults. Which means you do not have a leg to stand on.
 

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Obviously you have NO CLUE as to what Paul was discussing in Romans 9-11. So instead of learning the truth you are throwing around insults. Which means you do not have a leg to stand on.
If you know more about Romans 9:6-8 than Paul knows about Romans 9:6-8, please favor us with your wisdom.
 

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Yes it was.. And it will be forever more

God keeps his promises.

they will repent. God will restore them./ And christ will set hump his kingdom in Jerusalem. As King of the world.

But its ok. You do not believe he k=reps his promises to his adopted children.. You think he will fail them also.

So you explained exactly what I thought. Thank you for proving me right..
Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

You know you're talking to df when...
God says "the land is mine".
df says "The land is Israel's".
Whom to believe?
No problem for me.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

You know you're talking to df when...
God says "My Son is the heir of all things".
df says "Not so fast. Israel gets the land".
Whom to believe?
No problem for me.
 
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Gen 15:
4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”

6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

Rom 4: What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

True for him who works without faith.

But for him with faith, it motivates obedience.

Acts 6:7
And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
 
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An abomination of desolation is an unclean thing placed in a holy place.

Are you calling Christ unclean? And did he render the holy place unclean?

Yes, there house was left desolate.. Bit the holy place is not the whole house. it is a place inside the house.

Amd jesus said they would all witness this abomination of desolation. As it (he ) will be standing in the holy place.

That has never happened. To this day.
Keep believing the lie if you want, but Jesus claimed it ("Your house is left to you desolate"). The abomination was what was done to Him. He did not make the Holy place unclean, they did.
 
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I agree with most of what you said, but I would like to add something.

Because of the behavior and attitude of the Hebrew people, living as the so-called people of Yahweh, they disobeyed God and therefore he removed them from the land, sending them into exile. And while they lived in exile, the rest of the world assumed that since Assyria took Israel captive, the god of the Assyrians must be stronger than Yahweh. And since Babylon took Judah captive, the god of Babylon must be stronger than the God of Judah. In this way, the God of the Hebrews was blasphemed all day long. Isaiah 52:5, Romans 2:24

In Ezekiel chapter 36, God announces that he intends to restore his holy name. We will get to that in a minute.

Yahweh, for his own purposes, developed a relationship with the Hebrew people. We sometimes forget what that meant. In ancient times, people believed that the god was relegated to a particular region or area of land. And it was the god's responsibility to nurture and protect his people. In similar fashion, God took the Hebrew people to be "his people". At Mt. Sinai, God promises to be "a god" to the Hebrews (in the way that was commonly understood at the time), if they agreed to be "a people" to him.

So then, although there is truly only one God and he is God to every man, woman, and child on the earth, overtly, Yahweh decided to make himself known to the world through the Hebrew people. And for this reason, one might evaluate God's performance as the God of the Hebrews. Did the God of the Hebrews nurture them and protect them from their enemies? How did that project turn out? Was Yahweh a god to the Hebrews? Did the Hebrews keep their promise to be "a people" for God?

That project, according to God himself, was a failure. And Paul notes this in his epistle to the Hebrews. Speaking to those who name the name Jew, Paul writes,

21 you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

Hopefully I haven't lost you with this lengthy explanation. Bear all of that in mind and review Ezekiel 36, where God announces his intent to restore his holy name. He spells out the conditions and circumstances, which in his view, will cause his name to be holy again among the people of the world.

So then, although in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, for the sake of his holy name, God intends to restore the Hebrew people back to the land, clean them up, cause them to give up idolatry and to live as a righteous and moral people, under King Jesus. This is the main reason why God is not finished with Israel yet.

@Randy Kluth @Aunty Jane @ScottA @covenantee
Race has nothing to do with it at all, once Christ Jesus was understood ! No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son !

The nonsense of looking for a person who is a Hebrew is total nonsense, because it's not about idolising a People

What matters to God is that one is truly born again and abiding in him anything outside of such is idolatry in fact. Only two people cut it as to being Israel in the Bible in fact. and there was a reason as to why we see Jacob and Nathaniel were blessed as such, because they were worthy, such is a big deal in fact and the other Hebrews do not cut the mustard and Never did, Jacob and Nathanial had the Key and when Jesus came they who truly had faith in Moses were worthy of God, but no one knew God ? until they understood when Jesus went to Heaven that he was the Christ ?

See that !

Not to mention the fact is that the main thing for anyone is to be born again and nothing at all to do with some git claiming to be of the bloodline of the Hebrews at all, because that's not what it's about, But being truly born again is the only thing God wants from anyone, be they black yellow etc makes no difference at all in Christ.

I see one in Christ as my Brothers and Sisters and could not care about their Race at all. not to mention if one pulls out the Race card then they are clearly not worthy of God.

Fact is that their is not one person in the world nowadays that could claim they are 100 % Hebrew.

The Day that Jesus went to Heaven all that Race claims became nonsense, one is abiding in Christ Jesus or your not.

Who does one truly Serve ? some dupe who makes claims ? Or Christ Jesus ! Do not believe any mans claims. Jesus Christ is everything that we need. and who truly serves Jesus as the Christ is worthy of Israel.
Israel is you ? one who is Saved, is one who is truly born again in Christ Jesus himself, there by worthy of the Body, his Church.

If one claims to idolise the so called Hebrew, think of this, John the Baptist was a Hebrew, yet what did he say of Jesus, that he was not even worthy of even the sandals that Jesus had.
 
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A child of God can not engage in prolonged willfull disobedience.

Hebrews 10
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 
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