Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

[St. SteVen]

Be it true or false, isn't all doctrine biblical?

Doctrine is man-made.
It comes with biblical "proof-texts".
So, how could doctrine ever be unbiblical?

Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

--- PARODY ---

Christian #1: Your beliefs aren't biblical.
Christian #2: Say what?
Christian #1: Your beliefs aren't biblical.
Christian #2: I don't understand.
Christian #1: Your beliefs are unbiblical.
Christian #2: That's ridiculous.
Christian #1: Why?
Christian #2: I gave you biblical support.
Christian #1: It was unbiblical.
Christian #2: Are you nuts?
Christian #1: It was clearly unbiblical.
Christian #2: How could that be?
Christian #1: It doesn't match the whole Bible view.
Christian #2: So it was biblical then?
Christian #1: No, it was unbiblical.
Christian #2: It was from MY "whole Bible" view.
Christian #1: That's unbiblical.
Christian #2: How can a Biblical view be unbiblical?
Christian #1: That doesn't make sense.
Christian #2: BINGO!

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[Wick Stick]

So if I can find a verse that says something... then it's Biblical?

Ecclesiastes 8:15 I recommend having fun, because there is nothing better for people in this world than to eat, drink, and enjoy life (NLT)

Skipping work and off to the local pub, then. The Bible said so!

 

[St. SteVen]

So if I can find a verse that says something... then it's Biblical?

Ecclesiastes 8:15 I recommend having fun, because there is nothing better for people in this world than to eat, drink, and enjoy life (NLT)

Skipping work and off to the local pub, then. The Bible said so!

LOL
It might not be the best decision.
But you did provide a reference.
How can I say it isn't biblical?

That's the point.

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[Bruce-Leiter]

Be it true or false, isn't all doctrine biblical?

Doctrine is man-made.
It comes with biblical "proof-texts".
So, how could doctrine ever be unbiblical?

Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

--- PARODY ---

Christian #1: Your beliefs aren't biblical.
Christian #2: Say what?
Christian #1: Your beliefs aren't biblical.
Christian #2: I don't understand.
Christian #1: Your beliefs are unbiblical.
Christian #2: That's ridiculous.
Christian #1: Why?
Christian #2: I gave you biblical support.
Christian #1: It was unbiblical.
Christian #2: Are you nuts?
Christian #1: It was clearly unbiblical.
Christian #2: How could that be?
Christian #1: It doesn't match the whole Bible view.
Christian #2: So it was biblical then?
Christian #1: No, it was unbiblical.
Christian #2: It was from MY "whole Bible" view.
Christian #1: That's unbiblical.
Christian #2: How can a Biblical view be unbiblical?
Christian #1: That doesn't make sense.
Christian #2: BINGO!

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A lot of "doctrine" comes from outside the Bible from human logic. Examples are Jehovah's Witness and Mormon doctrines, which try to make the Trinity logical by making him one, only god without three Persons and three gods without being one God, respectively.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

If you have to ask....

 

[Dan Clarkston]

What I am trying to address is doctrine that is indeed biblically-based that is being
called unbiblical simply because the opposing viewpoint disagrees with it.

The catholics claim engaging in necromancy to contact mary and other dead people (those that have passed away) is biblical... but it's not seeing Jesus and His Apostles never taught anyone to practice this and the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ never lead anyone to practice this either.

They'll claim it was the "spirit" leading them to practice this but it was the wrong "spirit"... but they don't know that.

This is a classic example of extra biblical teaching that is false doctrine simply because it' didn't come from the Lord or His Word.

The biblical writers were not making stuff up and they were not writing their own thoughts.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 19:10
for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (God's Word is what 2 Peter 1:16-21 is speaking of)

2 Peter 1:21 is referring to that which Jesus (God's Word) has to say to mankind thru the written Word which is the oracles of God which came thru the descendants of Abraham

Romans 3:2
because that unto them were committed the oracles of God

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13), and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Those that believe they don't need God's Word or believe there's no need to judge what they are getting in the Spirit to see if it agrees with God's Word are sadly deceived by the devil.

The devil's MO can be found in how he deceived Adam and Eve in to not believing God's Word and that turned out badly... those not following God's Word today will also learn the hard way that this sort of thing ends badly..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So if I can find a verse that says something... then it's Biblical?

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

And apparently some whack themselves thinking it's biblical

 

[St. SteVen]

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

And apparently some whack themselves thinking it's biblical View attachment 63545

How can you say it isn't?
References were provided.
Definitely a bad idea, but not unbiblical.

The point of the joke is that we need to be careful with the Bible.

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[David Lamb]

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

And apparently some whack themselves thinking it's biblical View attachment 63545

Yes, I have seen that example in a critique of the idea of opening the bible at random, and believing that the first verse you eye catches must be God's word to you for the day. Somebody apparently did that, and the first verse he came across was "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5) "That can't be right," he said to himself, "I'll try again!" He did, and the next verse he came across was "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37) It shows the nonsense that can result when we take bible verses out of their context.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, I have seen that example in a critique of the idea of opening the bible at random, and believing that the first verse you eye catches must be God's word to you for the day. Somebody apparently did that, and the first verse he came across was "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5) "That can't be right," he said to himself, "I'll try again!" He did, and the next verse he came across was "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37) It shows the nonsense that can result when we take bible verses out of their context.

Here's a testimony you might enjoy.

I was on another forum years ago where a man was having a rant which ended in an absolute fit by writing this:
"... consult with your Holy Spirit and get back to me!"

Yikes! It was a real scorcher of a post. Had to wear oven mitts to read it. - LOL

I was still reeling when I heard the Spirit say very clearly to me, "Answer him."
Say what? "Er... what should I say?"
No reply, as usual. - LOL

I hit REPLY and took a deep breath and just started typing.
Words were going into the post with little thinking effort from me.
I reviewed what I had written and fixed the obvious spelling errors.
Marveling at what I had written, but a bit uncomfortable. I hit SEND.

I had asked him to flip open a Bible and point randomly to a verse that would speak to him.
Under normal circumstances I don't recommend doing that. But... whatever. ???

The next day I heard back from the guy. He was a completely different person.
Something had changed. He told me that he had in fact randomly opened the Bible and pointed to a verse.
The verse is pasted below.

When he read "before the silver cord is severed" he was overcome with God's presence.
The post I had delivered spoke to the pain he was experiencing. Which I had no knowledge of.

He shared that he had lost a child and his wife in childbirth. He was angry and bitter.
The "silver cord" had reminded him of the umbilical cord "severed" at birth.

He pressed me to tell him the color of his wife's hair.

I said that would be an abuse of the gift, but for some reason I was seeing red hair in my mind's eye.
BINGO. Red hair.


Ecclesiastes 12:6 NIV
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,

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[Dan Clarkston]

The point of the joke is that we need to be careful with the Bible.

Yeah, scripture can be twisted to appear to say things the Lord did not actually say... such as:

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

And apparently some whack themselves thinking it's biblical

It shows the nonsense that can result when we take bible verses out of their context.

This is exactly what the OSAS peoples do resulting in their false doctrine along with the calvinists and the catholics not to mention the JM's, Momons, etc, etc.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yeah, scripture can be twisted to appear to say things the Lord did not actually say... such as:

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

LOL

It appears the scriptures do say those things.
Is it unbiblical?

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[David Lamb]

Yeah, scripture can be twisted to appear to say things the Lord did not actually say... such as:

The Bible says "Judas went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5)

Jesus once said "Go do thou likewise" (Luke 10:37)

And apparently some whack themselves thinking it's biblical

This is exactly what the OSAS peoples do resulting in their false doctrine along with the calvinists and the catholics not to mention the JM's, Momons, etc, etc.

If by "Calvinists" you mean people who believe in the so-called "Doctrines of Grace," then I don't believe your contention that they take scriptures out of context. Many of the historical Confessions of Faith are Calvinistic, yet they are firmly based on Scriptural teaching (and not Scripture taken out of context). For example, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith both provide scriptural support for every topic they include.

 

[St. SteVen]

... the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith both provide scriptural support for every topic they include.

Yes.
This is exactly my point.
We don't have to agree with a doctrinal position for it to be biblical.
For a position to be biblical, it simply requires biblical support.

But we see this quite often on the forums.
A position declared unbiblical simply because the opponent disagrees.

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[Dan Clarkston]

It appears the scriptures do say those things.
Is it unbiblical?

Well, go whack yourself and see where you end up.

Then you'll find out first hand if it was biblical to whack yourself or not

If by "Calvinists" you mean people who believe in the so-called "Doctrines of Grace," then I don't believe your contention that they take scriptures out of context. Many of the historical Confessions of Faith are Calvinistic, yet they are firmly based on Scriptural teaching (and not Scripture taken out of context). For example, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith both provide scriptural support for every topic they include.

That's all false doctrine that is not biblical at all.... unless one twists scripture and changes definitions like the calvinists do by the leading of demons spirits who taught them the doctrines of demons kn own as calvinism

We don't have to agree with a doctrinal position for it to be biblical.

Calvinism is not biblical... it's authored by the devil and his demon buddies

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
We don't have to agree with a doctrinal position for it to be biblical.

Calvinism is not biblical... it's authored by the devil and his demon buddies

If they can support it with scripture then it is biblical.
It's not unbiblical simply because you don't agree with it.

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[Dan Clarkston]

If they can support it with scripture then it is biblical.

They cannot... without changing definitions and ignoring large portions of scripture.

As an example they claim limited atonement is true... God's Word PROVES it's false.

They call God a liar claiming God assigned most people to spend eternity in hell before they were ever born, when God's Word say it's will for all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth

They change definitions to accommodate their false doctrine which is deception and one of the many ways we know their little religious social club is inspired by demons.

 

[St. SteVen]

They cannot... without changing definitions and ignoring large portions of scripture.

As an example they claim limited atonement is true... God's Word PROVES it's false.

They call God a liar claiming God assigned most people to spend eternity in hell before they were ever born, when God's Word say it's will for all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth

They change definitions to accommodate their false doctrine which is deception and one of the many ways we know their little religious social club is inspired by demons. View attachment 63768

Doctrine is man-made and no one can be saved by it.

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[Dan Clarkston]

Doctrine is man-made and no one can be saved by it.

God's Word contains HIS doctrine... doctrine simply means teaching.

Those claiming God is not teaching mankind in His Word have been deceived which is what the calvinists are.

 

[Wick Stick]

God's Word contains HIS doctrine... doctrine simply means teaching.

Those claiming God is not teaching mankind in His Word have been deceived which is what the calvinists are.

Yes, God provided his doctrine directly to Moses. One can find it in Deuteronomy 5 or Exodus 20.

Somehow there are 1,186 more chapters besides those two, which leads me to believe that St SteVen might be on to something with the idea that a lot of doctrine is man-made.