Could you give the verses you think the man was referring to as regards sheepdog?
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Could you give the verses you think the man was referring to as regards sheepdog?
You would make it that this is the only other option to your presentation, however, that is a fallacy, there are more options besides.
Another poster pointed out very well that Jesus, when facing the devil's temptations, the devil knowing exactly who Jesus was, Jesus being perfectly capable to order the spirits about, responded with God's Word, that Word which God declares higher than His Name.
We hold both Jesus, and His Word. It's not "one or the other". That's a False Alternative or False Narrative.
And the poster who referred to themself as the sheepdog, was not self-derogatory. But your remarks were.
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Yeah, and it should be an alert , if anyone teaches that God is found separately from His Word, then also implies that relying on the scriptures as the measure of Godly TRUTH as idolatry. The only way to test the spirits & test teachers is by God's word. The Apostles would not have allowed that type of teaching to go unchecked in the early church.
Hm, the dogs begin to howl. It's actually when you denigrate the Scripture, and depart from it. The rest is smokescreen.
Remember . . . Episkopos broad brushed the lot of us as "howling and barking dogs", not just the one. me too. Let's not whitewash anything.
Is. 26:10 Though grace is shown to the wicked man, he does not learn righteousness. In the land of righteousness he acts unjustly and fails to see the majesty of the LORD.
This fits to a tee those who come into the church...the land of righteousness...yet these are not able to learn righteousness...thinking they have it already from a religious belief...but the fruit shows otherwise. Self-deception is in the heart and mind of the religious one.
To be like Jesus means to do righteously and humbly...and lovingly. But the stony heart gets in the way.
Very sad indeed. If we would judge ourselves (and know ourselves) we would not be judged.
This fits to a tee those who come into the church...the land of righteousness...yet these are not able to learn righteousness...thinking they have it already from a religious belief...but the fruit shows otherwise. Self-deception is in the heart and mind of the religious one.
To be like Jesus means to do righteously and humbly...and lovingly. But the stony heart gets in the way.
Very sad indeed. If we would judge ourselves (and know ourselves) we would not be judged.
No preacher from God tries to claim there is a separation between the righteous Godly Truth and God's word or calls adhering to what the Bible teaches as idolatry. God's word is Truth it is the spiritual authority by which we gauge false teachings against.
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Amen, and me too ♥According to the NT ALL have a say...all participate in the meetings. I think the problem is due to a misunderstanding of what ministry is. We are to help empower others...not ourselves. So we see the difference between self-promotion and the promotion of others.
Big difference!
Glad you left that place!
Of course the poster wasn't being self derogatory calling himself a sheepdog! He was being derogatory to someone else by calling them a wolf.
Yes, lets not whitewash anything. The man called epi a wolf.
Yes...the mysterious sheepdog verse that the "bible-adherents" claim exists...but just not in the bible.
It is ever a wonder that they who claim to "follow the bible"...as if it was a god...a paper god...don't actually know it, or understand it or take it seriously. Bible followers are NOT Jesus followers. They follow their own minds and human interpretations from what they consider a magic book. These are religious aficionados and bible enthusiasts. Christians in name but not in action. Yet we are to know the brothers by their love and their fruit. But this is thrown out in favour of an allegiance to a book...a dogmatic stance derived from a misreading and misunderstanding that the bible is looking for followers of itself. You will know them by their slogans? By their religious pride and thumpings?
So in our modern times we have sinful holiness, born again sinners and bible followers (whatever that means)?!?!
We are in the end times.
The flesh has taken over!If this is what you think the man was saying, you have no idea what he was saying!
Then call him on it. Or ignore it. But why just throw out like a bucket of paint to splatter all who stand by, " . . . howling dogs!"
And then to defend, but he called himself a sheepdog. That's not what this is.
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Much love!
Did I?
And even so . . . Is that how we're to be? Either way? Is that the example we should set?
Much love!
Why don't you call him on it? Why ignore what he began by calling a man a wolf and then latch on to the response to being called a wolf?
The point is giving a pass to one man but then calling the second man. That's the point.
I'm not giving anyone a pass, and that's not up to me anyway.
But why is it so important for someone to call me a dog, and someone else to defend their right to do so?
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