IS JESUS THE ONLY WAY?

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"No one comes to me unless the father draws them."

. . . and if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself . . .

 

[Truman]

I love you too!!!

Go take a bath, you freak! Lol

 

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'One Way' signs..in 1970's.
- During the 'Jesus Movement'.
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John 14:6
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My spiritual journey started..in 1970's.
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Many memories of those days..

Bumper sticker covered cars . . .

 

[marks]

Go take a bath, you freak! Lol

I've been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb!

 

[Pearl]

This is all a result of the wicked all inclusive mindset .
This is what i have been at war with for a long time . We must stand on the one and only orginal gospel of Christ unto the end .
JESUS CHRIST ALONE is the only NAME whereby one can be saved .
That if you shall confess HIM by mouth and believe from the heart that GOD has rose HIM from the dead , YE shall be saved .
All else is vain and cannot save . This all inclusive mindset is just sucking up whole churches now .
We must stand firm and contend for the truth faith that CHRIST and the apostles first DELIVERED .

Some people would take it as an insult or racist to say that Jesus is the only Way to God. And because the emphasis on 'political correctness' it has become almost a hate crime to adhere to Jesus' teaching. Mad.

 

[theefaith]

"No one comes to me unless the father draws them."

God gives the grace of conversion yes

but I am referring to Christians fully in Christ

 

[Pythagorean12]

God gives the grace of conversion yes

but I am referring to Christians fully in Christ

So am I. Those who are fully in Christ were chosen before the world came to exist to be saved. Their names are in the lambs book of life.
Jesus said he taught in parables that not all would understand and be saved.

Jesus said no one comes to him but the father draws them. Exclusive does not imply inclusive.
Matthew 13, Mark 4.

 

[Pythagorean12]

. . . and if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself . . .

Yes, all who the father draws to him. Because no one can come to Jesus unless the father draws them. John 6:44, Ephesians 1.

 

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Yes, all who the father draws to him.

Jesus changed that.

First He said that they could only come to Him if the Father drew them. But then He said if He is lifted up, He would draw all men to Himself. Not that the Father would continue to draw them, rather, Jesus Himself would draw them.

Until Jesus' death, He had abdicated all control to the Father, but after His resurrection, He said all authority was given Him, so go and make disciples of all nations. Because Jesus died for us, and now draws all to Himself.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

So am I. Those who are fully in Christ were chosen before the world came to exist to be saved. Their names are in the lambs book of life.
Jesus said he taught in parables that not all would understand and be saved.

Jesus said no one comes to him but the father draws them. Exclusive does not imply inclusive.
Matthew 13, Mark 4.

you misunderstand these things

God does not predestin some to salvation and other to damnation that would be injustice

we have free will to choose salvation or damnation

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Pythagorean12]

you misunderstand these things

God does not predestin some to salvation and other to damnation that would be injustice

we have free will to choose salvation or damnation

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

In order to believe that you have to ignore all those other parts that tell us God predestined everything.

That he created a book of names of the saved before he made the world is a huge obstacle to overcome.
He did that before anything existed. He named those he'd save before there was a planet or people needing saving.

People think it wrong to accept God at his word when he tells us he predestined all.
Prophecy in the bible, Revelation being the biggest example , proves God predestined the future.

He told Noah to ready for the flood. Lot to ready for the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah. Samson, for his power and service to God.
Moses. On and on.

You have to ignore Proverbs.
A man’s heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Proverbs 26:9

 

[Pythagorean12]

Um . . . Jesus changed that.

Um, Jesus taught that.

 

[theefaith]

In order to believe that you have to ignore all those other parts that tell us God predestined everything.

That he created a book of names of the saved before he made the world is a huge obstacle to overcome.
He did that before anything existed. He named those he'd save before there was a planet or people needing saving.

People think it wrong to accept God at his word when he tells us he predestined all.
Prophecy in the bible, Revelation being the biggest example , proves God predestined the future.

Christ and us in him
Those who are baptized

He told Noah to ready for the flood. Lot to ready for the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah. Samson, for his power and service to God.
Moses. On and on.

and all could have said no
Satan and the fallen Angels said no I will not serve they choose free wi

You have to ignore Proverbs.
A man’s heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Proverbs 26:9

refers to the fact that man should choose the good

 

[lforrest]

In order to believe that you have to ignore all those other parts that tell us God predestined everything.

That he created a book of names of the saved before he made the world is a huge obstacle to overcome.
He did that before anything existed. He named those he'd save before there was a planet or people needing saving.

People think it wrong to accept God at his word when he tells us he predestined all.
Prophecy in the bible, Revelation being the biggest example , proves God predestined the future.

He told Noah to ready for the flood. Lot to ready for the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah. Samson, for his power and service to God.
Moses. On and on.

You have to ignore Proverbs.
A man’s heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Proverbs 26:9

It's not so difficult when you take time out of the picture.

 

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It's not so difficult when you take time out of the picture.

I think a simply study looking at every place that tells us about God's book of names shows us that everyone who would ever live was written in the book of life, and as sin is imputed, names are blotted out.

Those who are saved, their names "remain written in book of life from the foundation of the world", which is the grammar used in the Revelation.

Moses went to God to intercede for Israel, pleading, forgive them, or, blot me from Your book. God have him the rule. The soul that sins, that's the one blotted from His book.

They were all there, and God has been blotting them out. To the one who overcomes, his name shall not be blotted out.

Much love!

 

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He told Noah to ready for the flood. Lot to ready for the judgement against Sodom and Gomorrah. Samson, for his power and service to God.
Moses. On and on.

Maybe I just realized you are offering these passages as teaching us that God predestined individual salvation, is that right?

Much love!

 

[Pythagorean12]

Maybe I just realized you are offering these passages as teaching us that God predestined individual salvation, is that right?

Much love!

Yes, as he said.
God predestined everything. Because everything is his.And operates according to his laws. What man calls the law of gravity, etc...is all operating due to God's design.

 

[theefaith]

It's not so difficult when you take time out of the picture.

so by predestination you simply mean God knows in advance?

 

[lforrest]

so by predestination you simply mean God knows in advance?

God knows in advance, but that doesn't articulate his involvement in filling the book.

 

[Taken]

you misunderstand these things

God does not predestin some to salvation and other to damnation that would be injustice

we have free will to choose salvation or damnation

Quick to accuse.
What God Knows and Does is one thing.
What a man knows, when he knows, when he does is another thing.

All mens destiny IS already Established.
God IS ALL KNOWING.
God Already KNOWS which men will and which will NOT Choose Him.
Men do not KNOW, until they hear, decide, and freely choose.