IS JESUS THE ONLY WAY?

[theefaith]

God knows in advance, but that doesn't articulate his involvement in filling the book.

ok so you are actually saying God has determined that some are saved and other are damned?

 

[Taken]

ok so you are actually saying God has determined that some are saved and other are damned?

Listen...he said ... "God KNOWS".
Why are you saying...."God determined" ?

 

[lforrest]

ok so you are actually saying God has determined that some are saved and other are damned?

They are, like in the parable of the potter. Yet they have free will to choose to believe the word about Jesus or not, and as far as anyone other than God is concerned the choice is in their hands.

 

[theefaith]

Quick to accuse.
What God Knows and Does is one thing.
What a man knows, when he knows, when he does is another thing.

All mens destiny IS already Established.
God IS ALL KNOWING.
God Already KNOWS which men will and which will NOT Choose Him.
Men do not KNOW, until they hear, decide, and freely choose.

I agree but that’s not what they were saying

they said God saves some and condemned others

that’s Calvinism and unjust

contrary to 1 Tim 2:4

 

[theefaith]

Listen...he said ... "God KNOWS".
Why are you saying...."God determined" ?

Yea God is all knowing
But they said God predestined or predecided

 

[theefaith]

They are, like in the parable of the potter. Yet they have free will to choose to believe the word about Jesus or not, and as far as anyone other than God is concerned the choice is in their hands.

do all men have free will?

 

[lforrest]

do all men have free will?

As far as I know.

 

[theefaith]

As far as I know.

thanks

 

[Pythagorean12]

It's not so difficult when you take time out of the picture.

It isn't difficult to understand with time in the picture. Because time is that which was co-created in the beginning of the creation of all things.

 

[Pythagorean12]

Quick to accuse.
What God Knows and Does is one thing.
What a man knows, when he knows, when he does is another thing.

All mens destiny IS already Established.
God IS ALL KNOWING.
God Already KNOWS which men will and which will NOT Choose Him.
Men do not KNOW, until they hear, decide, and freely choose.

That's not what God tells us in his word.

 

[Taken]

I agree but that’s not what they were saying

they said God saves some and condemned others

that’s Calvinism and unjust

contrary to 1 Tim 2:4

"Who cares about name tags" ? I don't.

God Does save some and not others.
Why? Because some men choose God, some men do not.

1 Tim 2:4 is in context of 1 Tim 2:1, and 1 Tim 2:2

Absolutely Gods WILL is that all men become Saved....YET....clearly men have to freely Choose God.

Not much different that your WILL be that all your children become Saved.....YET.....you can not decided FOR them, or make them become Saved.

1 Tim 2: IN CONTEXT....
Is about kings and their subjects.
Study a bit about Roman History and Roman kings and their subjects.
Many of the kings subject were Soldiers,..with struck obedience to their king...
See the room for Soldiers acknowledging and worshiping God Almighty? Nope, their king was their "god". Their allegience was to "their king alone".

1 Tim 2: Begins with what is acceptable to God....WHICH IS....EXHORT....WHICH IS....
Encourage, Advise, Urge....men to HEAR, LEARN, CONSIDER to Believe in the Almighty God....
BECAUSE GOD DESIRES THEY BECOME SAVED.

Too often you ignore the ORDER and WAY.

 

[Pythagorean12]

so by predestination you simply mean God knows in advance?

That would be Omniscience.the state of knowing everything. "the notion of divine omniscience" · 

Predestination Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary


predestination
[prēˌdestəˈnāSH(ə)n]
NOUN

1. (as a doctrine in Christian theology) the divine foreordaining of all that will happen, especially with regard to the salvation of some and not others. It has been particularly associated with the teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo and of Calvin.
   synonyms:
   destiny · providence · God's will · nemesis · kismet · astral influence · the stars · what is written in the stars · one's lot in life · predetermination · chance · luck · serendipity · 
   [more]

 

[marks]

Those he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of Christ . . .

 

[Episkopos]

Nearly 70% of born-again Christians don't see Jesus as only way | Church & Ministries News (christianpost.com)

Funny question. The only way to what or where?

Jesus is the only way to the Father. But how many people care about having fellowship with the living God while they are still alive in their mortal bodies? I would say most believers only want a ticket to heaven...thinking that ignoring the living God today is OK as long as you believe that Jesus is the only way.

The very obscurity of the question leads to an obscuring of the higher calling of God for right now...deferring that to a future afterlife based on a religious belief. Or so it seems.

 

[Taken]

Yea God is all knowing
But they said God predestined or predecided

God DID Predecide and NOTIFIED us.
Hear about God, Listen, Choose Him or Not.
Those who Reject Him, WILL end up Separated from God Forever.
Those who Choose Him, WILL end up With God Forever.

Now WHO is Choosing WHAT?
Did you KNOW, BEFORE your were naturally born? Uh...No, you didn't.
But guess what....God Knew what every man WILL choose, Before he IS naturally born.

As one grows and hears and learns....then they Choose...
Do they have to WAIT TO KNOW, what their Destiny shall be? No. They are already Notified, of their destiny by their own choice.

Did God choose FOR THEM? No.
Did God notify us before we chose? Yes.

Is it disturbing to You, God knows your fate Before you do and has already made preparations for you?

 

[Taken]

That's not what God tells us in his word.

Sure it is.

 

[theefaith]

No it’s calvins heresy I was feared off

I asked you about exegesis, what happened?

 

[Pythagorean12]

Sure it is.

"Men do not KNOW, until they hear, decide, and freely choose."

Sure isn't.

 

[JohnPaul]

Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is the one and only way.

 

[lforrest]

Funny question. The only way to what or where?

Jesus is the only way to the Father. But how many people care about having fellowship with the living God while they are still alive in their mortal bodies? I would say most believers only want a ticket to heaven...thinking that ignoring the living God today is OK as long as you believe that Jesus is the only way.

The very obscurity of the question leads to an obscuring of the higher calling of God for right now...deferring that to a future afterlife based on a religious belief. Or so it seems.

Many want to go to paradise after they die. Few realize they should enter while still alive.