Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

[brightfame52]

lol
He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

As moses lifted the serpent. so must the son of man be lifted that WHOEVER believed will not perish but has eternal life

Sorry my friend.. But God elects via foreknoweledge, but that does not take away free will..

God is not a respector of persons..

Right, they were born not condemned, Christ legally Justified, sanctified them by His death before they were born. No one Christ died for is born into this world condemned.

 

[brightfame52]

how are they made righteous (justified)

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

I can go on and on and on..

Yes many will be made righteous, How ? Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Duh the verse tells you how they were Justified, made righteous, BY THE OBEDIENCE OF ONE, yet you dont believe, that is unbelief !

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Do we come up to knowledge of the truth ourselves? or does God draw (lead) us to him?

There is a difference of God DRAWING sinners to Himself, and God CAUSING some to repent and believe, which is the UNBIBLICAL nonsense of the "Reformed/Calvinist"

ALL humans are RESPONSIBLE beings, who have the God-given ability to either ACCEPT or REJECT the Gospel of their salvation.

This is very clear in Jesus own Teaching in John 5:36-40, where He tells the Jews, that they are UNWILLING to go to Him. NOT "they COULD not", but, "they WOULD not"!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

or its your understanding of them

what is it with people who think if people do not agree with us they are lost..

simply PROVE from the Bible what I have written to be wrong!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous

Any Gospel obedience from sinners is the fruit and result of Christs One Obedience that made them righteous.

according to your Reformed theology, it is God Who does the BELIEVING for us!

FREE WILL is the Bible Teaching, anything else is DECEPTION!

 

[brightfame52]

according to your Reformed theology, it is God Who does the BELIEVING for us!

FREE WILL is the Bible Teaching, anything else is DECEPTION!

Heres my theology pal:

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous

Any Gospel obedience from sinners is the fruit and result of Christs One Obedience that made them righteous.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False witness was my comment.

So i said christ did not die for unbelief

and that is false witness

It is called deflecting. because you can;t answer

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then you dont believe Christs death provided saving efficacy in and of itself, which is unbelief !

If I did not believe, i would be dead

and I would be condemned

Because jesus did not die for unbelief.

if he did. then EVERYONE who was born would be born alive in christ. and not dead thus needing to be born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When Christ died for them and legally sanctified them, Justified them, and perfected them, they were not yet born, they could not have received Him before they existed, though He could have died for them before they existed. So receiving Him had nothing to do with it.

They were born dead. and needed to be born again

Your going against the very words of Jesus man.. Give this up...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right, they were born not condemned, Christ legally Justified, sanctified them by His death before they were born. No one Christ died for is born into this world condemned.

But they were condemned BEFORE they came to faith.

its WHY they were dead to begin with.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes many will be made righteous, How ? Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Duh the verse tells you how they were Justified, made righteous, BY THE OBEDIENCE OF ONE, yet you dont believe, that is unbelief !

dude, Your stuck on one verse.

you ignored every verse I gave you which proves you wrong

By the one sacrifice. Those people who TRUSTED God had the opportunity. because his one act of obedience gave them the ability to trust God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

simply PROVE from the Bible what I have written to be wrong!

You could not challenge her so you need to prove she is wrong.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Heres my theology pal:

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous

Any Gospel obedience from sinners is the fruit and result of Christs One Obedience that made them righteous.

your Bible has only ONE VERSE!!!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You could not challenge her so you need to prove she is wrong.

The Bible clearly PROVES her theology to be human error!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bible clearly PROVES her theology to be human error!

I disagree

Just in your opinion.

so again, in humility, admit that maybe your understanding is flawed. and then discuss it with her.

Your failure to discuss it with her only hurts your own case..

 

[Ritajanice]

@Eternally Grateful another troll alert Brother...I’ve put him on ignore..

 

[Ritajanice]

They were born dead. and needed to be born again

Your going against the very words of Jesus man.. Give this up...

Amen!!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I disagree

Just in your opinion.

so again, in humility, admit that maybe your understanding is flawed. and then discuss it with her.

Your failure to discuss it with her only hurts your own case..

lets see your Bible evidence here

 

[brightfame52]

So i said christ did not die for unbelief

and that is false witness

It is called deflecting. because you can;t answer

Yes thats a lie, He died for unbelief, for the elect.

 

[brightfame52]

If I did not believe, i would be dead

and I would be condemned

Because jesus did not die for unbelief.

if he did. then EVERYONE who was born would be born alive in christ. and not dead thus needing to be born again.

You dont believe, and your not dead, And now as you live, you are denying the saving efficacy of Christs death, which frankly is blasphemy and unbelief.