Is Revelation 11:11-12 describing Mid-Trib Rapture of Witnesses?

[pittsburghjoe]

Are these the same event? Or different Raptures (Mid-Trib and Post-Trib)?
Does "Then we which are alive and remain" mean the Witnesses that were brought back to physical life or is it the people that convert after a Mid-Trib Rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Revelation 11:11-12
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.​

If the Two Witnesses are the Two Candlesticks (Churches) ...then maybe it isn't two guys ...but everyone that is a Witness. Reborn Jews and Gentiles that are Grafted into the Olive Trees.
The scripture says the whole world cheered at their death ...that would mean all witnesses were killed ...or there was a weird Rapture event.

Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.​

Are the 144,000 the martyrs? Does that make them the Church of Smyrna?
Only Philadelphia and Smyrna have mention of a crown. Smyrna goes through a trial, Philadelphia is delivered from it. (but i don't if this trial applies to the end Tribulation or not)
Their Faith was tested like how the 144,000 are going to be tested.


There isn't 144,000 virgin Jews walking around today. It doesn't mean that. There are only two Tribes of the Twelve recognizable today ...that means it is talking about the Spiritual Descendants of Abraham. The Two Witnesses will not be killed until GOD Lets the antichrist do it ...they have the Seal.

To have the Seal is to have GOD'S Presence.
We are Spiritual Descendants via being Reborn which includes us in the Twelve Tribes ...i just don't know how the Tribe selection works.

Being Reborn is The Way to be grafted into one of the Twelve Tribes which is how you get past the Angels that are guarding the Tree of Life.

 

[Mantis]

Very interesting thought process there.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Was the first 3.5 of the final week already Utilized with JESUS in the 70 Weeks? Does that mean Tribulation is only going to be 3.5 years? Do the Witnesses have power the same time the antichrist does? Is the "Rapture" of the Two Witnesses the same "Rapture" as the Seventh Trumpet?

The other option is that CHRIST Returns at 3.5 years to Finish the 70 weeks and then Wrath starts for 3.5 years with the antichrist trying to keep people from turning to GOD. ...or is that not possible?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

JESUS is going to finish the 70 Weeks with Light Days ...while the antichrist will have 42 months. So the question is, are the dark 42 months within the 70 Weeks?

"You’ll notice that whenever satan’s time is mentioned, it will be in months (moons/lunar/of the night/darkness). In contrast, God’s time for His children is always mentioned in days. For example, the two witnesses’ time is 1260 DAYS while Satan (the Antichrist) has 42 MONTHS."​

1 Thessalonians 5:5
5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i think we should have a plan b in place incase what we think is going to happen for end days ...doesn't.

if the u.n. or the pope doesn't end up being the antichrist ...it could just end up being current governments already active going after Witnesses. i think the two beasts might already be a thing. GOD isn't a fan of giving direct evidence to unbelievers unless something is done in His Name.

the world is already babylon ...the beast system. the mark would just be doing your works (right hand) and agreeing (forehead) of the plan of satan.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We are Reborn into the Twelve Tribes which makes us grafted into the Two Olive Trees. Jews are one of the Trees so Gentiles are grafted into Jews …that makes the Daniel (70 Weeks) prophecy include us.

The abomination of desolation might have already have happened in 167 BC with Antiochus (Epiphanies) ...that means there is 3.5 years left with no physical temple to warn us that it is the end.

i think the next thing we are going to see is Witnesses doing miracles in CHRIST'S Name.

i think The Two Witnesses (Two of the Seven Churches) are those in the end times that will receive a Crown for their works. People from the other Churches can make it into Heaven, but their works will not make it through the fire test to receive a Crown.

Cloud of Witnesses???

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,​

things are pointing to the end of this place not being anything like we thought ...or satan is tricking us.

How the Millennium Reign forms is the hardest part. are there going to be people that still don't believe somehow? Why will we be priests unless there are people to preach to?

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

Is GOD'S Presence going to be in everyone's minds/hearts?

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.​

"every eye shall see him" ...the mind's eye?

Are we to be changed in a twinkling of an eye to a new reality with The Kingdom City set over New Jerusalem ...and we don't notice that things are different?

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.​

 

[pittsburghjoe]