Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?

[Jay Ross]

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[Big Boy Johnson]

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[Jay Ross]

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Really, still trying to gas light with your false claims.

 

[BlessedPeace]

"...In the Bible, the biblical Sabbath is on the seventh day (Saturday) and was established at creation (Genesis 2:1–3). To remember the Sabbath day is part of God’s moral law for all humanity (Exodus 20:8–11). There is no Bible mandate for this day to be changed to Sunday. History reveals that Emperor Constantine, in an effort to harmonize his supposed Christian faith with pagan sun worshipers in his realm, established the first Sunday law in AD 321."

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[Illuminator]

"...In the Bible, the biblical Sabbath is on the seventh day (Saturday) and was established at creation (Genesis 2:1–3). To remember the Sabbath day is part of God’s moral law for all humanity (Exodus 20:8–11). There is no Bible mandate for this day to be changed to Sunday. History reveals that Emperor Constantine, in an effort to harmonize his supposed Christian faith with pagan sun worshipers in his realm, established the first Sunday law in AD 321."

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Yea, only according to the false prophecies of E.G. White. Top SDA scholars want to edit one word in The Great Controversy ("centuries" to century) so it wouldn't be so embarrassing, but the leaders wouldn't allow it.

The "Great Controversy” Shackles Adventist Theology

Since the 1911 edition over a 100 years ago, it has not been updated in any form. Thus, the book that historically had been the pace-setter for Adventist theology has become dormant, effectively freezing Adventist theology in its tracks. What this situation has fostered is a perpetuation, and in some instances codification, of many 19th and early 20th century EGW understandings of our world and our place in it which some believe should not be “disturbed.” Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the book’s subject and viewpoints beg for engagement, both inside and outside the church. There are several issues arising from the GC that have defied, and continue to defy, settlement within the church, periodically erupting into open conflicts.

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Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, perhaps the best Adventist scholar, wrote:

The earliest documents mentioning Sunday worship go back to Barnabas in 135 and Justin Martyr in 150. Thus, it is evident that Sunday worship was already established by the middle of the second century. This means that to be historically accurate the term “centuries” should be changed to the singular “century.” This simple correction would enhance the credibility of The Great Controversy, because it is relatively easy to defend general Sabbath observance during the first century, but it is impossible to do it for the second century.

I. When Did Sunday Worship Begin?

The first of the claims I want to look at is White’s assertion that all of the early Christians kept the true Sabbath for the first centuries of Christianity:

In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians. They were jealous for the honor of God, and believing that His law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts.

(Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy, p. 52).

So that means that at a bare minimum, we should see every single Christian worshiping on Saturday for at least two centuries (since “first centuries” must mean at least two). Now read what St. Justin Martyr wrote in 150 A.D., in his First Apology:

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings [the Greek word here is Eucharist], according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.
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But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn [That is, the day before Saturday]; and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. First Apology

So well within the first centuries of Christianity, Sunday worship was practiced. And notice that Justin doesn’t describe this as some innovation, either. He’s explaining to non-Christians what basic Christian practices look like, and Sunday worship is already the norm for “all” in 150. For someone alleged to be a prophet, White’s unable to present the truth on even this basic fact about the Sabbath.

In other words, the alleged prophet’s words are true, if you change the words. This sounds like a polite way of conceding that Ellen White was a false prophetess.

 

[Illuminator]

But what about Bacchiocchi’s claim that while Sunday worship existed in the second century, it didn’t exist in the first? He’s making an argument from silence. This is a common tactic I’ve seen used by Protestants in defending their views. If you show that Ignatius believed that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ in 107 A.D., they’ll respond that the Church must have taken a symbolic view until 106. Of course, this sort of argumentation is ridiculous. If you’re going to make an argument from silence, the strongest argument is that no change in doctrine or practice happened — because if a change of doctrine had happened, we’d see evidence. If Christians suddenly (globally) started worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday, wouldn’t someone have mentioned that somewhere?

White’s second claim is that it was the emperor Constantine who changed Christian worship from Saturday to Sunday. This is from p. 53 of the book I just quoted, The Great Controversy:

In the early part of the fourth century the emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a public festival throughout the Roman Empire. (See Appendix). The day of the sun was reverenced by his pagan subjects and was honored by Christians; it was the emperor’s policy to unite the conflicting interests of heathenism and Christianity. He was urged to do this by the bishops of the church, who, inspired by ambition and thirst for power, perceived that if the same day was observed by both Christians and heathens, it would promote the nominal acceptance of Christianity by pagans and thus advance the power and glory of the church.

We already know that this is false: that Christians were already worshiping on Sunday well before Constantine. But what’s interesting is that White had a second and contradictory prophesy. You see, she also claimed that it was the big, bad pope, not Constantine, who changed the date from Saturday to Sunday. So, for example, in Early Writings of Ellen Gould White, we read her description of an vision she claims to have had in 1850:

The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first day. He has thought to change the very commandment that was given to cause man to remember his Creator. He has thought to change the greatest commandment in the decalogue and thus make himself equal with God, or even exalt himself above God.

From this, she learns that the pope is the Antichrist. In an earlier “vision” from 1847, she recounts:

I saw that the Sabbath was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to go forth and break them all, as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for He never changes. But the Pope had changed it from the seventh to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws.

It’s tempting to leave it there: she’s clearly a false prophetess. Seventh Day Adventists believe in the Saturday Sabbath because of White’s scholarship and prophecies. Both are demonstrably false. She had no idea what the history of the Sabbath actually was, and changed her story as she went along.

What I found shocking is that, once against, Adventist scholars are aware that White was wrong both in her scholarly work, and in her prophesies, yet they gloss over it. This is Bacchiocchi again:

Surprisingly even some of our leading evangelists believe, on the basis of Ellen White’s statements, that Sunday keeping began in the early part of the fourth when church leaders urged Constantine to promulgate in 321 the famous Sunday Law.

This popular view has exposed our Church to much undesirable criticism. Non-SDA scholars and church leaders like Dr. James Kennedy, accuse our church of plain ignorance, by teaching that Sunday keeping began in the fourth century, when there are irrefutable historical evidences that place its origin two centuries earlier.

I have spent countless hours explaining to Dr. James Kennedy and to professors who viewed the recent NET satellite programs, that this popular Adventist view is not reflective of Adventist scholarship. No Adventist scholar has ever taught or written that Sunday observance began in the fourth century with Constantine. A compelling proof is the symposium The Sabbath in Scripture and History, produced by 22 Adventist scholars and published by the Review and Herald in 1982. None of the Adventist scholars who contributed to this symposium ever suggest that Sunday keeping began in the fourth century.

So, once they examine the evidence, even Adventist scholars realize that White is full of it. Obvious question: if that’s the case, why remain Adventist?

The entire Seventh Day Adventist church is discredited, because it:

• (a) declares Ellen White a prophetess, when she was clearly not;
• (b) declares her writings as an authoritative source of truth, when they clearly are not; and
• (c) continues, as its distinctive mission, is to celebrate the Sabbath on the Seventh Day, Saturday. Even the church’s name is based on this mission… yet the mission is founded on junk history, false prophesies, and bad Scriptural exegesis.

It’s not as is White was wrong on some minor details. She got the basic facts about the core doctrine of Adventism all wrong, and obviously so. It’s long past time for Adventists to ditch Ellen White and come home to orthodox Christianity.
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[Illuminator]

"...In the Bible, the biblical Sabbath is on the seventh day (Saturday) and was established at creation (Genesis 2:1–3). To remember the Sabbath day is part of God’s moral law for all humanity (Exodus 20:8–11). There is no Bible mandate for this day to be changed to Sunday. History reveals that Emperor Constantine, in an effort to harmonize his supposed Christian faith with pagan sun worshipers in his realm, established the first Sunday law in AD 321."

Forcing Sunday Worship | Sabbath Truth

Should governments enact worship laws?

www.sabbathtruth.com

Yea, only according to the false prophecies of E.G. White. Top SDA scholars want to edit one word in The Great Controversy ("centuries" to century) so it wouldn't be so embarrassing, but the leaders wouldn't allow it.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, perhaps the best Adventist scholar, wrote:

The earliest documents mentioning Sunday worship go back to Barnabas in 135 and Justin Martyr in 150. Thus, it is evident that Sunday worship was already established by the middle of the second century. This means that to be historically accurate the term “centuries” should be changed to the singular “century.” This simple correction would enhance the credibility of The Great Controversy, because it is relatively easy to defend general Sabbath observance during the first century, but it is impossible to do it for the second century.

Bacchiocchi hey? I wonder if anyone corresponded with him more than I did. Our correspondence is archived in the bottom shelves of my wardrobe. I don't think it is worth the space, but however, it's there. But here now is Samuele Bacchiocchi, Professor Doctor. And I say it with due respect. And here now comes along, you, one hell of an <Illuminator>, stating, <Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, perhaps the best Adventist scholar>.
WHICH SHOWS, ILLUSTRATES, PROVES HOW THOROGHLY, HOW COMPLETELY, the Roman Catholics have been and continue with the absolute power by PAPAL DECEIT to lead all religions and faiths and churches and cults the whole caboodle of christians, christianity, christendom, name them or it whatever, BY THE NOSE.

FRAUD RULES!

The whole Church of Jesus Christ is being FOOLED by the Roman Catholics, the living mass of 1,5 to 2 billion 'believers' - within the fortress of their institutional religious 'movement', IS BEING DECEIVED. Today, not in the 1st or 2nd or any century after so much, as this 21st century of today 20230225Sunday.

IS BEING DECEIVED herein: <The earliest documents mentioning Sunday worship go back to Barnabas in 135 and Justin Martyr in 150. Thus, it is evident that Sunday worship was already established by the middle of the second century.> Which is Satan's lie!

No <earliest documents> - of Barnabas in whichever year of the 2nd century - or of Justin Martyr or Pseudo Justin Martyr in whichever century of before the sixteenth century <mentioning Sunday worship>, EVER EXISTED.

That is how absolutely all the world - not only Christianity - is being taken for a ride on devil's angel's wings straight into hell under unrecoverable depths of hell fire.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Yea, only according to the false prophecies of E.G. White. Top SDA scholars want to edit one word in The Great Controversy ("centuries" to century) so it wouldn't be so embarrassing, but the leaders wouldn't allow it.

shows how BAD the SDA as bad as you know 'the false prophecies of E.G. White'. No writer ever before Mrs E.G. White wrote of SUNDAY, supposedly 'resurrection Sunday' was this day to be remembered for its joyful truth of Jesus' resurrection on it --- NO ONE! She was the first in all history of Christianity, in 'The Desire of Ages', chapter 'He is Risen'.

Sundayresurrectionist Sunday worshippers, YOU LOOSE! AGAIN!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

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You still here homie?

 

[Brakelite]

To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false [Jewish traditional] glosses, never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during the forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit, which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instructing those founded, discuss or approach the subject.

Of course I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun-god, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism.
—Dr. E. T. Hiscox, report of his sermon at the Baptist Minister's Convention, in 'New York Examiner,' November 16, 1893

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.
But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.

They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
—The Faith of Millions

...pastoral intuition suggested to the Church the christianization of the notion of Sunday as "the day of the sun", which was the Roman name for the day and which is retained in some modern languages. This was in order to draw the faithful away from the seduction of cults which worshipped the sun, and to direct the celebration of the day to Christ, humanity's true 'sun'.
—John Paul II, Dies Domini, 27. The day of Christ-Light, 1998

The observance of the Lord's Day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the Church." Augsburg Confession of Faith.

They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments.
—Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, par. 9.

The sacred name of the Seventh day is Sabbath. This fact is too clear to require argument [Exodus 20:10 quoted]… on this point the plain teaching of the Word has been admitted in all ages… Not once did the disciples apply the Sabbath law to the first day of the week, -- that folly was left for a later age, nor did they pretend that the first day supplanted the seventh.
—Joseph Hudson Taylor, ‘The Sabbatic Question’, p. 14-17, 41.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?
—D.L. MOODY, Weighed and Wanting, page 47.
I honestly believe that this commandment [the fourth, or Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it.

When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. 'The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.' It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was-in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.
—Id., page 46.
This Fourth is not a commandment for one place, or one time, but for all places and times.
—D.L. Moody, at San Francisco, Jan. 1st, 1881.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Quotes from heretics.... let's stick with the New Covenant which says the
sabbath is not on Saturday but is entering the rest of faith by abiding in Christ.

Hebrews 4:1-11
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Brakelite]

let's stick with the New Covenant which says the
sabbath is not on Saturday but is entering the rest of faith by abiding in Christ

Let us know when you decide to post evidence for that.

 

[Bill Judson]

The Bible is quite silent on Sunday sacredness

You don't know much about the Bible then.

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week. - Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved. Acts 2 (this was the first Gospel church meeting... on Sunday!)

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved - Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach - Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:2

 

[BlessedPeace]

You don't know much about the Bible then.

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week. - Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved. Acts 2 (this was the first Gospel church meeting... on Sunday!)

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved - Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach - Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:2

It is you who have not spent much time in the word.

Jesus,Yeshua, did not resurrect on Sunday.

The Resurrection Was Not on Sunday

Jesus said He would be 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, but that is impossible in a Friday crucifixion, Sunday resurrection scenario. Here's the biblical t

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Easter is the pagan feast of the goddess Ostara.

 

[Bill Judson]

It is you who have not spent much time in the word.

Jesus,Yeshua, did not resurrect on Sunday.

Mark 16:9 tells us that - Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Matthew 28:1,2 tells us - The day after the Sabbath day was the first day of the week. At dawn on the first day, Mary Magdalene and another woman named Mary went to look at the tomb.

At that time there was a strong earthquake. An angel of the Lord came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone away from the entrance. Then he sat on the stone. 3 He was shining as bright as lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The soldiers guarding the tomb shook with fear because of the angel, and they became like dead men.

Your ERROR comes from reading occult websites instead of the bible.

You should not be looking at dirty websites! It's spiritual porn!

 

[Bill Judson]

Easter is the pagan feast of the goddess Ostara.

Christians celebrate resurrection day, not funny easter bunny day

 

[BlessedPeace]

Christians celebrate resurrection day, not funny easter bunny day

Except Jesus didn't resurrect on Sunday.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Mark 16:9 tells us that - Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Matthew 28:1,2 tells us - The day after the Sabbath day was the first day of the week. At dawn on the first day, Mary Magdalene and another woman named Mary went to look at the tomb.

At that time there was a strong earthquake. An angel of the Lord came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone away from the entrance. Then he sat on the stone. 3 He was shining as bright as lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The soldiers guarding the tomb shook with fear because of the angel, and they became like dead men.

Your ERROR comes from reading occult websites instead of the bible.

You should not be looking at dirty websites! It's spiritual porn!

Lying is a sin.

 

[mailmandan]

You don't know much about the Bible then.

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week. - Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved. Acts 2 (this was the first Gospel church meeting... on Sunday!)

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved - Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach - Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:2

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