Is Temptation Evil?

[Taken]

ah, you think that's it, do you? i'd love to see what the interface looks like on other's devices; i mean for me,
is directly followed by
is this not the case with you? or something?

Speak in a full thought if you don't mind.

Is this (what?) not the case (what case?}with you....

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

IS = Forever, Crucified, Saved, Born Again = Whole = Taken.

God Bless,
Taken

yes, unfortunately the subject there was "equals is equals," so your post about "is" is not really following that very well.
but i can adjust--"born again" = "taken?" how is this supported?

 

[bbyrd009]

I can guess your implication of what you posted.

um, for that, i really just read the phrase on the fly, thinking it was addressed to you at the time, and was struck by how it seemed to contradict the Bible. It's no biggie, it just read as a way to rephrase "i have no sin."

 

[Taken]

yes, unfortunately the subject there was "equals is equals," so your post about "is" is not really following that very well.
but i can adjust--"born again" = "taken?" how is this supported?

Uh, Taken is my name.
What applies to me is forgiven, crucified, saved, born again. Those things are equal to what applies to me.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

Is this (what?) not the case (what case?}with you...

ha c'mon, that sentence is pretty clear, isn't it? hang on, i have a member who will give me an unbiased perspective here...brb

yes, ok, thanks, and have a great eve

 

[bbyrd009]

Uh, Taken is my name.
What applies to me is forgiven, crucified, saved, born again. Those things are equal to what applies to me.

God Bless,
Taken

ha, and "Taken" is also a reference to the Rapture, yes? or is that just a coincidence?

 

[Taken]

ha c'mon, that sentence is pretty clear, isn't it? hang on, i have a member who will give me an unbiased perspective here...brb

Seriously, it was easier to write a paragraph, then to simply identify (this) and (the case)?

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, laaa.
Brahms'

God Bless,
Taken

 

[brakelite]

Yep.



Mortal is in regard to that WHICH IS natural.
Your body IS Mortal. It's LIFE is mortal. It's LIFE is BLOOD.
The first man, who BTW was NOT born, but was mortal, became SUBJECT to death. And every BODY born thereafter, IS natural, IS mortal, precisely BECAUSE it is subject to death.

A BODY may receive a MORTAL wound, which simply means, an inflicted wound that cause the MORTAL body subject to DEATH, to actually die.

However, HOW a mortal body dies, is irrelevant. God already DECLARED, HE requires the BLOOD of every BODY. Thus EVERY body is MORTAL AND SHALL DIE.
Gen 9:5



Yes, immortality is a Gift, FOR the Body, which IS mortal.





Actually the GIFT is precisely OFFERED to sinners. Sinners WHO, were born Against God, and have heartfully claimed Belief in God. They are still sinners. And Still in the state of UNFORGIVEN SIN.
Rom 5:8

It is the beginning of a conversion. While the conversion is QUICK, there still is a precise order OF the conversion.

The Lord does not Convert a Restored man;
He Converts a SINNER. It is from the truth in heart of an UNconverted man, that confesses his Belief In God.....that is the beginning of a mans Conversion.



I never said an UNCOVERTED man is kept "eternally" alive. That appears to be your thought.



That is not anything I said. That is your case, you explain it. I can not explain what you think.



You have already muddled, the issue, because you input, first speaking of a body, then some "animated spirit", whatever that is.

If you can not begin at the beginning and recognize the body, soul, and spirit of a man are separate things....how will you recognize when and how each thing is transformed...and goes to God.

Body's are mortal, subject to death, they die, they are buried, they rot. The resurrection pertains to specifically a Dead body. Not it's soul, not a quickened spirit.



Who said anything about a BODY, appearing in heaven upon death? I didn't. It clearly goes to the grave, rots, returns to dust, and WAITS, to be resurrected and glorified.

OT men were aware of burying DEAD body's.
And had a special ritual to accompany the burying of Dead Body's.

OT men KNEW the soul departed the dead body.

And ALL departed souls WERE escorted to Hell....to WAIT. There they (whos were Saved souls) WAITED in comfort with their father Abraham, WAITING for their Lord's soul to enter Hell, then LEAVE. (Because the Lord is FIRST in ALL THINGS) Once His SOUL LEFT, all living souls with Abraham, in Comfort, LEFT and RETURNED to Heaven, from whence such souls had come, via Gods Breath. NOW, they are in Heaven, with God, WAITING for the resurrection of their Body's.
And SINCE that day, of the Lord leaving Hell, all Saved living souls, departed out of dead bodies, are escorted to Heaven.
And all UNSAVED living souls, departed out of dead bodies, are still escorted to the misery side of Hell, without the Lord and without the Lords comforts.....thus their experience is torment, being without the Lord.







It is a strange infactuation, that men do not comprehend the simplistic Knowledge in scripture.

Mortal things, are natural creations out of a created thing. Earth, ie dry land created, and out of the earth is created the Earth's own inhabitants...(one called animals, and one called man)....each HAVING BLOOD. Each subject to Death. Each brought into LIVING, by a SOUL...that belongs to God...is made by God...has Life from God in the soul....and is imparted into the created thing...called animal and man....both broadly called creatures....and such imparting...brings the Creature into a living state.

Since every Creature is mortal and Subject to Death....and the soul belongs to God....and the soul has Life in it that is Life from God....
God Himself Departs, the soul, with His life in it.......when the Creature's own life BLOOD, ceases to function.

Gods Life, Gods Souls....did NOT come out of the Earth, nor does it return to the earth.

And NOR has God as YET, departed His LIFE OUT OF ANY SOUL.

All souls, made by God, that have Life from God imparted into the soul, is STILL a Living Soul. (Even when the bodies of the creatures have died and are rotting returning to the earth)....

The Living souls, are WAITING for judgement.
Some living souls, have already BECOME, restore that they shall never have life departed from them, and thus shall forever and eternally REMAIN alive.

Some souls SHALL be JUDGED, by the evidence, they were NOT restored, and thus SHALL have Life departed from them, which such Life belongs to God, thus shall Return to the God, and the thing called a soul, that God made, and belongs to Him, He shall destroy.

So also, shall the body God created, which such soul occupied, shall be void of its blood, ie life, void of Gods life, ie soul...and such body shall ALSO be destroyed, along with its natural spirit, that was NEVER reborn with Gods Seed and eternal life.

Like I said; if one does not stick to the facts of the ORDER of what a man wholly IS, He can not also Stick to the facts of what a man wholly becomes.

It is the SINNER, natural man, the Lord either DOES or DOES not convert, all based on the evidence of that individuals natural heartfull truth.

And the conversion is of the WHOLE man, body, soul, spirit, by very specific methods that pertain specifically to the body, soul, spirit.

The conversion is effected specifically WHILE the man is IN his natural Blood Life.

While a natrual man CANNOT VISUALLY SEE ANY aspect of the Conversion...
He can not See a transformed body, or soul, or spirit....it is still WHOLLY accomplished Spiritually, by our Spiritual God.

We WAIT, to SEE, the manifestation....
IOW, we continue living a natural life, with out natural blood, and our natural eyes, that CAN NOT SEE supernatural things. But God can, and thus KNOWS PRECISELY WHO is wholly transformed and WHO is not.

1 Thes 5:23

God Bless,
Taken

Sorry my friend, I can't agree with you here. The whole person (Adam) sinned, therefore the whole person is subject to death. Although maybe I am a little slow and you are alluding to this when you said ....
quote....Some souls SHALL be JUDGED, by the evidence, they were NOT restored, and thus SHALL have Life departed from them, which such Life belongs to God, thus shall Return to the God, and the thing called a soul, that God made, and belongs to Him, He shall destroy
I however take a somewhat different stance in that no living entity survives the grave. The spirit of life returns to God, yes, but there is no evidence that this breath/spirit contains any living cognizance of existence and the ability to think, feel, or act in any way. To my mind, the same life force which animated the dust and resulted in a living soul, is taken at death and the soul dies. Along with all its awareness and memory.
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
I am having this very same conversation in the hell thread. I find myself repeating myself. It is more in harmony with the thrust of the OP there...here it is off topic. Join the conversation there and please save my fingers from exerting too much energy...they're old and tired.

 

[Taken]

ha, and "Taken" is also a reference to the Rapture, yes? or is that just a coincidence?

I gave my life to God, and Trust He has Taken my life.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

I gave my life to God, and Trust He has Taken my life.

God Bless,
Taken

ya, i'm doing God's will too bro, we all are i guess

 

[DPMartin]

Our Savior also knew what His Mission was, He already knew that He was to be a Sacrifice, so to be led into the wilderness to be tempted would be what would be His Choice. Remember what John said after immersing our Savior, I saw the holy Spirit descend upon Him in the Form of a Dove, and then a Loud Voice declared, This is My Son in whom I am well Pleased, the temptations were Physical as well as Spiritual, Food, Hunger! Protection, Well-being! and of course, Wealth, Prosperity. to which He overcame by the Spirit. So I also Agree that Temptation is not Evil, falling into it will be the Evil if you allow it to lead you.

if I may add, its one thing to hear a lie (an effort to tempt to do what is against what one agrees not to do), its another to entertain the lie that would have you brake an agreement you are in.

even in the case of Jesus. if the Father ok'd turning a stone into bread, then Jesus would have done according to the Father, which technically is the agreement between the Father and the Son that the Son does and says nothing without the Father's approval. so it wasn't found in Jesus to do anything but the Father's will being the Word of God made flesh. so the will of another especially Satan ain't got no weight. again when Jesus responded to Peter:

Mar_8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

it was against the Son's agreement with and in the Father to only do that which is of the Father.

the commandment in the garden is a agreement (covenant) and Adam was:

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

therefore Adam agreed even by default, in staying in the garden, because Adam didn't leave the garden voluntarily, he was drove out.

 

[Truth]

if I may add, its one thing to hear a lie (an effort to tempt to do what is against what one agrees not to do), its another to entertain the lie that would have you brake an agreement you are in.

even in the case of Jesus. if the Father ok'd turning a stone into bread, then Jesus would have done according to the Father, which technically is the agreement between the Father and the Son that the Son does and says nothing without the Father's approval. so it wasn't found in Jesus to do anything but the Father's will being the Word of God made flesh. so the will of another especially Satan ain't got no weight. again when Jesus responded to Peter:

Mar_8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

it was against the Son's agreement with and in the Father to only do that which is of the Father.

the commandment in the garden is a agreement (covenant) and Adam was:

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

therefore Adam agreed even by default, in staying in the garden, because Adam didn't leave the garden voluntarily, he was drove out.

Yes as I have stated on other threads, that It was God preforming the Miracles to show that His Son was the Authority, and not the Religious leader's. And you are right, He did not turn a stone into bread because it was not the Fathers will, and as when He interred the gate on the colt, and the Priest told Him to tell his Disciples to shut up, He replied, if the rocks have to cry it out, then the rocks would cry it out, only because it was a fulfillment. But I think that the rocks would have!