IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHIN YOU ?

[ScottA]

I agree, but even Jesus said in the New Testament that when the Elijah was to come was sent, they did everything they could to him but did know him not. Just like they didn't believe Jesus and had him crucified on the cross. People could have tortured and killed the "Elijah" only to find out in the end he was the real power of God among them. Imagine someone killing the Lord's servant while thinking they was doing the Lord's favor when indeed sometimes the Lord test us all..People have all kinds of ideas about God but what people don't know is God's ways are not like our ways, and that his thoughts are higher then ours. His wisdom always reaches a higher level and revelation of truth..none of us will ever understand or fathom the way God works...that's why when the son of God, Jesus came to work miracles they didn't believe him when he said the kingdom of God has come upon you, they didn't believe him because they were expecting something different..some expect the kingdom to appear in extravagant ways when in truth Jesus said the kingdom of heaven does not come in a way forseen by man, because while man would rather expect the pope to be a servant of God, they ignore the man sitting by the trash can digging for food who very well could be God's chosen servant. You see the Lord tells us to walk humility, so much humility that the pope could be the one found himself a liar on the last day...and this is not about the pope over in our world..I'm just using that word as an example and terminology. But I guess that's why Jesus tells us to pass judgement on no persons cause none of us are righteous until we become made right in the Lord Jesus himself.. *sigh and like farouk said it takes a lot of bible reading and meditation to find ourselves into such situations...cause meditation helps us be mindful of things and people and to stay humble in the process... ...

Sounds like you have pretty good grasp of things. But I wonder if even you understand that the great apostasy is thinking and expecting Jesus to return in the flesh. He is not, those are thoughts born of the flesh and not of the spirit. He comes in spirit, in the glory of the Father, whom is spirit. Every eye does not see in the flesh, but only sees in the spirit. Thus, He comes and has come to many already since He first announce it, not by observation in the world, but in the kingdom within. For He does not come to be here, but rather that where He is (with the Father), that we might be also. All of which is just what is written, but men interpret by the flesh and not in spirit and in truth.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Re: Is the Kingdom of God within you?


Revelation 1:18
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

2 Corinthians 6:9-11 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. [11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.

“...our mouth is open unto you” enter in “our heart is enlarged.”
2 Corinthians 6:15-16 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[farouk]

like farouk said it takes a lot of bible reading and meditation to find ourselves into such situations...cause meditation helps us be mindful of things and people and to stay humble in the process... ...

Indeed, so, @Jennifer May I be constantly challenged in this...

 

[Jennifer]

Sounds like you have pretty good grasp of things. But I wonder if even you understand that the great apostasy is thinking and expecting Jesus to return in the flesh. He is not, those are thoughts born of the flesh and not of the spirit. He comes in spirit, in the glory of the Father, whom is spirit. Every eye does not see in the flesh, but only sees in the spirit. Thus, He comes and has come to many already since He first announce it, not by observation in the world, but in the kingdom within. For He does not come to be here, but rather that where He is (with the Father), that we might be also. All of which is just what is written, but men interpret by the flesh and not in spirit and in truth.

But if the spirit lives within us, why can't Jesus dwell in persons also since the spirit lives in our hearts? Christians don't walk alone notand are a mouthpiece for themselves because when the spirit enter us, Jesus not only begin to dwell in us but through his son Jesus we become a mouthpiece for God through his spirit also...

 

[farouk]

But if the spirit lives within us, why can't Jesus dwell in persons also since the spirit lives in our heart? Christians are not a mouthpiece for themselves because when the spirit enter us, Jesus not only dwell is us but through his son we become a mouthpiece for God through his spirit..

In Romans 8.9, the Holy Spirit is described as 'the Spirit of Christ'.

 

[Davy]

Romans 2:25-27
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

“if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?” ...how can the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law (being not circumcised) yet then counted as circumcision?

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm not Jewish. No need for your keeping the law speeches.

 

[Davy]

I never stated that the kingdom has come as of today; Christ was saying the kingdom had come unto Israel by his visitation. They rejected Jesus and the kingdom offer was withdrawn. The kingdom will be established in the future.

The position you've been pushing here is one of those who think to establish Christ's Kingdom here on earth today, during this flesh world time, and that so as to prepare it for Christ's return. If you were not aware of that position some Churches have today, then you are more deceived than I thought.

 

[Davy]

I thought that the Kingdom had come, it's been here for 2000 years, attacked by the weeds through out.
People have been born again now for 2000 years, but it will be established totally in the future, when the Works of Satan will be seen by all for what such truly is clearly. Saints be praised !

Christ's Kingdom has come today, in Spirit. That especially is what the Holy Spirit baptism is about.

Yet there also is a literal structure here too on earth today, just not the final one. There's still one sitting upon David's throne here on earth today.

 

[Davy]

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I'm sorry I kinda disagree..timing for things in our life has nothing to do with kingdom within. Jesus said that the wind blows where it will yet we do not know where it comes or goes, so to every man on this Earth, the holy spirit invites people everyday to let him in thier hearts..there is no timing for that, it's recognizing Jesus and his voice and if you don't hear his voice how can you notice the spirit come upon you when it does. It comes one place or person and goes to the next place or person and there's no timing for that because salvation is near and crouching at the door, the time is now this minute so the spirit and kingdom of God comes upon people everyday.. it's whether they believe or not that it is happening ..it's whether people recognize his voice..and it's weather people let the spirit in thier hearts..and Jesus said unless a man be born again, he can not enter the kingdom of God but only by which we let the holy spirit in first.... And once the spirit enters us so does the kingdom of and power of God...so it's happens everyday and has been happening since day one...the holy spirit connects us to God so he can work with us by being born again..only through the holy spirit we can reach Jesus and God.. and abide in him...and that's when his timing come for things in our life and circumstances now that we have become a child of God and cry out "Abba Father". ..and since God protects his children so after that..there's a time and season for every purpose under heaven....haha remember the lost sheep with the nighty nine parable..it's like that...well kinda..God's timing for us is only through our circumstances and situations in life ..it's in God's children own experiences that he appoints a time to reach them all...but since they are already born again the holy spirit confirms them saved already...the holy spirit is swaying everyday in every moment. and so is Jesus knocking on our door everyday....every second minute day or night a person has a chance to be born again...sometimes Jesus can't do everything for us though, sometimes we have to meet him halfway by abiding in his word and seeking him each day....

Yes, but a literal Kingdom on earth is promised for believers too. And lo, it doesn't involve a flesh body...

1 Cor 15:49-51
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
KJV

Simply then, if you're still in a flesh body, then that promised literal Kingdom in final has not manifested yet.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The position you've been pushing here is one of those who think to establish Christ's Kingdom here on earth today, during this flesh world time, and that so as to prepare it for Christ's return. If you were not aware of that position some Churches have today, then you are more deceived than I thought.

Had a pastor come to our home and invite us to a “kingdom now” study on how we bring the kingdom of God to earth. Don’t know about the study as my husband and I didn’t go after he kept boasting how anywhere he put his foot could be his...even our land if he wanted it. That is not what I’m asking about. But instead: Romans 2:27-28 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? [28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

That which is inward set over that which is outward as He said: 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Which (imo) addresses your mention of the Apostles rule over the tribes of Israel...which you push off into the way future reign of Christ which is today. 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Christ's Kingdom has come today, in Spirit.

exactly.


Romans 2:27-28 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? [28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[Davy]

That's why Jesus told the people that the kingdom of God had come upon them cause even though he was there as the chosen Son of God working there miracles, they didn't believe him cause they didn't know him or recognize him...etc they expected something different when in reality he was actually already there...etc. Luke 11:20

Right. And if they had received Him as The Messiah, then would His Kingdom have then literally manifested on earth per Scripture?

I say no, because He already knew they would reject Him, they had to to fulfill the prophecy, as it was not yet time for His literal Kingdom to manifest here on earth in THIS present world. Like He said, His Kingdom is not of 'this' world, otherwise His servants would have fought to prevent His crucifixion (John 18:36). It had to happen, otherwise there would be no offer of Salvation through His Blood on the cross.

 

[Davy]

Had a pastor come to our home and invite us to a “kingdom now” study on how we bring the kingdom of God to earth. Don’t know about the study as my husband and I didn’t go after he kept boasting how anywhere he put his foot could be his...even our land if he wanted it. That is not what I’m asking about. But instead: Romans 2:27-28 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? [28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

That which is inward set over that which is outward as He said: 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Which (imo) addresses your mention of the Apostles rule over the tribes of Israel...which you push off into the way future reign of Christ which is today. 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Some Churches are sending funds to the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem to help them rebuild their temple. A company in Tennessee named Jesus, Inc. was even sending the orthodox Jews red heifers for sacrifice back in the late 1990s. Those Churches claim to do that to help usher in the 2nd coming of our Lord Jesus. Thus they are actually supporting the return of the old covenant worship among the orthodox unbelieving Jews, to include animal sacrifices.

What you apparently don't understand is you are supporting Christ's enemies with that kind of belief of the Kingdom already fulfilled on earth today. It is here mainly in Spirit today, but not over all nations yet as God's Word has prophesied it will with Christ's literal return (Psalms 2; Revelation 19:11-21; Revelation 3:9).

Christ's enemies on earth today of the "synagogue of Satan", along with the deceived unbelieving Jews, are preparing today's world for the coming of a FALSE Messiah, not our Lord Jesus of Nazareth, but a fake in His place. That is to occur first... prior... to Christ's 2nd coming. Some so-called Christian Churches are sided with them, and support them. But those type of churches aren't real Christian Churches, they instead are beth-avens (houses of vanity). That is what the apostasy Paul warned about in 2 Thess.2 is about.

 

[ScottA]

But if the spirit lives within us, why can't Jesus dwell in persons also since the spirit lives in our hearts? Christians don't walk alone notand are a mouthpiece for themselves because when the spirit enter us, Jesus not only begin to dwell in us but through his son Jesus we become a mouthpiece for God through his spirit also...

That is true, and what Paul meant when he said, "those of us who are alive and remain (in the world)." "Then comes the end (of the world)."

 

[Helen]

Had a pastor come to our home and invite us to a “kingdom now” study on how we bring the kingdom of God to earth. Don’t know about the study as my husband and I didn’t go after he kept boasting how anywhere he put his foot could be his...even our land if he wanted it. That is not what I’m asking about. But instead: Romans 2:27-28 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? [28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

That which is inward set over that which is outward as He said: 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Which (imo) addresses your mention of the Apostles rule over the tribes of Israel...which you push off into the way future reign of Christ which is today. 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I believe it is both. Now and later.

The kingdom of God IS within us....and Luke 17 says -
20 "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation."

And on the flip side I believe He gave dominion to Adam..and we know that Adam dropped it! Jesus took it back at the temptation in the wilderness...Then he gave "all power" to the disciples ...in my book, 'the first Church'. We have His authority...we are ambassadors for Christ.

So I get where that Pastor was coming from. He may have spoiled the truth of it by a boastful spirit..but that doesn't take away from the truth of Kingdom now...and kingdom fully revealed later.

When we are taking authority over situations , be it praying for someones financial position to turn around, or praying for healing to manifest. Or binding demonic spirits in someone...it is all kingdom in action. ( so kingdom now)

Just my two cents

 

[Jennifer]

In Romans 8.9, the Holy Spirit is described as 'the Spirit of Christ'.

Yeah I know. That's Jesus living in us. Lol

 

[Jennifer]

Yes, but a literal Kingdom on earth is promised for believers too. And lo, it doesn't involve a flesh body...

1 Cor 15:49-51
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
KJV

Simply then, if you're still in a flesh body, then that promised literal Kingdom in final has not manifested yet.

But even Jesus said that if we eat of his flesh and drink his blood, he will abide in us and his father will love us like he loves the son and that they will make thier home with us. And since Jesus was the son of God born of God his flesh and body is made of the holy spirit, spirit and water..and if you combine water with the holy spirit who cleanses and purifies our soul you get a pure body with pure blood..and anyone who abides in Jesus must be holy too cause his flesh and blood is pure..being his body made of spirit and water..and the bible at the beginning says In the beginning was the word and the word became flesh which is Jesus which is what his made of, the truth..Jesus is the truth the way and the life so...his word gives us life cause his flesh is the word which gives us eternal life when we abide in it..in him..we're eating Jesus by feeding ourself with his words which his words are made of the holy spirit...divine and true..and a literal kingdom don't tell us much..that could mean anything..a person possessing the spirit of Christ can be a literal "kingdom" too if they are walking in Christ bringing souls into it...

 

[Jennifer]

That is true, and what Paul meant when he said, "those of us who are alive and remain (in the world)." "Then comes the end (of the world)."

Ok...

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus was saying the kingdom of God would not come with attentive watching.

This Scripture should not be misapplied. The unbelieving Jews were looking for a conquering Messiah who would drive out Rome. They were not looking for the spiritual and internal Kingdom of God within the children of God. And that is the application of this verse. But Jesus said that they would NOT see an external, visible, physical, tangible, material and spiritual Kingdom of God on earth at the first coming of Christ. Instead they would be dispersed from Israel for their unbelief.

However, that verse does not nullify the actual literal Kingdom of God on earth in the future, with Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. He will rule the nations with a rod of iron, and they will all be subject to Him.

 

[Nancy]

Doug's position is about the idea that Jesus' Kingdom has already come on earth today. There are some Churches that deny any literal future Kingdom by Christ, which is sad because God's Word reveals much about Christ's future literal Kingdom being established on a future earth in the physical sense. The real danger of their man-made doctrine about today being Christ's Kingdom already established in full, is how Satan's servants can then trick the deceived into accepting the things and ways of this... world today as Christ's Kingdom. Yet our Lord Jesus said His Kingdom was not of THIS world, meaning this present world time (John 18:36).




Our Lord Jesus was speaking of His 1st coming. They rejected Him, so His Kingdom of Israel was not then established. Yet per Acts 1 His Apostles knew it was prophesied to happen. And, since our Lord promised His 12 Apostles would each sit upon a throne judging the 12 tribes of Israel, we know the kingdom of Israel is to be established as His future Kingdom to come. Suggestions to the contrary have no Biblical foundation.



The meaning of Luke 10:10-11 is about presenting The Gospel and it being rejected. It did not mean Christ's Kingdom was then literally established in that time.



In the very next verses after Luke 19:11, Jesus gave His disciples a parable about Himself as a nobleman that went into a far country to receive a kingdom, and to return. He called his servants, gave them ten pounds and told to occupy until he returned. Then when he returned he discovered what servant was profitable with what he entrusted to them, and one was not. That is about Christ's future return to receive His Kingdom at His 2nd coming. So right there, with just a little bit more reading in Luke 19, we discover by our Lord's parable how He meant His Kingdom, and its timing. Basically it is this...

Those in Christ have the Promise of His Salvation, and thus His Kingdom is spiritually manifest here on earth through His servants, and they are to be stewards, bringing forth fruit in The Gospel. At His 2nd coming is when He will take David's throne and rule in His literal Kingdom here on earth, with His elect. That is when He will receive a report from His servant's work, like the parable He gave in Luke 19 shows.



In that Luke 17:24 passage, Jesus was talking about the day of His 2nd coming. He gave HOW He returns in contrast to false Christs some will say is Jesus. Our Lord said His coming will be like how lightning shines from one part of the sky across to the other part of the sky, easy to see. Every eye will see His 2nd coming He said in Rev.1. He was not saying to expect a visible kingdom with that idea. He was only giving a metaphor for how everyone will know His 2nd coming.



It's actually about more than that. His Church is there in Jerusalem on earth reigning with Him too. His Kingdom is the Kingdom of Israel. The name Israel God gave to Jacob represents The Gospel. It means to overcome with God's help. It's the salvation name that represents the Promise first given Abraham by Faith (Galatians 3; Romans 4).



No, Jesus is NOT... today in the midst of Israel by what God's Word is showing that you quoted. See Psalms 2. It is about Jesus literally... sitting over His Kingdom of Israel on earth in Jerusalem, upon Mount Zion, when He returns in the near future.

"On Earth as it is in Heaven..."