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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Doug, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. shnarkle

    shnarkle Well-Known Member

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    With so much underlining, bold black, bold red, etc. it's hard to tell what you're trying to emphasize. I find it quite interesting that Paul explicitly points out that it was not the law that was done away with at all, but the glory upon Moses' face. Note that it was the face of Moses that was covered, not the stone tablets. People very rarely seem to be able to notice that fact.
     
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    shnarkle Well-Known Member

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    What's the difference? Isn't it the translations that are the problem? Aren't you suggesting that the correct translation is "in the midst" rather than 'within'?
     
  3. VictoryinJesus

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    You are right as circumcision in the flesh doesn’t apply since I’m female. Unless I covert to Islam where the female is circumcised as well. Pretty young, I think.

    Don’t know...never knew my biological father. He died a couple of years before I found out his name.

    Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. [2] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise[3] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

    Children, obey your parents. Whose the parents? Do you think it is more profitable to Honour your Father in Heaven and the Mother of us all New Jerusalem or the other? Which comes with promise that it may be well with thee and thou may live long on the earth? How old was Christ when crucified? Yet His Life continues to multiply and increase.

    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    To men looking from the outside in what shame would Mary have endured in the crucifixion of her son which was called a drunk, a blasphemer, and a thief. He honored God the Father First. Mark 3:32-35 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. [33] And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? [34] And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! [35] For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

    That made Him perfect...not His biological father but obeying God the Father. About the rest of the nonsense of do I live in a house ...He said to use these things as “temporary” and of those things which are temporary makes no one perfect including circumcision in the flesh made by men. (All that done away with in Christ)
     
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  4. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    Some ppl see the Lord's Supper in John 6, but I don't...
     
  5. Jennifer

    Jennifer Active Member

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    But whether one marries or not, at the end of the day since God said "Man shall not be alone" by taking out Adams rib and creating the woman Eve for Adam (the old covenant), if two people are meant to be together God will place them on paths where they will meet one another to be together...you may not believe in soul mates but I believe if there's a compatibility somewhere on this planet, soul mates have every right to reconnect to one another...it's God who puts things together, not people....
     
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    Marriage in the Lord is important also...
     
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    Marriage in the Lord is important also...
     
  8. Jennifer

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    Who is getting married though? Why is this even a subject in this thread?
     
  9. shnarkle

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    No. Circumcision doesn't apply because you are advocating lawlessness. You are explicitly claiming that the law is inapplicable because one is operating on a spiritual level. This is patently false as the spirit does not lead one to sin or transgress any of God's commandments.

    We have one father in heaven, why should anyone honor their biological father? By your logic, they shouldn't.
    And has already been pointed out by Paul himself, circumcision if beneficial if one keep God's commandments. You deny that, and I have just pointed out that by your logic, you are attempting to justify your behavior by honoring your parents. You needn't quote Paul as he also knows that the covenant itself promises blessings to anyone who keeps God commandments, and curses to those who don't. You aren't advancing your argument.
    You're back peddling now. You aren't addressing my point.
    I see. So you are advocating for dishonoring one's parents then? Fair enough. I see now that you're consistent in your argument.
    Circumcision is temporary as well. So what? This is also irrelevant.
    Again, you're ignoring my argument altogether. This is still a Strawman argument because I'm not suggesting that keeping the law makes anyone perfect to begin with. Getting married, refraining from fornication, lying, theft, murder, etc. does not justify anyone. Do you then believe that since keeping any of those laws will never make you perfect, they are done away with as well? Are Christians now free to sin with impunity? Can Christians now murder, steal, engage in deceit, fornication, etc. because they are no longer sinful? This is you argument. You have a double standard, and you aren't addressing that fact.
     
  10. VictoryinJesus

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    advocating the righteous fulfillment of the command as being the operation of God in the putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ ; which is enough and lacks nothing. And is not advocating lawlessness. <does this circumcision lack anything?

    Advocating Honour The Father which is in heaven and the Mother of us all New Jerusalem...also is not lawlessness.

    Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual...Galatians 6:13-16
    For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. [14] But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. [15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. [16] And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

    only change you offer there is circumcision of the putting off of the body of sins by the circumcision of Christ made without hands PLUS circumcision in the flesh ...whereby you accuse a sister as practicing lawlessness based off the second and not the First.
     
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    no but it seems man tends to glory in keeping “thou shall not murder” yet then turns right around and (slays)murders or wounds(fatally) a brother or sister spiritually thereby deceived there is no greater trespass than what is seen of men when God judges the Heart.
     
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    You might want to read these scriptures. Ephesians 6:4 1 John 3:1 Proverbs 22:6. Matthew 19:14. Proverbs 23:13-14 Colossians 3:20. I hate when parents always think they have authority over thier kids just because they bought them in this world and always have to have thier say when it comes to thier children cause they are older etc. I think that's just an excuse to control a child and get away with it, but if you read those bible verses I put there above you will see it works both ways but what people probably don't think about is parents are God's children too and they are as much as responsible for thier actions as much as thier children. Parents may have a say about thier children for being the parent but the reality is in God's eyes we are all his children and we all must obey the Lord whether parent or child because he has full authority over everyone and everything on this earth....and of course if the parents has a bad influence, it will effect thier children also....so
     
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    Good point. Correction received. Thank you. In reading on Ephesians 6:6-7 stands out “Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; [7] With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:” similar to Colossians 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

    Skimmed the other verses you recommended but will read them more intently later tonight.
     
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    Accusing one of attempting to justify their righteousness by fulfilling a commandment, and then pretending that keeping others is hypocrisy as well. This is EXACTLY what Paul is talking about. Yes, justifying violating God's commandments is lawlessness. Pretending that this is somehow operating by the Spirit is tantamount to blasphemy. The Spirit doesn't lead anyone to transgress God's law. The idea is ridiculous. Quoting scripture won't change that fact.
     
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    But nothing. Paul makes the exact same point in Romans. You want to talk about being led by the Spirit, and then Paul would make the same point by asking, "do you then keep the Sabbath?" "Do you borrow money at interest?"; "Do you eat garbage?" If you transgress any of God's laws, you transgress them all. Do you really want to boast of the Sprit, and then proceed to justify transgressing the laws that can only be kept by the Spirit? Paul can only say the same thing he says in Romans. There is no difference.
     
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    Ok thanks..and sure youre welcome..
     
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    ...dunno...o_O
     
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    Great verses there; in the end the believer's service must be Godward...
     
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    Paul also uses the term 'the circumcision' as a reference to Jewish people generally, and by extension the doctrine of law-keeping.
     
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    Huh? Thats odd. LOL but hey look at the scriptures here. They seem more likely to describe the last supper then the one you posted in that quote. Luke 22:19 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 breaking-Bread.jpg lastsupper1.jpg then this one, but isn't it eerily unique this famous last supper picture below seems more like the wedding feast then the other two above? ha. Matthew 19:28 263053-the-last-supper_large.jpg you know what that looks like, if you read Matthew 19:28 Revelation 19:7, it looks like Jesus and his disciples with "the disciple Jesus loved" which could be his " bride" cause look on the right side of him, there's a woman ..lol
     
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