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Featured Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?

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  1. Heavenbound

    Heavenbound Member

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    You pompous WINDBAG take the log out of your eye before I’m tempted to do it for you
    Im a Christian and there for
    Can’t call you what I want
    Or I’d call you a pompous old fart
    Wait I did that
    Well truth needs to come off her holiday
    Yes a pompous old fart who comes on here and tells everybody what truth is according to you Like you b the prophet
    And I’m gonna tell u to shove yer fellow pompous fart Stan up yer nose
    And go read yer bible to the birds
    Cause the birds is the only creature who’d listen to two old pompous windbags who think their right
    And are so wrong their stink spreads like a cancer
    Go blow your old wind somewhere else cause I’m about sick of yer stink!
     
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    O thou righteous one Enoch is it? We all know you be the final word on all things spiritual. Eh? Ain’t that right Enoch?
    want me to genuflect?

    And pompous windbag Stan comes on here and declares that unless you believe as Stan the man then you be a heretic

    now by what authority do ye speak this declaration Stan?

    you know what I see? I see two pompous windbags who think they serving God but they serving the devil

    Christianity a mess cause old pompous windbags think they Gods right hand man

    Jesus was humble huh?

    What’d he say about sitting in the important places?
     
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    Where have we seen Gods love here? where?

    hey Stan I don’t see love come outta yo only judgement
    And we be told to genuflect when Enoch enter the room
    Callous Condescending condemnation
    Stick yer nose up any higher yer
    Gonna catch flies
    Now if yo momma never told ya to be nice the chore falls to me
    So do itgfx
     
  4. Truther

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    I never heard of “being in the name of Jesus”.

    Also, where 2 or 3 are gathered together implies saved saints gathering together.

    Remission of sins is caused by water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, not by gathering together.

    Even praying in the name of Jesus does not remit sins, but invoking His name during immersion in water does.
     
  5. amadeus

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    What do they mean in the OT when they say things like what David said here?

    "Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied." I Sam 17:45

    Did not ministers, priests and prophets frequently come in the name of the Lord, or speak in His name in the OT? Were they perhaps "in His name" then?

    But is it not important to have Jesus in our midst? When we gather together to worship God and to pray is it not better to be "in His name" than not? The boy scouts might gather together and have a good time and yet Not be gathered "in the name of the Lord", ...right? Even three who had received the baptism of the Holy Ghost could gather together to watch a game on television and not be "in the His name",... right?

    I was hopeful that you could answer me simply from what you have read in the Bible or even heard from preachers. Mostly in scripture it speaks of "in the name of the Lord" without spelling out the name, Jesus. One example is here:

    "The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it and is safe." Prov 18:10

    Can we not now run into the "name of the Lord" meaning Jesus? Solomon wrote those words about a thousand years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem so what do you make of that? Did he mean that men would be able to do that a thousand years from when he wrote but not at the time he wrote?

    And what about this verse:

    "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." John 17:12

    Jesus kept them in God's name before he was crucified and resurrected and before the Holy Ghost was poured out on the day of Pentecost as per Acts 2. So what was new on Pentecost?
     
  6. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    FYI....isn't this being judgmental?
     
  7. Truther

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    Pentecost became the litmus test of all Christianity. They were told to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
    The following chapters confirm this.
    All baptisms we’re always and only done in the name of Jesus Christ since Pentecost.

    Also, anyone coming in anyone’s name must say the name they are coming in.
     
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    FYI aren't you being judgmental?
     
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    Matthew 23:23

    “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier mattersof the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”
     
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    You're just as bad too - you have to come in like an annoying mosquito to make things worse. Why don't you just LEAVE IT ALONE?

    I'm disgusted on this board and with the so-called "Christians" who ignore the weightier matters of the law. I saw way too much through my years of walking with God. No wonder people don't want Christianity.
     
  11. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Be at peace...I am not attacking anyone...I was kindly addressing how many times I read a post that suggests who or who is not a Christian....this is judging....and if the person is able to see this error within their own selves then they have gained much wisdom in the matter.
    I rebuke any words of spite or criticism you have spoken over myself or others here and declare that they will not take root and manifest in any way, in Jesus Name.
    I pray God will give you joy and peace and wisdom to walk in His ways and be a good witness for others.
    God Bless and have a nice day.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Since I presented it as a question, I am giving them opportunity to answer and present their intended meaning of what they were saying
    So no I wasn't judging....seeking clarification as to whether or not they considered it as such.
     
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    I am not arguing these points with you. I was baptized in water in Jesus name in 1976 at a UPC in California. Rather I was asking about other things in scriptures which should be connected. Are you able to answer and make the connections?
     
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    Sure...ask on. I wanted to make sure you understood the foundation first. Thanks
     
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    Unfortunately there is truth in the words of Mahatma Ghandi, a non-Christian:


    “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

    But take people one at the time and if there is hanging that needs to be done, let them hang themselves.
     
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    Tithing is not a N.T. doctrine.
     
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    The foundation is cited here:

    "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." I Cor 3:11

    My point and/or question was that as a person goes down in the water of baptism, what do the words recited over him matter if he really has not repented?

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38

    Without the repentance, baptism is nothing. Now again if person has received the gift of the Holy Ghost, he is able to walk
    "in the Spirit". He is able to get into the name as David did. Do you see a difference between what David had and what we have?


    "Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy Holy Spirit from me." Ps 51:11
     
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    Great question.
    But to answer, I ask a question.....
    What is an unrepented sinner doing in the water being baptized?
    Was the person paid?
    I never saw that before.
    I have seen uncommitted types, but not unrepented.
     
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    IMHO....doesn't it all boil down to the covenant God made with Abraham? An everlasting covenant?
    verses pertaining to it...
    21 Bible verses about Abrahamic Covenant
    Here are some of those verses....

    Amos 9:14
    Verse Concepts
    "Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit.

    Acts 1:6-7
    So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, "Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

    Acts 3:19-21
    "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

    Acts 15:14-17
    "Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,read more.
    Romans 11:1-32
    I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."read more.
    Hebrews 11:8-10
    By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

    Revelation 7:4
    Verse Concepts
    And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
     
  20. Truther

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    Our God is a promise keeper.
    He will most certainly return before national Israel and save them all from the least to the greatest.
    It is impossible for our God to lie to the fathers.
     
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