IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[Taken]

Exactly.
And I will add that the ones taken and those left behind are in the setting ,and timing , and declaration of Jesus, is BEFORE THE FLOOD.

What a postrib rapture doctrine catastrophe.
Literal train wreck.

Expounding;

Before the Trib. Men who ( were not Confessed Believers IN Christ )…and bodily Died… God Saves their Soul.

During the Trib…
There Shall be men coming INTO Belief…
There ARE manKIND bodily Dying…
IF … IN their heart… (Before they Bodily Die)…THEY Believe IN God, IN Jesus …

God Shall Save their Soul, bring upward to Heaven their living, saved, Departed Soul.

1 Thes. 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Jesus saves True Confessed Believers.
And raises them (body, soul, spirit) to the Clouds.

God Saves UnConfessed True Believers.
And raises their saved souls to Heaven,


During the Trib God Shall Save them
Rev 7:
[13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


and Raise their soul up to Heaven…their body shall be raised in Glory ; First Resurrection.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@rebuilder 454

Some men are either ignorant (not Knowing);
Or Do Not Actually Read for themselves… Gods Word.

God the Father and Lord God the Son…
Are exclusively the Savior of mens souls.

A soul is (via Conditions) Promised to BE Saved… and IS Saved (per the Condition), including the “condition”…
After a bodily Death.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454

Some men are either ignorant (not Knowing);
Or Do Not Actually Read for themselves… Gods Word.

God the Father and Lord God the Son…
Are exclusively the Savior of mens souls.

A soul is (via Conditions) Promised to BE Saved… and IS Saved (per the Condition), including the “condition”…
After a bodily Death.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yeah, some guy in another thread got all offended when I told him psalm 91 has 3 conditions.
Amazing how a simple factual comment causes a man to get mad and go against the bible.

 

[Taken]

IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

Yes

 

[David in NJ]

IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

Yes

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

 

[MatthewG]

Just read all the Revelation to yourself. Out loud. I've done it several times in my lifetime.

 

[amigo de christo]

IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

Yes

Is the rapture BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD , YES .
but friend we are appointed unto tribulation . SO we had better honestly be prepared to even die for the LORD .
By grace i see what is coming . A massive tribulation against the true sheep
in ALL socities , TO INCLUDE and not exclude EVEN THE WESTERN ONES .
This love god so many in christendom have fallen madly in love with
WILL SOON declare war on the true sheep .
SO my advice stands . EVERYONE who names the NAME OF JESUS
TIME TO DEPART this ecumincal WHORE and her merger .
FOR GOD will also JUDGE HER TOO . and FAR better is it to suffer and even die at the hands
of its men
THAN TO FACE THE WRATH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and OF THE LAMB.
HE WILL DESTROY THE WHORE and her children will wail an wail and wail and then wail and wail and wail .

 

[amigo de christo]

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

Paul knew as did they all my friend . The man suffered as did many others .
And he flat out told them
We are appointed unto tribulations .
And friend , as i know you know , In large much of western socities christains
have not seen tribulations such as have others .
THAT ABOUT TO CHANGE . THE WHORE gonna declare WAR
the BEAST will make all out war against the true sheep and the tribulation hour WILL HIT A FAST ALL OUT PEAK .
Yes . not what most want to hear .
BUT what i say to you i say to all , FOLKS better be ready and even prepared to BLEED FOR JESUS .
cause that time is approaching EVEN IN THE WESTERN SOCITIES . And those who followed this love god
this god that denied THE DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS but merged them with false religions
IT WILL convince them all , THE TIME TO RID THIS EARTH of thse non conforming haters HAS COME .
and many who appear in wool , WILL even Beleive they do the will of GOD when true sheep LIKE US
are rounded up , betrayed and even many killed .

 

[amigo de christo]

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

look around at even some of these faces on this very site .
Then go down and look at faces in churches
THE TIME IS COMING when even they will call for our blood . I know folks have a serious problem
believing this will happen or even can happen .
GUESS they forgot the crusades
GUESS they forgot how when the churches got tied into state
IT LED TO BLOOD .
AND GUESS what ITS PEAKING ALL OVER AGAIN
they have TIED churches right back into the state
THEY have created a WORLD religoin tied RIGHT INTO The one world govt .
BLOOD is coming against the sheep david .
One thing i know
ANYTIME folks tried to merge state and church , COMPROMISED ALWAYS THEY DID
and blood did ensue . THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT my friend .
THE only difference will be , THE SHEER number of sheep killed so fast and so quick . ITS GONNA PEAK david .

 

[amigo de christo]

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

These sold out ecumenical lovers
have no idea that soon they will encourage the d eath of the true sheep .
Cause they already starting to see us as extremists , as haters , even dangerous and a threat to global peace and stablity .
OH its gonna peak david . OUR LORD IS WITH US , CONFORM NOT , TO HE BE THE GLORY no matter the cost .
THE LORD GOD IS OUR HELPER , HE is with us through it all . FORWARD march .
THIS sheep DONT compromise with THE HARLOT . i expose that WHORE .

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Just read all the Revelation to yourself. Out loud. I've done it several times in my lifetime.

Just imagine The Power Of The Holy Spirit Guiding you when read All The Other 65 Books
several times in the rest of your lifetime, eh?

Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just imagine The Power Of The Holy Spirit Guiding you when read All The Other 65 Books
several times in the rest of your lifetime, eh?

Amen.

Give me an E
Give me an X
Give me an A
Give me a C
Give me a T
Give me a L
and Give me a Y . EXACTLY . its BIBLE feasting time in the building . THE SPIRIT surely can teach us
WHAT THE SPIRIT ITSELF INSPIRED . Now to the trenches one and to the trenches all .

 

[MatthewG]

Just imagine The Power Of The Holy Spirit Guiding you when read All The Other 65 Books
several times in the rest of your lifetime, eh?

Amen.

Even if I fall short, can't the Spirit of Christ within still guide me toward kindness, honesty, and transparency? Sometimes my human nature shows through—and that's okay. I actually appreciate those moments, because they reveal a glimpse of my true self beyond the Christ-like ideal. That rawness is part of being authentic.

And I hate facades, but I'm good at pretending too.


Oh and while God is faithful all the time. Am I always faithful? Truth is no. Not always.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus made himself of no reputation.

My reputation is seen in both good and negative lights.

I dont care about my reputation all that much, cause I know how to perform task for money. IF you need someone to work for you, you dont go on their reputation, you go on if they gonna be there to do the work for you or not.

I definitely put the work in for God I was doing on hold, indefinitely? Idk, I am in recovery again sick and tired of messing up my life, but hey, it was me who did it. not the devil... - rolls eyes - .

 

[Taken]

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

Hi ya D-

Tribulations I agree began pretty quickly…and today is insane.

However I believe there are only Two Great Tribulations sent down from heaven intended to cause great chaos…
One has passed another much worse is coming.

 

[Taken]

Is the rapture BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD , YES .
but friend we are appointed unto tribulation .

Uh huh…I see the news videos and demon possessed idiots causing Tribulations daily.

While some are tragic… ain't nothing compared to what God shall allow to be sent down from heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

Hi ya D-

Tribulations I agree began pretty quickly…and today is insane.

However I believe there are only Two Great Tribulations sent down from heaven intended to cause great chaos…
One has passed another much worse is coming.

i AGREE my Brother

 

[amigo de christo]

i AGREE my Brother

Todays evanglisim truly stinks david .
This church age has bought into the seeker friendly death sentence and rick warren death evanglism .
They dont even try and preach JESUS to the lost .
Acting like we just need to get along , find common ground .
Acting like we got plenty of time left .
But here is the thing . I bet dollars charlie kirk did not know his time was up .
I bet many have died unexpectedly .
SO I SAY PREACH JESUS NOW and do not wait for another day .
Because today could be the last day of a lost man .
DID we point to JESUS or did we try and silence the words and get along .
Not good david .
I know people no longer want to believe this
but true it is . If an atheist dies an athiest , HE WONT LIKE HIS END
and the same goes for any other religoin.
SO rather than trying to find common ground for anti christ world peace with false religions
I SAY we ought be preaching JESUS and the dire need to REPENT to THEM false religoins .
But hey , that is me , i am but hater to this generation of sold out ecumincal harlotry

 

[KUWN]

The TRIBULATION began in Genesis

No, Christ mentioned it was still future from his day. The only way of coming up with the correct answer is to do a Systematic Study of The Tribulation. Christ has much to say about The Tribulation. Just because you see the word "tribulation" don't assume that all the references of this word are part of the special time of God's fulfilling prophecy.

I know of no scholar who holds to the view you are espousing. Can you list a few scholars that teach this view?

 

[David in NJ]

No, Christ mentioned it was still future from his day. The only way of coming up with the correct answer is to do a Systematic Study of The Tribulation. Christ has much to say about The Tribulation. Just because you see the word "tribulation" don't assume that all the references of this word are part of the special time of God's fulfilling prophecy.

I know of no scholar who holds to the view you are espousing. Can you list a few scholars that teach this view?

This is the BIG MISTAKE that pre-trib must adhere to = "the trib is the wrath of God"

The tribulation began in Genesis, in the Garden.
Satan brought on the Tribulation
Satan is the god of this Age/world and he is responsible for the Great Tribulation = Revelation 12:7-12

Satan's wrath will soon bring on the Great Tribulation.

Once that is accomplished, the LORD Returns and brings the Wrath of God down upon all who joined in the Rebellion of 2 Thess ch2

READ the TRUTH = BELIEVE JESUS
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!
For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”