Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

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I wouldn't give Acta Pilati too much credence unless you also want to believe Satan was bound in Hades.

I also wouldn't equate Jesus with the Waters of Life.

I doubt you could produce credible evidence of a solar eclipse.

Crucifixion darkness - Wikipedia

The Gospel of Luke account states "and the sun was darkened". However, the biblical details do not accord with an eclipse: a solar eclipse could not have occurred on or near the Passover, when Jesus was crucified, and would have been too brief to account for three hours of darkness. The maximum possible duration of a total solar eclipse is seven minutes and 31.1 seconds. The only total eclipse visible in Jerusalem in this era occurred late in the year AD 29, on 24 November at 11:05 AM. Around the Sea of Galilee, it would have been visible for just one minute and forty-nine seconds.
Yeah if it were a typical predicted eclipse. So your point? So let's see, you take Wikipedia's word for it and not the scriptures and yet you are arguing with me about what is and is not in the scriptures? IRONIC! Satan is not chained in hell knowledge but wikipedia is a reliable source concerning things that it and its contributors were not eyewitness to. So according to you I should take their word for it and not an eyewitness' account like Pontius Pilot's and the apostles? And you have the never to speak upon spiritual matters? :rolleyes:
 

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I agree.

I wanted to tell you that I did speak to the friar I told you about...
Re levitiation: He said it could be caused by God or satan.
Interesting. I don't know I'd chalk it up to Satan myself. I would say there are some people who start off fine and things begin to change for them; then they veer off the correct path into what I'd call black magic. I doubt, really I do, that Satan has much to do with it since man's mind can deceive itself on its own. People often imagine Satan being behind so many things; I don't see it that way. Much of the time, if he's doing anything at all, it's watching with amusement. Yes, I know the Bible says he's going about like a lion looking for people to devour; but he's already got a lot of people. Satan focuses more on people who pose a threat to his rule.

Re Joachim of Fiore. He said that the idea of a perfect humanity did float around, but it was never taught by the church...much like limbo. (no such place).
I read that Thomas Aquinas helped put that idea down -- but I don't know for sure.
 

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I would call your redefining words dishonest. Sin is breaking the law.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

It was a sin. Now you say things were changed.
You speak upon LAW when you do not even believe in scriptural authority? IRONIC!
 

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Yeah if it were a typical predicted eclipse. So your point? So let's see, you take Wikipedia's word for it and not the scriptures and yet you are arguing with me about what is and is not in the scriptures? IRONIC!
The Bible does not say there was an eclipse. That's only what you think it means.

No eclipse lasts that long first of all; and secondly, yes, eclipses can be predicted. They don't happen randomly.

You are missing the doctrine in the passage. Solar eclipses don't teach us doctrine.
 

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You speak upon LAW when you do not even believe in scriptural authority? IRONIC!
What are you talking about now? Why would I cite the Scriptures if I didn't believe in them? Have you nothing better to say? Is insulting me the best you can do? Try harder, sir.
 

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Interesting. I don't know I'd chalk it up to Satan myself. I would say there are some people who start off fine and things begin to change for them; then they veer off the correct path into what I'd call black magic. I doubt, really I do, that Satan has much to do with it since man's mind can deceive itself on its own. People often imagine Satan being behind so many things; I don't see it that way. Much of the time, if he's doing anything at all, it's watching with amusement. Yes, I know the Bible says he's going about like a lion looking for people to devour; but he's already got a lot of people. Satan focuses more on people who pose a threat to his rule.

I read that Thomas Aquinas helped put that idea down -- but I don't know for sure.
You who denies satan is chained in hell's knowledge is speaking about what you know about satan? You do beat all in hypocrisy .
 

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Hello Willie,

Your 'belief' that Catholicism is 'just another denomination' is immaterial to the truth or falsehood of that statement.


They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!
It's funny, Rev.19 celebrates the fall of Mystery Babylon and its Whore, cannot come to that"wedding feast" at your denomination when it falls. The hallelujah is in that and then is the wedding feast of the Lamb, Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb.
 

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You who denies satan is chained in hell's knowledge is speaking about what you know about satan? You do beat all in hypocrisy .
I do deny it. You have swallowed a fable invented by the spiritually blind; and your unkind words reveal what spirit guides you.

Satan is still "in the air" where he is prince. He will be cast down later.

1 Corinthians 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
 

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So let’s stop tap dancing BOL...are all these Christians here, just pretending? Are they taking the Eucharist improperly and therefore doomed? And if so in your mind, why do you care what they say about Catholicism? Why are you Hellbent on molesting the Goats?

“Smithers! release the hounds”
There is definitely salvation outside of all denominations, just not outside of Christ.
 

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Why because you believe all scripture says?
I certainly believe what Paul wrote was sound advice, that bishops should have wives.

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

The Catholic Church can keep ordaining gay men and single heterosexuals and hoping they don't succumb to temptation; but I don't find that a reasonable expectation. History shows it hasn't worked.
 

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There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and that's a fact.

The Roman Catholic Church is corrupted and so are all other denominations.

The understanding of what the word Catholic truly means is what it's all about and all protestant Churches claim to be a Catholic Church and if they did not make such a claim, they would be seen as fools.

The word Catholic means Universal but I means much more than just that, you can find out what it is meant by such if you look into the RCC before Vatican II started to bastardised the real Church, there was always Satanist within just as it is with any Church, but you can find if you bother to seek. mainly you can find info in old books, new books are rubbish and lack any true depth worth a cracker.

The RCC under Pope Frances is just freemasonry and Socialism raped up in Political Correctness that was created by the Talmud whore and their Zionist lap dogs, such a bastardry got a foot hold in the top ranks when Hitler came to power, not to mention that bastards got a foot hold through out the history of the RCC and you can see why it's a fact if you bother to look into it all.
Not to mention that no Church organisation is immune to such corruption.

I agree with Taken post no 9 about what the Church is.
The Whore is not the beast system but an assembly which has been adulterous toward Christ. And since the RCC is the LARGEST assembly it is the "Mother of all Whores" with that said as you said all the denominations have whore doctrine in them. But the last and final assembly will not.
 

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No. You are not my enemy. And I am serving Christ by calling you to come out of that union of church and state because I believe you are His. But you are in danger of being caught up in the judgement.. Everything that we cleave that is corrupt or diseased will be destroyed and of we don't let it go, we along with it.

Those who try to push other denominations away from God will only succeed in removing themselves from God. Reconcile yourself with Him; it's important to your salvation.
 

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Isaiah fills in the blanks that the apostles selectively chose to leave out. This is without a doubt about Christ and the mountains breaking forth in song(The earth quake which shook the mount of Golgotha and the region, and the trees clapping their hands AT CHIRST'S COMPLETED WORK ON THE CROSS, and His word going forth like rain and snow upon all.

Only a heretic would deny this. The free gift of salvation is given ONLY by Christ. That free gift is the ransom for all (COME WITHOUT MONEY means just that and deeper still- without any personal merit . We are bought and paid for on the CROSS. BOL is a heretic to deny this. And all who believe Him too are as such. That according to their denial of this GREAT PROPHETS WORDS . I am right about the rain. The apostles deliberately with held that because Christ knew the wolves and weeds are to be called out in this end of Days. Where it is not said in one part of scripture it is said else where;)
That is called a GOD wink's moment, an AHA! GOTCHA ! Simply catching those little foxes which run amuck in the vineyard.

Clearly Pontius Pilot saw what he saw and what the apostles chose not to tell is within the PROPHET Isaiah's writings. The spirit of Christ within me lead with what He did to show you all as not approved=NOT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Your word's are not governed by the Spirit of Christ but rather the precepts of men. MANY , MANY whores in here . The Spirit in me knew you would discredit an eyewitness' account but uphold a dictionary. He knew the whores would speak against a PROPHET who upheld my CLAIMS. I want to thank all of you for being what you are and allowing me to publish this dialogue which reveals the heretics of the RCC and other denominations. Lord Jesus may your TWO Witnesses testify against these assemblies soon, Not according to my will BUT YOURS. Isaiah 55:
Invitation to the Needy

1“Come, all you who are thirsty,

come to the waters;

and you without money,

come, buy, and eat!

Come, buy wine and milk,

without money and without cost!

2Why spend money on that which is not bread,

and your labor on that which does not satisfy?

Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,

and your soul will delight in the richest of foods.

3Incline your ear and come to Me;

listen, so that your soul may live.

I will make with you an everlasting covenant—

My loving devotion assured to David.

4Behold, I have made him a witness to the nations,

a leader and commander of the peoples.

5Surely you will summon a nation you do not know,

and nations who do not know you will run to you.

For the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel,

has bestowed glory on you.”

6Seek the LORD while He may be found;

call on Him while He is near.

7Let the wicked man forsake his own way

and the unrighteous man his own thoughts;

let him return to the LORD,

that He may have compassion,

and to our God,

for He will freely pardon.

8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,

neither are your ways My ways,”

declares the LORD.

9“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

so My ways are higher than your ways

and My thoughts than your thoughts.

10For just as rain and snow fall from heaven

and do not return without watering the earth,

making it bud and sprout,

and providing seed to sow and food to eat,

11so My word that proceeds from My mouth

will not return to Me empty,

but it will accomplish what I please,

and it will prosper where I send it.

12You will indeed go out with joy

and be led forth in peace;

the mountains and hills will burst into song before you,

and all the trees of the field will clap their hands.

13Instead of the thornbush, a cypress will grow,

and instead of the brier, a myrtle will spring up;

they will make a name for the LORD

as an everlasting sign, never to be destroyed.”
Christ's act upon the CROSS is an everlasting SIGN never to be destroyed, no matter what anyone says .
 
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I would like to personally thank BOL for saying I called babies non persons. This unpleasant man took that from me saying babies are one with their mothers in the womb, (Just as Christ was with Mary, her breath was His).This he gathered and twisted, because I said the intellect of an infant or fetus is not developed, so he clearly denies medical fact. Not too intelligent. Children are entrusted to parents and have complete trust that they will be taken of , just as Christ trusted His chosen parents. When that trust is betrayed , that Woe is upon the heads of those who have done such an act. Only an evil person would slander and twist the words of a child of God. That is EXACTLY what BOL did. 'And there is nothing new under the sun" "what they have done to me , they will do to you as well." Thank you Jesus for making me a partaker in your suffering, I know I am truly blessed.
 

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Hello CP,
The wedding feast is NOW. Enter in before the doors are shut...

Peace be with you!
I participate EVERYDAY. That is not what I am talking about . Rev.19 has not happened yet, but is soon to. The House of God will be in its completion. That is when the End Time Holy Immaculate Bride will be given her time- with the House in heaven and the Fullness of Jew and gentile is complete. many are going to perish in what is coming.
 

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One should always be careful about inserting new doctrines into scripture. You're overthinking all of this.

You only need to come to Him without any preconditions.

Matthew18:3 And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

It's not secret wisdom; it's an open invitation; you can come in, or you can stay outside. Those are the choices.
 
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Sure it is secret Wisdom. It is revealed first to the servants of God . When it is at the door it is revealed to the rest. What is coming will not be avoided and pushed off.
Amos3:6-8

…6If a ram’s horn sounds in a city, will the people not tremble? If calamity comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? 7Surely the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets. 8The lion has roared—who will not fear? The Lord GOD has spoken—who will not prophesy?…

But in Christ I am greater than a servant I am His friend.

John 15:15
No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you.