So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
If Muslims are right, then the Lord Jesus Christ who gives eternal life is the biggest liar and deceiver of all time. What is Truth?Jag
So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
If Muslims are right, then the Lord Jesus Christ who gives eternal life is the biggest liar and deceiver of all time. What is Truth?Jag
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
If Muslims are right, then the Lord Jesus Christ who gives eternal life is the biggest liar and deceiver of all time. What is Truth?Jag
:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
.Thanks,Ricky W.Wallaahu a'lam.
If Muslims are right, then the Lord Jesus Christ who gives eternal life is the biggest liar and deceiver of all time. What is Truth?Jag
:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
(Ricky W;32451)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
.Thanks,Ricky W.Wallaahu a'lam.
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path. .......Whirlwind
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path. .......Whirlwind
(Whirlwind;32508)
(Rick W)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
.Thanks,Ricky W.Wallaahu a'lam.
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path........WhirlwindI agree with you Whirlwind 100%. The Word came first and the Truth also came first.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(Rick W)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim:naughty: If Islam true, then Islam placing Jesus(pbuh) to the place he should. How you can thought it was Jesus (pbuh) be the deceiver and the biggest liar ? I will say that because you are thingking that those bible writings were came from Jesus(pbuh). Guest what ? Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it. So Islam doesn't considered Jesus(pbuh) to be the one that you are wrong thought above, but the author and someone who has canonize the bible are the biggest liar and deceiver, NOT JESUS(pbuh). So i do hope you clear up your mind regarding on your statement above
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path........WhirlwindI agree with you Whirlwind 100%. The Word came first and the Truth also came first.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(whirlwind)
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path. .......Whirlwind
Dear Whirlwind,I do hope you can see how I stand regarding on my statement. I was denied on Jordan of what he was accused regarding on Islamic view regarding on Jesus(pbuh).Now let's continue with others of your argument shall we.("Whirlwind")
He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word.
1st. If my arguments is wrong, now could tell me, how come the Catholic Bible with Protestant Bible were different ? As we know as well, Catholic was more longer exist before Protestant. As a matter a fact, what was canonize was still hold by Catholic. Meanwhile Protestant has dumb some of it, in about 15 century.If that not showing you there are some one who has altered the Bible, then what else do you call it ?2nd. If your Bible were indeed canonize inspired by God, of course God would not give several time to canonize it, right ? Or is it wrong ? If that considered true, then how come so many canonize of Bible that has been done, in the early christian church ?Seek for your self and please do hesitate to read in this link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Canon/And please read this one, at least to gain your knowledge if you don't want to corrupt your faith. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Tex.../lostbooks.htmlRegards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word. Islam is wrong on this and other very, very, important facts....someone's mind does need to be cleared on many things. My suggestion to you would be not to attempt to tell us our Bible isn't Divinely inspired but to actually read IT and ask our Father for understanding for without that "eye to see" and "ear to hear" you will continue on your current path. .......Whirlwind
Dear Whirlwind,I do hope you can see how I stand regarding on my statement. I was denied on Jordan of what he was accused regarding on Islamic view regarding on Jesus(pbuh).Now let's continue with others of your argument shall we.("Whirlwind")
He was the Word, He is the Word. The Bible is His inspired Word.
1st. If my arguments is wrong, now could tell me, how come the Catholic Bible with Protestant Bible were different ? As we know as well, Catholic was more longer exist before Protestant. As a matter a fact, what was canonize was still hold by Catholic. Meanwhile Protestant has dumb some of it, in about 15 century.If that not showing you there are some one who has altered the Bible, then what else do you call it ?2nd. If your Bible were indeed canonize inspired by God, of course God would not give several time to canonize it, right ? Or is it wrong ? If that considered true, then how come so many canonize of Bible that has been done, in the early christian church ?Seek for your self and please do hesitate to read in this link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Canon/And please read this one, at least to gain your knowledge if you don't want to corrupt your faith. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Tex.../lostbooks.htmlRegards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
(Ricky W;32517)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Whirlwind,I do hope you can see how I stand regarding on my statement. I was denied on Jordan of what he was accused regarding on Islamic view regarding on Jesus(pbuh).Now let's continue with others of your argument shall we.1st. If my arguments is wrong, now could tell me, how come the Catholic Bible with Protestant Bible were different ? As we know as well, Catholic was more longer exist before Protestant. As a matter a fact, what was canonize was still hold by Catholic. Meanwhile Protestant has dumb some of it, in about 15 century.If that now showing you there are some who has altered the Bible, then what else do you call it ?2nd. If your Bible were indeed canonize inspired by God, of course God would not give several time to canonize it, right ? Or is it wrong ? If that considered true, then how come so many canonize of Bible that has been done, in the early christian church ?Seek for your self and please do hesitate to read in this link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Canon/And please read this one, at least to gain your knowledge if you don't want to corrupt your faith. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Tex.../lostbooks.htmlRegards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
Sorry Ricky....I don't intend to spend any of the time I have left on this earth reading ANYTHING that isn't of our Father and that most definitely includes the suggestions you have made :naughty:. My faith is not corrupted in the least and you sir are barking up the wrong tree.....Read the first few chapters of Genesis to find out which tree you are taking refuge under. :bible:.........Whirlwind
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Whirlwind,I do hope you can see how I stand regarding on my statement. I was denied on Jordan of what he was accused regarding on Islamic view regarding on Jesus(pbuh).Now let's continue with others of your argument shall we.1st. If my arguments is wrong, now could tell me, how come the Catholic Bible with Protestant Bible were different ? As we know as well, Catholic was more longer exist before Protestant. As a matter a fact, what was canonize was still hold by Catholic. Meanwhile Protestant has dumb some of it, in about 15 century.If that now showing you there are some who has altered the Bible, then what else do you call it ?2nd. If your Bible were indeed canonize inspired by God, of course God would not give several time to canonize it, right ? Or is it wrong ? If that considered true, then how come so many canonize of Bible that has been done, in the early christian church ?Seek for your self and please do hesitate to read in this link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Canon/And please read this one, at least to gain your knowledge if you don't want to corrupt your faith. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Tex.../lostbooks.htmlRegards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
Sorry Ricky....I don't intend to spend any of the time I have left on this earth reading ANYTHING that isn't of our Father and that most definitely includes the suggestions you have made :naughty:. My faith is not corrupted in the least and you sir are barking up the wrong tree.....Read the first few chapters of Genesis to find out which tree you are taking refuge under. :bible:.........Whirlwind
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(whirlwind;32530)
Sorry Ricky....I don't intend to spend any of the time I have left on this earth reading ANYTHING that isn't of our Father and that most definitely includes the suggestions you have made :naughty:. My faith is not corrupted in the least and you sir are barking up the wrong tree.....Read the first few chapters of Genesis to find out which tree you are taking refuge under. :bible:.........Whirlwind
You even not answer 2 question that i ask.And with all due respect sir, you've said that we are liar, but when i asked you to see the proof by using your own eyes and more important is not on Islamic source, you denied it and closing your eyes, just watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done.If that the case... see you in the Last Day.Wallaahu a'lam.
Sorry Ricky....I don't intend to spend any of the time I have left on this earth reading ANYTHING that isn't of our Father and that most definitely includes the suggestions you have made :naughty:. My faith is not corrupted in the least and you sir are barking up the wrong tree.....Read the first few chapters of Genesis to find out which tree you are taking refuge under. :bible:.........Whirlwind
You even not answer 2 question that i ask.And with all due respect sir, you've said that we are liar, but when i asked you to see the proof by using your own eyes and more important is not on Islamic source, you denied it and closing your eyes, just watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done.If that the case... see you in the Last Day.Wallaahu a'lam.
Interesting discussion!
It is correct that there are differences in content between bibles of different denominations and between various translations into different languages. Indeed, one only has to look at the study notes of a good study bible to see that many verses have a number of different versions of ancient source documents and serious work is done to select which is most likely to be accurate. There are also verses which have been shown to be later additions or add-ons. However, the core message of the bible is outstandingly consistent.It is interesting to note that the Jews deny the Christians' follow-on of Jesus to the Hebrew faith - and the Christians deny the Islam's follow-on of Muhammad to Jesus
Was Muhammad the next prophet in God's progressive and selective revelation of Himself? Do we all worship the same God? The God of Abraham? Judaism says it does! Christianity says it does! Islam says it does!Fascinating
Glad to meet you Ricky, and everyone else.
(Ricky W;32533)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimYou even not answer 2 question that i ask.And with all due respect sir, you've said that we are liar, but when i asked you to see the proof by using your own eyes and more important is not on Islamic source, you denied it and closing your eyes, just watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done.If that the case... see you in the Last Day.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky...I take what those of your faith did and continue to do very, very seriously. You are being misled and in the process are trying to mislead others. There are two sides in this spiritual battle and there are good and evil on both sides.....I know where I am! The difference is we try our best to get rid of our bad guys...how about you?I'm not a sir, nor have I called you a liar but you amaze me in that you try to guide others to your side after what has happened to this nation. Even more amazing is there are those that actually listen to you.As to your questions. I don't care about Catholic or Protestant....I don't care about religion of any kind. As far as I am concerned they both contain a pack of scoundrels as well as good people just as your faith does. Ours has since the beginning of time....they also take shelter under the wrong tree. You must realize Satan works best from the pulpit....from ALL RELIGIONS.But....that being said, you cannot put the Word of God in the same category as religion. Religion is corrupt Ricky but His Word is not.As far as the Bible going through it's metamorphasis. The manuscripts are correct - they have NOT CHANGED. The King James Version, 1611 is the closest to those manuscripts for those of us today to study from. That version was the 7th Bible to be translated and I consider that a stamp of His approval (the #7 meaning spiritual completeness).As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
.......Whirlwind
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimYou even not answer 2 question that i ask.And with all due respect sir, you've said that we are liar, but when i asked you to see the proof by using your own eyes and more important is not on Islamic source, you denied it and closing your eyes, just watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done.If that the case... see you in the Last Day.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky...I take what those of your faith did and continue to do very, very seriously. You are being misled and in the process are trying to mislead others. There are two sides in this spiritual battle and there are good and evil on both sides.....I know where I am! The difference is we try our best to get rid of our bad guys...how about you?I'm not a sir, nor have I called you a liar but you amaze me in that you try to guide others to your side after what has happened to this nation. Even more amazing is there are those that actually listen to you.As to your questions. I don't care about Catholic or Protestant....I don't care about religion of any kind. As far as I am concerned they both contain a pack of scoundrels as well as good people just as your faith does. Ours has since the beginning of time....they also take shelter under the wrong tree. You must realize Satan works best from the pulpit....from ALL RELIGIONS.But....that being said, you cannot put the Word of God in the same category as religion. Religion is corrupt Ricky but His Word is not.As far as the Bible going through it's metamorphasis. The manuscripts are correct - they have NOT CHANGED. The King James Version, 1611 is the closest to those manuscripts for those of us today to study from. That version was the 7th Bible to be translated and I consider that a stamp of His approval (the #7 meaning spiritual completeness).As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
.......WhirlwindA'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Whirlwnd,(whirlwind)
Ricky...I take what those of your faith did and continue to do very, very seriously. You are being misled and in the process are trying to mislead others.
Look we are in the middle of discuss in this thread, whether i'm in misled or not only the God of Abraham(pbuh), the God of Jesus(pbuh) The Most Knows. And i'm not intend to misled others for your concern. But i'm discussing something around here. But when someone has tell us as a liar, then it needs to be proof from what they have accused, just as simple is that.
There are two sides in this spiritual battle and there are good and evil on both sides.....I know where I am! The difference is we try our best to get rid of our bad guys...how about you ?
How about me ? Hello... we are discussing something around here, and someone has pull up a trigger by called us(Islam) a liar. And if you think this were the spiritual battle or whatever do you want to call it, that was your own problem to have such of thinking, but i'm not intend to battle around here or whatever do you want to call it, i just simply asking you guys question especially when some has accusing something, then it needs to be proof right ? Or it doesn't needed
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I'm not a sir, nor have I called you a liar but you amaze me in that you try to guide others to your side after what has happened to this nation. Even more amazing is there are those that actually listen to you.
Well, sorry about that, i thought you are a man
. And regarding on your yellow one statement, i don't know how to make it clear understanding of it, if seeing like what you've said below :
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."
Look, if they were trying to listen to me or not, that's will became their own responsible, i'm here in this thread just want to questioned the accusation that has been made, and discuss about it. And what happen to the nation that you are talking about ? Is it the thing that happen to the origin of Indian people that do you meant ? Where a lot of the origin people has disappear ? Well i think you should think of it, the origin people of Indian that who own that place which called with USA.
As to your questions. I don't care about Catholic or Protestant....I don't care about religion of any kind. As far as I am concerned they both contain a pack of scoundrels as well as good people just as your faith does. Ours has since the beginning of time....they also take shelter under the wrong tree. You must realize Satan works best from the pulpit....from ALL RELIGIONS.
Whirlwind, that is not the case, we are talking about someone has altered the bible here, i'm asking that kind of question because you are surely believe that Quran has made fallacy(liar) by saying the Bible has corrupted/altered. I'm asking regarding between what happen to both of you (Catholic - Protestant) regarding on what the exactly really is exists in the bible. For me it's simple to say that, if the Bible between both of you was not the same, that mean there is something in both Bible or there is some of the bible has been added, edit, corrected, altered if that is what happen to the bible, it's simply to say that your Bible have been corrupted. So if that is the fact, that mean what the Quran has said regarding the bible has corrupted is true. So again if it were true then what make you thing on us that we are liar ? That is the case, are you understand with what i'm saying ?
But....that being said, you cannot put the Word of God in the same category as religion. Religion is corrupt Ricky but His Word is not.
If His Word were not being corrupted, how come some times canonize were exists ?If His Word were not being corrupted, why must have two kind of Bible among you the follower of Christ ?
As far as the Bible going through it's metamorphasis. The manuscripts are correct - they have NOT CHANGED. The King James Version, 1611 is the closest to those manuscripts for those of us today to study from. That version was the 7th Bible to be translated and I consider that a stamp of His approval (the #7 meaning spiritual completeness).
That's why i dare you to read at those link, to see by your self whether it was being corrupted or not. If you were not dare to see it, then how come you will be know ? I already said before, if you don't want to corrupt your faith that's fine, at least read it to gain your knowledge. But, that is your own problem anyway.Again I'll remind you, watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done. I'm telling this before you regret by the end of your life. So, see you in the Last Day.
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break! .......Whirlwind
No we don't because Islam and Judaism event Jesus(pbuh) him self has never thought to worship him self (Jesus(pbuh)). Event he(pbuh) were worship God of Abraham.Regards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam
Ricky...I take what those of your faith did and continue to do very, very seriously. You are being misled and in the process are trying to mislead others.
Look we are in the middle of discuss in this thread, whether i'm in misled or not only the God of Abraham(pbuh), the God of Jesus(pbuh) The Most Knows. And i'm not intend to misled others for your concern. But i'm discussing something around here. But when someone has tell us as a liar, then it needs to be proof from what they have accused, just as simple is that.
There are two sides in this spiritual battle and there are good and evil on both sides.....I know where I am! The difference is we try our best to get rid of our bad guys...how about you ?
How about me ? Hello... we are discussing something around here, and someone has pull up a trigger by called us(Islam) a liar. And if you think this were the spiritual battle or whatever do you want to call it, that was your own problem to have such of thinking, but i'm not intend to battle around here or whatever do you want to call it, i just simply asking you guys question especially when some has accusing something, then it needs to be proof right ? Or it doesn't needed
I'm not a sir, nor have I called you a liar but you amaze me in that you try to guide others to your side after what has happened to this nation. Even more amazing is there are those that actually listen to you.
Well, sorry about that, i thought you are a man
Therein lies one of the problems...."Islam doesn't considered what was foretold in your Bible all was made or came from His Messenger, but it has some yes, but some are not. So there is some one has altered it."
Look, if they were trying to listen to me or not, that's will became their own responsible, i'm here in this thread just want to questioned the accusation that has been made, and discuss about it. And what happen to the nation that you are talking about ? Is it the thing that happen to the origin of Indian people that do you meant ? Where a lot of the origin people has disappear ? Well i think you should think of it, the origin people of Indian that who own that place which called with USA.
As to your questions. I don't care about Catholic or Protestant....I don't care about religion of any kind. As far as I am concerned they both contain a pack of scoundrels as well as good people just as your faith does. Ours has since the beginning of time....they also take shelter under the wrong tree. You must realize Satan works best from the pulpit....from ALL RELIGIONS.
Whirlwind, that is not the case, we are talking about someone has altered the bible here, i'm asking that kind of question because you are surely believe that Quran has made fallacy(liar) by saying the Bible has corrupted/altered. I'm asking regarding between what happen to both of you (Catholic - Protestant) regarding on what the exactly really is exists in the bible. For me it's simple to say that, if the Bible between both of you was not the same, that mean there is something in both Bible or there is some of the bible has been added, edit, corrected, altered if that is what happen to the bible, it's simply to say that your Bible have been corrupted. So if that is the fact, that mean what the Quran has said regarding the bible has corrupted is true. So again if it were true then what make you thing on us that we are liar ? That is the case, are you understand with what i'm saying ?
But....that being said, you cannot put the Word of God in the same category as religion. Religion is corrupt Ricky but His Word is not.
If His Word were not being corrupted, how come some times canonize were exists ?If His Word were not being corrupted, why must have two kind of Bible among you the follower of Christ ?
As far as the Bible going through it's metamorphasis. The manuscripts are correct - they have NOT CHANGED. The King James Version, 1611 is the closest to those manuscripts for those of us today to study from. That version was the 7th Bible to be translated and I consider that a stamp of His approval (the #7 meaning spiritual completeness).
That's why i dare you to read at those link, to see by your self whether it was being corrupted or not. If you were not dare to see it, then how come you will be know ? I already said before, if you don't want to corrupt your faith that's fine, at least read it to gain your knowledge. But, that is your own problem anyway.Again I'll remind you, watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done. I'm telling this before you regret by the end of your life. So, see you in the Last Day.
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
.......WhirlwindNo we don't because Islam and Judaism event Jesus(pbuh) him self has never thought to worship him self (Jesus(pbuh)). Event he(pbuh) were worship God of Abraham.Regards,Ricky WWallaahu a'lam
(Ricky W;32563)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimHow about me ? Hello... we are discussing something around here, and someone has pull up a trigger by called us(Islam) a liar. And if you think this were the spiritual battle or whatever do you want to call it, that was your own problem to have such of thinking, but i'm not intend to battle around here or whatever do you want to call it, i just simply asking you guys question especially when some has accusing something, then it needs to be proof right ? Or it doesn't needed
?
We have a communication problem. I'm not saying that we are in a battle - I am saying that all that are living during this age on earth are in a spiritual battle between good and evil...not just us, but all of humanity.
Well, sorry about that, i thought you are a man
. And regarding on your yellow one statement, i don't how to make it clear understanding of it, if seeing like what you've said below :
Another communication problem. "Therein lies one of the problems" is NOT calling you a liar. The word "lies" as used there means where it is situated, where it is placed, ....in that sentence it does not mean an untruth. It has a completely different meaning then what you believe (this is an example of some of the difficulties of our language)
Whirlwind, that is not the case, we are talking about someone has altered the bible here, i'm asking that kind of question because you are surely believe that Quran has made fallacy(lieing) by saying the Bible has corrupted/altered. I'm asking regarding between what happen to both of you (Catholic - Protestant) regarding on what the exactly really is exist in the bible. For me it's simple to say that, if the Bible between both of you was not the same, that mean there is something wrong between both Bible or there is some of the bible has been added, edit, corrected, altered if that is what happen to the bible, it's simply to say that your Bible have been corrupted. So if that is the fact, that mean what the Quran has said regarding the bible has corrupted is true. So again what make you thing that us were liar again ? That is the case, are understand what i'm saying ?
The original manuscripts remain unchanged, unaltered...they are the Word of God. What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
If His Word were not being corrupted, how come some times canonize were exists ?If His Word were not being corrupted, why must have two kind of Bible among you the follower of Christ ?
Again...the manuscripts are not corrupted. What man touches almost always becomes corrupted....All men!
That's why i dare you to read at those link, to see by your self whether it was being corrupted or not. If you were not dare to see it, then how come you will be know ? I already said before, if you don't want to corrupt your faith that's fine, at least read it to gain your knowledge. But, that is your own problem anyway.
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Again I'll remind you, watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done. I'm telling this before you regret by the end of your life. So, see you in the Last Day.
I may have regrets at the end of my life Ricky but I assure you...it won't be not learning anymore about Islam than it has already shown me.........Whirlwind
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimHow about me ? Hello... we are discussing something around here, and someone has pull up a trigger by called us(Islam) a liar. And if you think this were the spiritual battle or whatever do you want to call it, that was your own problem to have such of thinking, but i'm not intend to battle around here or whatever do you want to call it, i just simply asking you guys question especially when some has accusing something, then it needs to be proof right ? Or it doesn't needed
We have a communication problem. I'm not saying that we are in a battle - I am saying that all that are living during this age on earth are in a spiritual battle between good and evil...not just us, but all of humanity.
Well, sorry about that, i thought you are a man
Another communication problem. "Therein lies one of the problems" is NOT calling you a liar. The word "lies" as used there means where it is situated, where it is placed, ....in that sentence it does not mean an untruth. It has a completely different meaning then what you believe (this is an example of some of the difficulties of our language)
Whirlwind, that is not the case, we are talking about someone has altered the bible here, i'm asking that kind of question because you are surely believe that Quran has made fallacy(lieing) by saying the Bible has corrupted/altered. I'm asking regarding between what happen to both of you (Catholic - Protestant) regarding on what the exactly really is exist in the bible. For me it's simple to say that, if the Bible between both of you was not the same, that mean there is something wrong between both Bible or there is some of the bible has been added, edit, corrected, altered if that is what happen to the bible, it's simply to say that your Bible have been corrupted. So if that is the fact, that mean what the Quran has said regarding the bible has corrupted is true. So again what make you thing that us were liar again ? That is the case, are understand what i'm saying ?
The original manuscripts remain unchanged, unaltered...they are the Word of God. What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
If His Word were not being corrupted, how come some times canonize were exists ?If His Word were not being corrupted, why must have two kind of Bible among you the follower of Christ ?
Again...the manuscripts are not corrupted. What man touches almost always becomes corrupted....All men!
That's why i dare you to read at those link, to see by your self whether it was being corrupted or not. If you were not dare to see it, then how come you will be know ? I already said before, if you don't want to corrupt your faith that's fine, at least read it to gain your knowledge. But, that is your own problem anyway.
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Again I'll remind you, watch out for eyes that not used to see and ear not used to hear. Because He will take account on what you've done. I'm telling this before you regret by the end of your life. So, see you in the Last Day.
I may have regrets at the end of my life Ricky but I assure you...it won't be not learning anymore about Islam than it has already shown me.........Whirlwind
Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.
What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God. Was Mohammed not inspired by God? Was Paul not inspired by God? Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really.
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.
What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God. Was Mohammed not inspired by God? Was Paul not inspired by God? Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really.
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.
(ps77;32685)
Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.(whirlwind;32539)
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.(whirlwind;32573)
What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God. Was Mohammed not inspired by God? Was Paul not inspired by God? Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really. (whirlwind;32573)
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.Now this is ridiculous sad, now what you have said ps77, is man's saying. You can't see the works of Satan that is in front of Islam. You can not understand the way of God in such a carnally-minded way.Islam god is made by a human's mind, a carnally minded person. Christians and Jews worshipped the same God who's name is YHWH. Islam god's name is Allah, and Allah is from Satan.The best way to know false doctrine is to read the bible yourself and God as a teacher, cause He is the one that gives His people understanding, as wisdom cometh from God.Christianity is a reality, not a religion. Islam is nothing but a bloodbath religion.As for Buddhists, it is also not of God.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world, who can only save people from their sins.
Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.(whirlwind;32539)
As far as believing we all worship the same God....Give me a break!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.(whirlwind;32573)
What happened between Catholic and Protestant is of no concern to me as they are both corrupted...His Word is not.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God. Was Mohammed not inspired by God? Was Paul not inspired by God? Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really. (whirlwind;32573)
I have no interest in reading about Islam or what Islam has to say about my faith. None!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.Now this is ridiculous sad, now what you have said ps77, is man's saying. You can't see the works of Satan that is in front of Islam. You can not understand the way of God in such a carnally-minded way.Islam god is made by a human's mind, a carnally minded person. Christians and Jews worshipped the same God who's name is YHWH. Islam god's name is Allah, and Allah is from Satan.The best way to know false doctrine is to read the bible yourself and God as a teacher, cause He is the one that gives His people understanding, as wisdom cometh from God.Christianity is a reality, not a religion. Islam is nothing but a bloodbath religion.As for Buddhists, it is also not of God.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world, who can only save people from their sins.
(ps77;32441)
So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
I agree there are many paths its opinion as to which is right, i think relgious pluralism and respect for what people believe is important only it should not be forced onto others.
So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
I agree there are many paths its opinion as to which is right, i think relgious pluralism and respect for what people believe is important only it should not be forced onto others.
(ps77;32685)
Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.
I would suggest that you filter the noise of false teachings and open His Word....hear and see the quiet truth as told by God Himself!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.
Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale. We are in a battle and He expects YOU to fight in this battle. If you don't, if you just drift from religion to religion and the thoughts of different men then you are in serious jeopardy. READ HIS WORD, LISTEN TO HIM, NOT MAN. You can lose your soul in the New Age theory of the "creator" loves everyone, we're all special to him....blah! The Lord of this universe, the God of every soul in this world including yours, mine and every Muslim, Hindu, etc, the Father of us all....has rules. He has great big If's attached to His promises. So....just drift around in the stupor of "God being pleased in the kind acts of Muslims" and you will be in for a rude awakening.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God.
Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been.
Was Mohammed not inspired by God?
NO!!!! HE WAS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD.
Was Paul not inspired by God?
Yes, Paul was inspired by God.
Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really.
Oh really...."that doesn't mean anything towards the message really"...you think so? You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.
Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested.
but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.
That is because you are listening to junk. You are listening to man...not God.Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you:You need to know and understand that anyone that does not believe in Jesus, the Son of God, will receive His wrath in the day of the Lord. Also know that Satan is coming to earth to deceive Christians. Why Christians? Because ALL OTHERS ARE ALREADY IN HIS CAMP...THEY ALREADY BELONG TO HIM.Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.The only ones that have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" are Christians. All the others he doesn't have to "make war" with as they are already his. It is your choice. You sail your own ship and you dig your own grave as all of us do. Make some wise decisions.:study: ........Whirlwind
Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.
I would suggest that you filter the noise of false teachings and open His Word....hear and see the quiet truth as told by God Himself!
This statement wasn't referring to the God of each respective religion. It was referring to God, as he is. The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. The statement made was made abstractly. In our own religions, are we serving God. Is it possible that God can be as pleased by the act of kindness from a Muslim, as a Christian. Or vice versa. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.
Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale. We are in a battle and He expects YOU to fight in this battle. If you don't, if you just drift from religion to religion and the thoughts of different men then you are in serious jeopardy. READ HIS WORD, LISTEN TO HIM, NOT MAN. You can lose your soul in the New Age theory of the "creator" loves everyone, we're all special to him....blah! The Lord of this universe, the God of every soul in this world including yours, mine and every Muslim, Hindu, etc, the Father of us all....has rules. He has great big If's attached to His promises. So....just drift around in the stupor of "God being pleased in the kind acts of Muslims" and you will be in for a rude awakening.
The point is, however, that both Catholics and Protestants both claim to have the word of God, but they have different copies. There are different books in the Catholic bible, that are regarded as "un-inspired" by the Protestants. Now, how do we determine whether a book was uninspired by the Holy Spirit or not? Well, they conducted a little experiment, and did a "which one of these does not belong" sort of thing. And came out with the books in there now. But the key word is inspired. Not hand-written from God, inspired by God.
Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been.
Was Mohammed not inspired by God?
NO!!!! HE WAS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD.
Was Paul not inspired by God?
Yes, Paul was inspired by God.
Islam claims Mohammed was, while Christianity claims that he was not. And actually, in John's revelation, he says if anyone else adds or takes away from the bible from now on, they will recieve due punishment from God. But things have been added and taken away since then. Yes, the Bible contains the most intact copies of original manuscript of any book, (in second is Homer's Ilyad I think), but that doesn't mean anything towards the message really.
Oh really...."that doesn't mean anything towards the message really"...you think so? You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!
Why, that is quite a sheltered view. Someone said earlier they did not want to read anything not from the Lord. How can you decide if it's from the Lord or not? I mean, I'm sure God's spoken through the Hardy Boys novels before. Seriously, we can't limit ourselves to what we percieve to be "Christian", because then we miss out on a lot. And our views will never be challenged. We will never have that aspect of strengthening, or growing, or thinking differently and rethinking.
Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested.
but for me..I'm trying to have ears to hear, and eyes to see.But I'm confused about what I hear, and what I see isn't clear.
That is because you are listening to junk. You are listening to man...not God.Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you:You need to know and understand that anyone that does not believe in Jesus, the Son of God, will receive His wrath in the day of the Lord. Also know that Satan is coming to earth to deceive Christians. Why Christians? Because ALL OTHERS ARE ALREADY IN HIS CAMP...THEY ALREADY BELONG TO HIM.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.The only ones that have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" are Christians. All the others he doesn't have to "make war" with as they are already his. It is your choice. You sail your own ship and you dig your own grave as all of us do. Make some wise decisions.:study: ........Whirlwindps77Noise, noise, all of this; noise to me.ps77:The God who made us all. Not the God of Christianity, or the God of Islam, or the God of Judaism. Think outside of religion. God trancends time, knowledge, understanding, religion. Religion cannot contain God. His work can be seen through the Buddhist, as much as it can be seen through the Christian. Wherever there is love, kindness, compassion, creation, right; there is God. Because when you look at it, while they claim it, no religion seems to have it down perfect. I've been a Christian for most of my life, but that's because it was indoctrinated in me. I was taught as a young child, before I could understand and experience other points of view. Even as a young teen, I rejected the religion of Christianity. As a religion. I believed in God and all that, but I did not see it as a religion. I saw it as creator and created. Just living every day, not following some religious plan or tradition, but my creator.Thunder1:I was not brought up on any 'belief system'. Now I could choose to be a muslim, hindu, buddhist, christian, atheist. We've got mosques, hindu and buddhist temples, churches very close to us. I've studied myself. And I am a Christian and that's the only truth. Believing Jesus Christ as your Saviour, because everybody sins and we need somebody to deliver from our sins. Muhammed could not do it and he is dead and he was a sinner himself, buddha could not deliver me from sins , he is dead, was only a man and a sinner himself , hindus got lots of gods just in case. Even satan believes that there is only one true living God , why do you think people are so blind to see the truth, satan tries to do everything to deceive people to see the truth.You can be a kind person, but that does not make you sinless. We all are sinners. I just like to ask, have you committed any sin, you don't have to tell me, but just think about it ,your thoughts, actions... If you are separarted from true living God ,you are a sinner. Jesus was the only sinless one, only one who was God's son, only one who sacrificed His life to save us from eternal hell. Only one who was there from the beginning, only one who rose from the death and still lives in us through the Holy spirit. There is only ONE TRUE LIVING GOD. Christianity is not religion to me , it's a personal relationship with my awesome God. I can pray anytime, anywhere. I don't have to follow rituals. I'm saved by grace. I was blind, but now I can see.Muslim, hindu, or buddhist 'gods' are not a true living God . AND THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE LIVING GOD. That's the Heavenly Father of Jesus Christ, our Saviour.God Bless,Thunder1
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I would suggest that you filter the noise of false teachings and open His Word....hear and see the quiet truth as told by God Himself!Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale. We are in a battle and He expects YOU to fight in this battle. If you don't, if you just drift from religion to religion and the thoughts of different men then you are in serious jeopardy. READ HIS WORD, LISTEN TO HIM, NOT MAN.You can lose your soul in the New Age theory of the "creator" loves everyone, we're all special to him....blah! The Lord of this universe, the God of every soul in this world including yours, mine and every Muslim, Hindu, etc, the Father of us all....has rules. He has great big If's attached to His promises. So....just drift around in the stupor of "God being pleased in the kind acts of Muslims" and you will be in for a rude awakening.Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been.NO!!!! HE WAS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD. Yes, Paul was inspired by God.Oh really...."that doesn't mean anything towards the message really"...you think so? You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested.That is because you are listening to junk. You are listening to man...not God.Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you:You need to know and understand that anyone that does not believe in Jesus, the Son of God, will receive His wrath in the day of the Lord. Also know that Satan is coming to earth to deceive Christians. Why Christians? Because ALL OTHERS ARE ALREADY IN HIS CAMP...THEY ALREADY BELONG TO HIM.Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.The only ones that have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" are Christians. All the others he doesn't have to "make war" with as they are already his. It is your choice. You sail your own ship and you dig your own grave as all of us do. Make some wise decisions.:study:........Whirlwind
Wow, whirlwind, that post seems to be filled with nothing but anger and insults. I don't see how anyone could see your post as being in any way helpful to someone who is waivering or questioning their faith."Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale."1 Corinthians 13 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been." Boy a Catholic or Protestant or television evangelist would certainly turn and run from this forum if they read this post. You seem to be doing all of the judging yourself instead of leaving it to God to decide who his true followers are. Condemning entire religions affiliations is a very strong statement to make and thank goodness you aren't the one in control, God is! "Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested."Actually, I think it is important to have knowledge of what other religions/Christians believe in order to refute it and help them (unbelievers/followers of other religions) come to know the true God and his word through reasoning from the Bible. How can you convert someone from being Muslim, Buddist, or following man made doctrines etc unless you have some knowledge of what they believe? Just cramming Bible passages down their throats doesn't work."You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!"Again....rude and insulting. If you think anyone should take you seriously speaking in such rude and insulting ways, you are sadly mistaken. I am new to this forum also, and I will likely get a tongue lashing from you and possibly others as well, but I don't care. No, I haven't been here for a long time, and possibly you have been, that doesn't mean that only your opinion matters. If I was on the verge of joining this forum today to have fellowship and discussions with other Christians and other religions from all walks of life, I certainly would not have done so if yours was the first post I read.Remember..... Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.Squeak
I would suggest that you filter the noise of false teachings and open His Word....hear and see the quiet truth as told by God Himself!Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale. We are in a battle and He expects YOU to fight in this battle. If you don't, if you just drift from religion to religion and the thoughts of different men then you are in serious jeopardy. READ HIS WORD, LISTEN TO HIM, NOT MAN.You can lose your soul in the New Age theory of the "creator" loves everyone, we're all special to him....blah! The Lord of this universe, the God of every soul in this world including yours, mine and every Muslim, Hindu, etc, the Father of us all....has rules. He has great big If's attached to His promises. So....just drift around in the stupor of "God being pleased in the kind acts of Muslims" and you will be in for a rude awakening.Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been.NO!!!! HE WAS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD. Yes, Paul was inspired by God.Oh really...."that doesn't mean anything towards the message really"...you think so? You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested.That is because you are listening to junk. You are listening to man...not God.Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, "Take heed lest any man deceive you:You need to know and understand that anyone that does not believe in Jesus, the Son of God, will receive His wrath in the day of the Lord. Also know that Satan is coming to earth to deceive Christians. Why Christians? Because ALL OTHERS ARE ALREADY IN HIS CAMP...THEY ALREADY BELONG TO HIM.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.The only ones that have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" are Christians. All the others he doesn't have to "make war" with as they are already his. It is your choice. You sail your own ship and you dig your own grave as all of us do. Make some wise decisions.:study:........WhirlwindWow, whirlwind, that post seems to be filled with nothing but anger and insults. I don't see how anyone could see your post as being in any way helpful to someone who is waivering or questioning their faith."Another suggestion....grow up! This la, de, da, I love you and you love me and we all need to be happy world is a fairy tale."1 Corinthians 13 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."Oh please....don't give me that tripe. If you spent anytime at all in His Word you would see His hand....you would know the Author. Again, I don't give a rat's patootie about Catholic or Protestant. I don't study their doctrine and I don't worship in their churches and I certainly don't listen to their teachings or teachers. I look at the ridiculous clowns on television and wonder why a bolt of lightening doesn't come through their mega-church roofs and strike them dead. His letter was written to us for us to read. The more you read the more understanding is opened by Him to you. You must work for that and apparently you haven't been." Boy a Catholic or Protestant or television evangelist would certainly turn and run from this forum if they read this post. You seem to be doing all of the judging yourself instead of leaving it to God to decide who his true followers are. Condemning entire religions affiliations is a very strong statement to make and thank goodness you aren't the one in control, God is! "Again, such wise instructions from so knowledgeable a person. My, my! If you want to waste your time read the Koran instead of the Bible, learn all about other religions and not God's Word and then one day you can face our Father and tell Him all about what you learned. I'm sure He will be really, really interested."Actually, I think it is important to have knowledge of what other religions/Christians believe in order to refute it and help them (unbelievers/followers of other religions) come to know the true God and his word through reasoning from the Bible. How can you convert someone from being Muslim, Buddist, or following man made doctrines etc unless you have some knowledge of what they believe? Just cramming Bible passages down their throats doesn't work."You oh so wise person...are you 15 or 16 yet or perhaps even in college where the professors have been working on you. Either way....get over yourself because you know nothing of the truth unless it is in His Word!"Again....rude and insulting. If you think anyone should take you seriously speaking in such rude and insulting ways, you are sadly mistaken. I am new to this forum also, and I will likely get a tongue lashing from you and possibly others as well, but I don't care. No, I haven't been here for a long time, and possibly you have been, that doesn't mean that only your opinion matters. If I was on the verge of joining this forum today to have fellowship and discussions with other Christians and other religions from all walks of life, I certainly would not have done so if yours was the first post I read.Remember..... Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.Squeak
And you know this why? God is not a man that he would lie about himself or change that truth to suit mankind. God is real not a manmade commodity.God does not work through buddist no more than he worked through those who worshipped Baal and Asherah. Do yourself a favour if your going to talk about God of any faith, get your facts right about the true and only God who ever made a difference the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.We Know God made everything but only the God of Abraham has been spot on about his people and the things that will happen. So leaves very little in terms to believe of any other faith.
Do you not believe Christ was perfect in his faith and everything about God speaking as true in the way he lived and cared for others? Christ got his faith perfect so we would be wrong to assume what you have written.
You are not born a christian like you can be a Jew. For someone so indoctrinated you know very little about the Christian God and his teachings.How do you follow a creator you don't know? Never heard such a load of codswallop in all my life. I do not mean to offend you but you should try finding out who God is and what he wants before supposing to know and teach others?:naughty:
You need to get your facts right. The king James version does not have certain books that the Catholic do. Because they are not deemed important in the teachings of eternal life and truth in Christ Jesus.
Protestants do not judge if inspired they simply have good reason for not including them and you should study before repeating things others tell you.
Mahomet was not inspired by God because he teaches opposite to the truth that God taught through his prophets and moses to the Israelites and the covenants. Do try to study why people are called false prophets.
Paul spoke in line with Gods prophets and Mahomet did not. Hence guess why Mahomet is false?
It is the book of revelation they are not to take away anything from or add. Do read it in chapter 22.
That is why you need to know the presence of Gods Spirit the anointing which teaches a man all truth. 1 John 2:27.
You definately missed out on an awful lot.
Should of gone to specsavers you get two pair of glasses for £75.00 at least you could not blame your eyesight for your spiritual blindness.:angel9:
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So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
with so many faiths around today, People serching for truth could wonder which is one is the right one, Don't you think God knew this??. and God has given 3 reasons that sepperate "THE TRUTH" from all other religions.[1] The risen Christ. no other religion has a prophet who is alive, and living in the hearts of His people. Born again Chiristian's are the only people who has a relationship with God through the living Jesus, who transforms their lives. if anyone receives Jesus, by faith, they will find out how real He is. [2] The Holy Ghost.A believer in Jesus should be baptised in the Holy Ghost and power, with at least one of nine. supernatural gifts.Tongues, interpretation of tongues. prophecy.The word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, discerning of spirits.Special faith, gifts of healings, the working of miracles.The Holy Ghost is an experience that deepens the life of a believer. It is also the fulfilment of Jesus's promise.[3] God confirms His word with signs following. I don't know of any other faith that does healings, miracles, speaking in an heavenly language, and is doing signs and wonders.Things that God said years and years ago are coming true today.
So I've been floating around these forums for a while, and it seems like it's turned into a big Christianity vs. Islam debate forum.The Christians have their ideology, and the Muslims have theirs.So what makes one more right than the other.Both claim to be the truth, but how are we to know what truth is?Solid truth.What if the Hindi people are right?What about the Buddhists.. the Rastafarians..we all make similar claims, so, when it comes down to it, what makes you take that leap of faith. Because nothing is for sure. Does it just "make sense" to you, more than anything else?I'd like to hear your thoughts.
with so many faiths around today, People serching for truth could wonder which is one is the right one, Don't you think God knew this??. and God has given 3 reasons that sepperate "THE TRUTH" from all other religions.[1] The risen Christ. no other religion has a prophet who is alive, and living in the hearts of His people. Born again Chiristian's are the only people who has a relationship with God through the living Jesus, who transforms their lives. if anyone receives Jesus, by faith, they will find out how real He is. [2] The Holy Ghost.A believer in Jesus should be baptised in the Holy Ghost and power, with at least one of nine. supernatural gifts.Tongues, interpretation of tongues. prophecy.The word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, discerning of spirits.Special faith, gifts of healings, the working of miracles.The Holy Ghost is an experience that deepens the life of a believer. It is also the fulfilment of Jesus's promise.[3] God confirms His word with signs following. I don't know of any other faith that does healings, miracles, speaking in an heavenly language, and is doing signs and wonders.Things that God said years and years ago are coming true today.
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