ISLAM IS NOT THE REVELATION BEAST

[Davy]

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Luke 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
Luke 9:27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

How do you explain?

Now, about those specific verses you asked about...

Notice Jesus mentions the "kingdom of God after it has come with power." He is speaking of the power of The Holy Spirit to His servants, supernatural power, Greek dunamis (NT:1411). That is why He told His disciples to not leave Jerusalem just yet after His resurrection, because He was getting ready to send them The Holy Spirit Comforter. That... is the Kingdom Lord Jesus was pointing to with those in that Mark 9:1 verse, as also in the other verses there too.

Lord Jesus even said after His resurrection, that if He didn't go away (ascend to The Father), then The Comforter would not come to His servants...

John 16:7
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.
KJV


It's because the Power of The Holy Spirit is what part of His Kingdom came to His servants right after the cross. His physical, literal Kingdom, with His direct Presence here on earth in Person has not come yet today. His disciples thought He had come to literally restore the kingdom of Israel at His 1st coming, in the political sense, but Jesus showed He instead came to be crucified and then raised from the dead the third day.

Thus the restitution of all things is not until Jesus returns, literally and in Person, to reign from Jerusalem, on earth, with His elect, as written.

Danger of Thinking the Literal Physical Kingdom Has Already Come:

The early Church on earth thought itself was the center of the Kingdom, without Jesus' future return to take reign over all nations. It soon tried to take over Jerusalem militarily, but failed, several times. Even to this day we can see how Christ's literal physical Kingdom is not yet manifest in today's Jerusalem ON EARTH with Him reigning there physically as King of kings, and Lord of lords. Today's Jerusalem on earth is still in bondage like Apostle Paul said in Galatians 4. That's why Paul said the Jerusalem above (new Jerusalem still in Heaven) is free, and that is the Jerusalem those in Christ are part of. It will eventually come to this earth, literally, per Revelation 21 & 22.

The 'Kingdom Now' doctrines (i.e., that the literal physical Kingdom has already come on earth), are a designed deception. There are some so-called Christian factions that believe since Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, that it is now up to His servants to 'make'... His Kingdom come to pass upon this earth, even without His future return. That was the mentality of many of those who sought to conquer Jerusalem for Christ, yet failed.

Those radicals within Christianity are still with us today. They still think it's their job to create the physical Kingdom on earth now, today, since the cross. Their Christian world view is a "one world government." A Christian Utopia on earth. And they are using World Socialism to try and bring it about. It is not... going to happen though. Instead, God has ordained for the END of this world the coming of the false-Messiah to take control over all nations who will be a fake Christ. Those radicals will actually think that will be our Lord Jesus having returned, but it won't be. It will be a supernatural one with the power of great signs and wonders on earth. Lord Jesus' coming to destroy that fake one will be after the working by that false-Messiah.

 

[Aman]

I'd sure love to give you a participation trophy. Where is your moms house and I will get it to you.


If you keep running into the same problem wherever you go, the problem is likely with you.


If you are looking for understanding or counseling, this is probably a very good place. You should try some of the other forums. The prophecy forum is not where you go to look for understanding.


The closet is a good place to begin. There you will find direction. But we are not supposed to hide in the closet. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Whatever talents the Lord has given you, 1, 5 or ten, don't bury them in the ground.

I will never be back but I cannot let this go, you are more like the world than a brother.

My mom died in 2013 so I cannot even go see her and you make a hateful comment like this plus all the other derogatory comments you make?

Hateful people like you make me leave through offenses and you blame it on me?

Shame on you and shame on this forum for letting you run rough shod over everyone!

BTW, the Lord has given me much understanding of prophecy but it seems you are the prophecy gatekeeper here so you will hear none of it.

I wipe the dust from my feet.

 

[The Light]

I will never be back

It appears that your word means nothing. You said you wanted your account deleted. Let me quote you.

i don't debate, you win.

i thought perhaps here would be different but I see it's no different than any other.

I'm out, please delete my account, i'll keep looking for understanding elsewhere... though I think it does not exist.

thank our father i still have my closet.

but I cannot let this go,

Correct. You are unable to pass the 1st test which is forgiveness. You have to take things into your own hands as you are unable to trust the Lord. This failure is why you are unable to walk in power.

you are more like the world than a brother.

You know nothing about me. You have not seen the things that I have seen nor walked in the challenges that I have walked. You fold your tent at the first trial.

My mom died in 2013 so I cannot even go see her

Oh, so you want to play the my mom has died card. Let me play the my dad died when I was early twenties card. Fortunately, my dad was a hell of a man and lovedGod like I have seen no other. He made me a man at 20. I knew what the prayer closet was for, and it wasn't to hide in.

and you make a hateful comment like this plus all the other derogatory comments you make?

I produced scripture that proved your contention about the beast being COMMERCE was totally incorrect. Why is it that you are unable to hear the truth and understand the truth. Your contention is FALSE...............PERIOD.

Hateful people like you make me leave through offenses and you blame it on me?

Quit being a wimp and man up. Quit hiding and blaming everyone for your failures. Study to show thyself approved a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Shame on you.

You are a spiritual babe that has not seen one single miracle. I know because you must choose God to see miracles.

BTW, the Lord has given me much understanding of prophecy

This is in your mind only. Nothing you have shown about prophecy is supported by scripture. You live in a fantasy of your mind that is unsupported by Biblical truth.

but it seems you are the prophecy gatekeeper here so you will hear none of it.

I would love to hear anything that you can support with scripture. Your opinion is as worthless as the next man's opinion.

I wipe the dust from my feet.

Correct. And you walk in blindness because of this, failing the first test. All the best to you, but until you choose God you've got nothing

 

[William Barton]

Firstly, I am a Protestant Christian. My ancestors came to the Americas in the 1600's from France, having been under the persecutions against French Huguenots in France by the Catholic Church. And as much as I disagree with Radical Islam, I still am not deceived into thinking Islam represents the Revelation beast for the end times.

Per the signs of the end that Lord Jesus gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, the Revelation beast will operate from Jerusalem, not Europe, and not Mecca.

Below Lord Jesus was speaking of signs that happen at the end of this world just prior to His return...

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
KJV

Matt 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

That sign of the "abomination of desolation" idol to be setup per the Book of Daniel is to happen in JUDEA. That means JERUSALEM. It is one of the signs Jesus gave about the future "great tribulation", so it has not yet happened today, as the "great tribulation" is still in our near future.

Lord Jesus then in that same Matthew 24 Chapter gave the following sign about the coming of a false-Christ to Jerusalem, which is who He was pointing to that will cause the "abomination of desolation" idol to stand in that "holy place", in Jerusalem, meaning a new stone temple.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

Lord Jesus gave us the warning that if someone comes up to you in that time and says something like, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", then do not believe it. Why? Because that will be a FALSE-CHRIST.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

The above "false Christs" phrase Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated the Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah', meaning a singular false-Christ, or false-Messiah.

And there is your first MAJOR CLUE that the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is NOT going to come from Islam, but instead from among the Jews.

And the reason is simple. It is because in order for that pseudo-Christ to mimic Lord Jesus Christ, and that is what his game will be about, he must simulate his origins being from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David. No one born of Ishmael (Arabs) following Islam can mimic that.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

And just in case the reader didn't quite get His meaning, Lord Jesus repeated His warning about that coming pseudo-Christ, for us to not believe that false one who comes first will be Jesus.

Apostle Paul gave this same warning in 2 Thessalonians 2...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That is the same subject Lord Jesus was warning about, a coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem that will sit in a new stone temple built there for the end, and proclaim himself as GOD. Paul in that same Chapter repeats the sign Jesus gave about that future false one in Jerusalem working the great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the world with.

Then Lord Jesus gave the Church even more information about that coming false-Christ, in His Book of Revelation He sent through His servant John...

Rev 13:11-15
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

That is about the false-Christ Jesus warned us about for the end. He is that "another beast", a 2nd beast representing the idea of the 'beast king'. In Revelation 13:1, the first beast is about a kingdom beast that comes up out of the sea of peoples. In Revelation 17:15 Lord Jesus defined that sea of waters to mean peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. That 1st beast is to have ten horns (ten kings), seven heads (earthly power zones), and ten crowns.

And per Revelation 17, in the last verse, we are told the Babylon Harlot symbolic "woman" is a "great city". And per Revelation 11:8 we are shown that "great city" is about JERUSALEM for the end.

What this means for Islam is that it will be subject to the one-world beast religion just like deceived Christian brethren will be also, and all other religions too. Or didn't you notice Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that the coming false-Christ will exalt himself over ALL THAT IS WORSHIPED, OR THAT IS CALLED GOD?

What is going on today between Iran, Israel, and the Christian West are simply moves towards the coming "one world government" in prep for the coming false-Christ to reign from Jerusalem.

IMO:
Abomination of desolation refers to the anti-Christ taking his seat in the temple, declaring that he is God:
"...who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his place in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." (3Thesdalonians 2:4)

It was not unusual for Roman kings to be regarded as gods (1Corinthisns 8:5-6).

 

[Douggg]

Abomination of desolation refers to the anti-Christ taking his seat in the temple, declaring that he is God:

Hi William,

The act by the Antichrist of sitting in the temple declaring that he is God is what in Daniel 8:13 is called the Transgression of desolation.

The Abomination of desolation comes a little later when the false prophet has a statue image made of him and places the statue image on the temple mount.

 

[Davy]

IMO:
Abomination of desolation refers to the anti-Christ taking his seat in the temple, declaring that he is God:
"...who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his place in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." (3Thesdalonians 2:4)

It was not unusual for Roman kings to be regarded as gods (1Corinthisns 8:5-6).

Ah... you referred to ROME with your last statement, so you revealed what deception you are probably on pushed by the doctrines of men, and not... by the Scriptures which I covered that are what is actually written.

Were you aware of what general Titus of the Roman army did in 70 A.D. at Jerusalem? He took Jerusalem with an army, and TRIED to seize control of the 2nd temple of the Jews. The Romans never got control of it; that temple burned down from a fire started inside it before the Roman army could get possession of it (per the Jewish historian Josephus).

That means there was NO "abomination of desolation" event in 70 A.D. Jerusalem by the Romans. It means it is still future to us even.

And how do we 'know' what that "abomination of desolation" actually is? Per Daniel 11, it is when the "vile person", after having re-established old covenant worship with a new temple in Jerusalem for the Jews, in the middle of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week", that "vile person" will end... the daily sacrifices of the orthodox Jews, and instead will place an IDOL inside the new temple which today's Jews already have the materials ready to build. That is when that "vile person" will declare himself as GOD, and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, per Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2

And in Luke 21, Lord Jesus said for those of us in the countries, to not enter into Jerusalem at that time, and for His servants in Judea at that time to flee to the mountains.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ah... you referred to ROME with your last statement, so you revealed what deception you are probably on pushed by the doctrines of men, and not... by the Scriptures which I covered that are what is actually written.

Were you aware of what general Titus of the Roman army did in 70 A.D. at Jerusalem? He took Jerusalem with an army, and TRIED to seize control of the 2nd temple of the Jews. The Romans never got control of it; that temple burned down from a fire started inside it before the Roman army could get possession of it (per the Jewish historian Josephus).

That means there was NO "abomination of desolation" event in 70 A.D. Jerusalem by the Romans. It means it is still future to us even.

And how do we 'know' what that "abomination of desolation" actually is? Per Daniel 11, it is when the "vile person", after having re-established old covenant worship with a new temple in Jerusalem for the Jews, in the middle of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week", that "vile person" will end... the daily sacrifices of the orthodox Jews, and instead will place an IDOL inside the new temple which today's Jews already have the materials ready to build. That is when that "vile person" will declare himself as GOD, and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, per Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2

And in Luke 21, Lord Jesus for those of us in the countries, to not enter into Jerusalem at that time, and for His servants in Judea at that time to flee to the mountains.

How long do you think that His servants in Judea would need to stay in the mountains after fleeing there? What would they do once they fled to the mountains, keeping in mind that most of those people would be used to today's modern conveniences that they would not have access to in the mountains where it has rough terrain and a lack of water sources and so on.

 

[Davy]

How long do you think that His servants in Judea would need to stay in the mountains after fleeing there? What would they do once they fled to the mountains, keeping in mind that most of those people would be used to today's modern conveniences that they would not have access to in the mountains where it has rough terrain and a lack of water sources and so on.

Ever hear of a thing called Road Blocks?

How you gonna' get out of Jerusalem with crack downs if not on foot?

I hear some Jews are planning on escaping to Petra. Bad idea. There's a warning against those who seek to go into the holes of the rocks on the "day of the Lord", which is the day of Jesus' future 2nd coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ever hear of a thing called Road Blocks?

How you gonna' get out of Jerusalem with crack downs if not on foot?

I hear some Jews are planning on escaping to Petra. Bad idea. There's a warning against those who seek to go into the holes of the rocks on the "day of the Lord", which is the day of Jesus' future 2nd coming.

How about actually addressing my questions instead of trying to get around them. Explain exactly how people would survive in the mountains, considering that most people in today's day and age would not have the kind of survival skills necessary to do so.

 

[covenantee]

Ah... you referred to ROME with your last statement, so you revealed what deception you are probably on pushed by the doctrines of men, and not... by the Scriptures which I covered that are what is actually written.

Were you aware of what general Titus of the Roman army did in 70 A.D. at Jerusalem? He took Jerusalem with an army, and TRIED to seize control of the 2nd temple of the Jews. The Romans never got control of it; that temple burned down from a fire started inside it before the Roman army could get possession of it (per the Jewish historian Josephus).

That means there was NO "abomination of desolation" event in 70 A.D. Jerusalem by the Romans. It means it is still future to us even.

And how do we 'know' what that "abomination of desolation" actually is? Per Daniel 11, it is when the "vile person", after having re-established old covenant worship with a new temple in Jerusalem for the Jews, in the middle of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week", that "vile person" will end... the daily sacrifices of the orthodox Jews, and instead will place an IDOL inside the new temple which today's Jews already have the materials ready to build. That is when that "vile person" will declare himself as GOD, and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, per Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2

And in Luke 21, Lord Jesus for those of us in the countries, to not enter into Jerusalem at that time, and for His servants in Judea at that time to flee to the mountains.

Did Judaean Christians flee prior to 70 AD?

 

[Davy]

Did Judaean Christians flee prior to 70 AD?

Did the Romans setup the "abomination of desolation" IDOL of Daniel 11:31 in the temple at Jerusalem in 70 A.D.?

 

[Davy]

How about actually addressing my questions instead of trying to get around them. Explain exactly how people would survive in the mountains, considering that most people in today's day and age would not have the kind of survival skills necessary to do so.

"most people"?? Who would that be, you Jews who think to hide in the rocks at Petra?? Not going to happen. Ever heard of an earthquake?

 

[Davy]

Hi William,

The act by the Antichrist of sitting in the temple declaring that he is God is what in Daniel 8:13 is called the Transgression of desolation.

The Abomination of desolation comes a little later when the false prophet has a statue image made of him and places the statue image on the temple mount.

Nope. Both are the same event.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. Both are the same event.

 

[covenantee]

Did the Romans setup the "abomination of desolation" IDOL of Daniel 11:31 in the temple at Jerusalem in 70 A.D.?

Answer my question first.
If you can.
Then I'll answer yours.

 

[Davy]

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That's only TV show level, you've got a long ways to go to get it to a Hollywood movie.

 

[Douggg]

That's only TV show level, you've got a long ways to go to get it to a Hollywood movie.

The point is that the AoD follows the ToD.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"most people"?? Who would that be, you Jews who think to hide in the rocks at Petra?? Not going to happen. Ever heard of an earthquake?

LOL! What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know? I can't take you seriously. But, go ahead and think that people will be fleeing out of Judea to the mountains in the future if you want to believe in fairy tales.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

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This is such a ridiculous chart. Paul said that "sudden destruction" will come upon those saying "peace and safety", but you have a 7 year time period following people saying that instead. Do you not know what the word sudden means? It can't apply to a 7 year time period.

 

[Davy]

The point is that the AoD follows the ToD.

Your point, but not The Bible.