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Islam the cult of Anti-Christ !

Discussion in 'NonChristian Help Forum' started by Code_RED, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Ricky W

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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim[​IMG], i think you should more to be careful on saying word.Now watch your own word ami, No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God(ami)
    Ricky,I am refering to the new testement where we are saved by the grace of God through beliving in Jesus christ the son of God. Ricky wrote:Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Event without believing Jesus, anyone can considered as son of God). Ami wrote:No, no one can become the son of God without beliving in his son because Jesus said he who has the son has the father. But he who has not the son doesn't have the father.
    Is it has the same meaning with what you has said previously ?(ami)
    No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God
    It is a different meaning with what you has said previously, which is obvious different with your new statement.
    Read what i have highlighted in red.
    Read again with what you have said before.
    No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God[/qoute][qoute]Matthew 5:1-9[1] And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:[2] And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,[3] Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.[4] Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.[5] Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.[6] Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.[7] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.[8] Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.Here Jesus was teaching his diciples who already followed him(belived in him) and he teaches them that one of the characters of children of God is to bring peace to the world.Romans8: 14[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Here the writer made it clear in the first verse: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit They qualify to be the sons of God becaus they are in Christ(belive in Jesus).I think i have answered some of your questions.God bless
    All verses that I quoted clearly say that to be son of God, it is not necessary believing that Jesus is Son of God, like the way you subscribed but you just only following his TEACH.So as i said before, your statement No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God, clearly not biblical and denying by bible it self. Think about it, ok [​IMG]. Or perhaps you want me to use OT ? Well i think you are know better then i [​IMG].Wallahu a'lam.
     
  2. servant_of_the_end

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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimEquivocation [​IMG] ?Wallahu a'lam.
    For one try English. It's apparent you're using a translator. Your cult is seen for what it is in spite of your veiled verbal burka banter. You won't find me a willing dolt of Islam. so take it elsewhere or find a willing schlemiel to accept you outlandish claims.
     
  3. Ricky W

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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(servant_of_the_end)
    For one try English. It's apparent you're using a translator. Your cult is seen for what it is in spite of your veiled verbal burka banter. You won't find me a willing dolt of Islam. so take it elsewhere or find a willing schlemiel to accept you outlandish claims.
    I must admitted that English is my second language, and i'm still not good enough with it. However, some of them i do understand and some of them i'm using dictionary and translator to know the meaning of the word that i don't understand.However, i think i know and understand the point some of your sentences.Btw, about this word equivocation is it has the close meaning with playing a word ?And one another thing, it is not me who start bringing about Islam around this forum or thread, you may see whether i start the first of telling about Islam or not, but i can't stand for my self if someone start spreading lie against Islam. It is my duty to tell the truth about what is in Islam really are. So again, until this time i just defending on my faith, from telling lie and mis perception on it.You may ask anyone in here who felt that i spreading Islam at the first time. I'm here just want to know more, to discuss more, to gain more about christian teach and the intrepretation from each christian followers, which one of you has been prove there are different intrepretation and argumention for what has been told in the bible it self. In here i just want to understand on your faith, not like the way a lot of christian people who done terrible thing and lie on giving information on Islamic view. So in here, i want to know you guys with nice, even thought i have to get some slap among you. But that's ok, because it is the consequences as moslem to deal with others which is doesn't like it.So again please, don't negative thinking first on me, but if you doubt and don't want too, then it is your right to felt it that way.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Mahomet is a false prophet, Moses conclusively proves this in that God says through him. Deuteronomy 18:15-20 (King James Version) 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16.According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20.But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.Mahomet was not born of the brethren Moses speaking to, for this brethren was clearly Isaacs descendants, of whom I am one. There was one son and one mother. Isaac and Sarah respectively. Now you do not claim that Mahomet was Isaacs descendant do you or that Moses or God was lying when he said from their own brethren do you?On the day of judgement the prophet Moses words will condemn you. Because clearly God says all who do not hearken unto the Messiah the prophet he will require it of you. Think Ricky. do you want to go to the grave being lost. Now is the time to look to God for truth and ask him to show you the truth of his word.Love Faithful..
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Faithful)
    Mahomet is a false prophet, Moses conclusively proves this in that God says through him. Deuteronomy 18:15-20 (King James Version) 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16.According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17.And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20.But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.Mahomet was not born of the brethren Moses speaking to, for this brethren was clearly Isaacs descendants, of whom I am one. There was one son and one mother. Isaac and Sarah respectively. Now you do not claim that Mahomet was Isaacs descendant do you or that Moses or God was lying when he said from their own brethren do you?
    Who said that was only Isaacs descendants ?What word that more to be fit to use between Moses and others Isaac descendants, brother or brethren ? I think you should think of it. Ishmael was brethren to Isaac descendants. And one another think for you to be notes, this is what was foretold in your scripture Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,And I wanna ask you faithful, who was the man that Moses meant on the verses that you brought, is he Jesus ? (I hope you answer this).
    On the day of judgement the prophet Moses words will condemn you. Because clearly God says all who do not hearken unto the Messiah the prophet he will require it of you. Think Ricky. do you want to go to the grave being lost. Now is the time to look to God for truth and ask him to show you the truth of his word.Love Faithful..
    In the Name of God, I believe Moses (pbuh) will proud with the followers of prophet Muhammad s.a.w. and the followers of God(Elohiym) which is not HUMAN like the way he-Moses (pbuh) has teach to his followers, think carefully and clearly faithful, and use your depth inside of your heart, and may God guiding you to His Righteousness Path.And faithfull, if you really considered that you are the one who has right faith and believe on God path, Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie. Are you willing to do this ?Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    Your prophet Muhammad, that who follows a dead god, did not live around in Yahshua's time, David's time, Moses's time, Abraham's time etc...He is so a false prophet, that teaches many false doctrine against God.Jag
     
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    Peace be with you, Ricky,(Ricky W;22483)
    As I said before, if they are not denying that he is His Messenger(prophets)-"the son term of OT was the one(human) who has close relationship with God and as a judge that represented God in this world(earth)" and not denying God-"Father". And what i has shown you, was has the same meaning with the verse you brought, is it still considered as antichrist ?
    So all Muslims should have no problem calling Jesus "the Son of God"? We need to use "the Son of God" exactly as John the Apostle used it, because that is where the he helped us know what/who the antichrist is. There is no other definition we can fall back to. And John made it clear that anyone who denies "the Son" is an antichrist.
    But if this is the plain meaning, then why should the Qur'an have an aversion to calling Jesus the Son of God (notice "the", as the Bible uses it)."For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son." (Surah 19:92)Now I'm asking you, is it the term "Son of God" in the OT was has the same meaning with what Jesus attributed ?I surely did believe it was different, son of God that attributed to Jesus has the meaning that Father and the Son was as God as the creator of Universe, not as prophet or ordinary human being just like foretold in the OT, correct ?
    I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here.
    Now you may take a look on the verse of Quran that you have brought below, pay attention on what i bold and colored."He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure." (Surah 25:2)
    Thank you for quoting Surah 25:2, because it looks like you are trying to show me that God created everything. The Apostle John also wrote the following regarding Jesus:"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3).God knows best. He is the only Sovereign.
     
  8. Ricky W

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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohim(thesuperjag)
    Your prophet Muhammad, that who follows a dead god, did not live around in Yahshua's time, David's time, Moses's time, Abraham's time etc...Jag
    See Jordan, you are again giving lie or false though regarding on Islam. Al Furqon(77):58. And put thy trust in Him Who lives and dies not; and celebrate his praise; and enough is He to be acquainted with the faults of His servants;-Al Qoshosh(28):88. And call not, besides Allah, on another god. There is no god but He. Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Face. To Him belongs the Command, and to Him will ye (all) be brought back.For me it's getting clear that your breast close and constricted, as if you had to climb up to the skies.Al An'aam (6):125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.Perhaps Jordan, you need to remind with this bible verse :Leviticus 19:11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.That, if you don't mind to reminded [​IMG].My prophet, he might not live at the time those prophets, but God Knows Best of everything that was going on in this Universe, He will not giving something wrong event a bit. Well it is to bad that if you forgot with what God can do.("Jordan")
    He is so a false prophet, that teaches many false doctrine against God.
    If we combine between what christian believe with bible verses that faithful has brought, we may conclude that Jesus was false prophet (according to bible). How come ?Deutoronomy 18:20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.Most christian considered what was foretold in Deuteronomy 18 was a prophecy to Jesus christ.And we are all know that, Jesus was die, and all this info was foretold in the Bible.In here we can conclude that, Jesus Christ a false prophet according to Bible (not me, and i'm not attend to attack in here). Use your clear mind.And Jordan, you may speak what ever you want, but for us the most important is what was God saying not men like you and me saying.Wallahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(yaqub)
    Peace be with you, Ricky,
    And may unto you too, Yaqub.
    So all Muslims should have no problem calling Jesus "the Son of God"?We need to use "the Son of God" exactly as John the Apostle used it, because that is where the he helped us know what/who the antichrist is. There is no other definition we can fall back to.
    Yes we have problem, why ? Because we are afraid that you all guys will has miss intrepretation against us. See like your word above. The term the son of God that were bringing with your faith to us has a different meaning. As i said before, the term Son of God in the Bible was person/human(men) who has close relationship with God and as a judge as well as represented God in this world(earth) or we also can say that was a prophet meaning also. We don't mind with this meaning. Meanwhile your faith has a different intrepretation to Jesus regarding on the use of the Son of God. And if we using what was foretold on John, the moslem are the one who not considered as antichrist, why ? Because we believe with Jesus was sent by God as His Messenger, and also we believe with God who has sent Jesus to the loss lamb of Israel as he ever told.
    And John made it clear that anyone who denies "the Son" is an antichrist.
    And we are not denying it, as i already explain above.
    I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here.Thank you for quoting Surah 25:2, because it looks like you are trying to show me that God created everything. The Apostle John also wrote the following regarding Jesus:"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3).
    Actually i'm sure you are understand what i'm talking too. Bring both verses at once not just bring 1 verse that you shown ups there.And one another, that is not what Jesus saying or God Him self saying.
    God knows best. He is the only Sovereign.
    Yes indeed God The Most High Knows Best, He is the only God which not human or ever in human form, because that is what He has said [​IMG].Wallahu a'lam.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim[​IMG], nothing less to say, i already got your point, and my response still the same, just need to analyze i guest [​IMG]. Pay attention on your statement that i mark.And about Psalms 22:You may pay attention on this verse :psalm 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.Jesus will be saved, and not death. That if you considered that Jesus was being crucified.Wallahu a'lam.
    Psalms 22:25 "My praise shall be of Thee in the great congregation: I will pay my before them that fear Him."This verse means God is going to remember you after this earth age, when you give reverence to His Son for going to the cross.If thats not your question you will have to re-ask I'm not understanding you.
     
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    A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(kriss)
    Psalms 22:25 "My praise shall be of Thee in the great congregation: I will pay my before them that fear Him."This verse means God is going to remember you after this earth age, when you give reverence to His Son for going to the cross.If thats not your question you will have to re-ask I'm not understanding you.
    Oh I see then [​IMG]. Because from what i see, this verses was telling about David who felt suffer so he pray to God so God would help him. And at verse Psalms 22:25 what i see in here is, that God hear what David ask, and God willing to help him, because he is the one who always call God name in every time. So he deserve to have granted pray from God, so God will not let him suffer and terrible.Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    I would like to conclude that all prophets in the bible are decendants of Issac whereas Mohammed in quran is the only prophet who is the decendant of Ishmael.
    Thats correct, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not meant to be a decendent of isaac, this is because Almighty God did not want His final prophet to be among the decendents of Isaac and my proof of this can be derived from the bible it self. Please read all of the text below as proof to show why Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a decendent of Ishmael; Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Altough christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet (or christians say he is god). If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets. However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him): i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention. [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Qur'an 3:42-47] ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children. iii) Both died natural deaths. Christianity says that jesus was crusified...(4:157-158) Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him). Words in the mouth: Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim. "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." [Deuteronomy 18:18] iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings (or rulers) i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36). v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not." iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18). 2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him." 3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned". It Also says in the Qur'an; Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".Wallaahu a'lam.
     
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    I would like to conclude that all prophets in the bible are decendants of Issac whereas Mohammed in quran is the only prophet who is the decendant of Ishmael.
    Thats correct, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not meant to be a decendent of isaac, this is because Almighty God did not want His final prophet to be among the decendents of Isaac and my proof of this can be derived from the bible it self. Please read all of the text below as proof to show why Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a decendent of Ishmael; Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Altough christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet (or christians say he is god). If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets. However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him): i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention. [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Qur'an 3:42-47] ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children. iii) Both died natural deaths. Christianity says that jesus was crusified...(4:157-158) Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him). Words in the mouth: Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim. "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." [Deuteronomy 18:18] iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings (or rulers) i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36). v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not." iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18). 2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him." 3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned". It Also says in the Qur'an; Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".Wallaahu a'lam.Actually, while God (YHWH) bless Ishmael with the seed and multiply...the Arabs still exist here today, as God loves every sing race. While your prophet Muhammad is a Ishmaelites, He is everything against YHWH. Muhammad created his own religion...Whereof my Heavenly Father gave us Christians and Jews the full Truth. God can not change.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.I'll stick with Christ (Son of God) and YHWH's (God the Father) words over men words anyday.Jag
     
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    Lets go and break some more areas down some please. In accordance to the Qur'an, Allah Promised to see hell for his followers:Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception."Were in accordance to our Bible Promised Everlasting Life.John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life .Islam promotes forced conversion in which by commands of the Qur'an and taught within Mosques World Wide of the ellinination of all other faiths:Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." All while the Islamic Communities are taught not to take other faiths as friends:Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people..." While the same Prophet who wrote the Qur'an himself married a 9 Year old JEWISH Girl by the name of Aisha in which he had sexual relations and it clearly states this activity within the Islamic religion of the Hadith. Please see the verses below : Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.Muslims are permitted to lie while claiming peace during their methods of operation and conversion of other faiths:Sura (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lieSura (2:225)- "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts".While Muslims are commanded to slay ex Muslims who covert to another faith as well as non believers of the faith :Sura (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter ...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
     
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    Actually, while God (YHWH) bless Ishmael with the seed and multiply...the Arabs still exist here today, as God loves every sing race. While your prophet Muhammad is a Ishmaelites, He is everything against YHWH. Muhammad created his own religion...Whereof my Heavenly Father gave us Christians and Jews the full Truth. God can not change.John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.I'll stick with Christ (Son of God) and YHWH's (God the Father) words over men words anyday.Jag
    whats yhwh?He never created his own religion, he never claimed to be god and when he was litterly the ruler of arabia he would still ride on his donkey while he could lived the luxrious life as the persians and romans did of his time, name me 1 ruler who was not concerned about status or money throughout history? none except those who god sent down as messengers and/or as prophets.His final message was to worship god alone as was the same message of all the prophets befor him, noah, abraham, moses, jesus and muhammad all came saying to worship god alone.“And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): None has the right to be worshipped but I (God (Allaah)), so worship Me (Alone and none else)”[al-Anbiya’ 21:25] who else can say this except god?
     
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    IbnFarasat, You clearly are in some way shape and or form around the Islamic faith. I applaud you only for standing up what you believe in and I do sincerely appreciate your effort to attempt to defend. Before I start proving other fact here I would like you to clearly answer a few more areas so everything is on record.Is it not true that the Qur'an has 123 plus verses promoting violence, death, rape, destruction, suicide murders and more in which most verses are direct commands to the Muslims who study ? Is it not true that the American Muslims utilize 16 of the worst biblical verses in which the American Muslims utilize as a comparison and in turn most ARE NOT commands ? Is it not true that many Christian faiths are taught that the Anti Christ is to be a World Leader who is foreign and is to take over the World after the second coming of Christ is amongst us to take those away that accepted Jesus into their hearts ? Is it not true that the Islamic faith in accordance to the Qur'an that Jesus was never placed on the cross to die for our sins ? Is it not true that Muhammad created the Qur'an 610 to 612 after the death of our lord and savior Jesus Christ on the Cross ? Is it not true that Muhammad was born in Mecca, Arabia in which Jesus was born in Bethlehem,Israel ? Is it not true that Muhammad birth place is foreign to the land our lord and savior was born in ? Is it not true that study of Islam has entered British public schools mandating it a course in which if students of other faiths do not successfully learn to be converted within that they fail the school year ? Is it not true that the religion of Islam is to be taught within the UK, in swimming, playground activities and other child activities and in which other faiths may not be practiced ? Is it not true the Muslims have entered the Boy Scouts of America in the Carolinas to utilize the Boys in a Political Standing that the Muslims HAVE NEVER gained permission from the Upper Council and is under full investigation at the moment ? Is it not true that British Muslims can hold rallies making death threats to America, Denmark, and the UK itself with bombings in front of British Police who take no action ? Is it not true American Muslims are not loyal to the American Government ? Is it not true that Muslims are not shooting to have their first Muslim President by the year 2020?
     
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    We love Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), so why are we Anti-Christ?
     
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    We love Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), so why are we Anti-Christ?
    John 9:35 - Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?John 10:36 - Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?Jag
     
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    Jag, God bless you for standing with me with your knowledge. I am waiting myself for the questions to be answered. As you know they have selected areas of focus and this is what I want this individual to bring out into the open. Your knowledge within your selected faith is admirable and honorable and I am blessed to have your replies.
     
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    Jag, God bless you for standing with me with your knowledge. I am waiting myself for the questions to be answered. As you know they have selected areas of focus and this is what I want this individual to bring out into the open. Your knowledge within your selected faith is admirable and honorable and I am blessed to have your replies.
    My dear Rick, It is my pleasure to stand by with other Christians who desire truth. I can quote Qu'ran to compare the bible, yet there are so many lies in the Qu'ran about God (YHWH) and Yahshua (Christ, Son of God) and counterattack it with Truth.And I can even show how evil Islam is by showing how so contradiction the Qu'ran is, and show it with my knowledge.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
     
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