Israel is Babylon the Great!

[Gottservant]

Bible FACT: Jesus revealed that the "tares" exist.

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Bible FACT: After Jesus' future "thousand years" reign over all nations, He will JUDGE all the unsaved and condemn those who refuse His Salvation to the "lake of fire", and those condemned represent the "tares"!

The fact is people are reading into Revelation all kinds of things, when the book of Revelation is not meant as a reference, its meant as an explication of Biblical terms - the principalities and powers that determine the end.

When Jesus calls out 'tares', He does not say "You sir, are the tare!" - this is muddle headed theology!

Everyone gets judged, you are right - and everyone that plays the Judge, but the Judge is condemned?

 

[Davy]

The fact is people are reading into Revelation all kinds of things, when the book of Revelation is not meant as a reference, its meant as an explication of Biblical terms - the principalities and powers that determine the end.

When Jesus calls out 'tares', He does not say "You sir, are the tare!" - this is muddle headed theology!

Everyone gets judged, you are right - and everyone that plays the Judge, but the Judge is condemned?

You simply don't have a clue... of what The Word of God actually teaches. You speak about things you know not of.

 

[Marty fox]

First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

I will give 3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:
Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:
Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
Jerusalem killed Jesus: Luke 13:33
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 does not mean Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "The great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also mean Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not mean Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:
Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.
To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: (removed)

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media, politics and many other areas. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as advanced as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, Washington was a Zionist. Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, (removed)

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Conclusion:
Since Israel is Babylon the Great, it means that Israel no longer belongs to God. Jesus declared that the Jews have lost the kingdom of God (Matthew 21:43) and he called them devil's children (John 8:44). And the Bible prophesies the final destruction of Babylon by the Antichrist (Rev 17:16-17).

All this means that dispensationalism must be false and Fulfillment Theology is true. Fulfillment Theology is often called "replacement theology" by dispensationalists. The Bible declares that the true descendants of Abraham, and thus the heirs of the promises, are the Christians (Galatians 3:29), which confirms the Fulfillment Theology.

Thank you for reading this far. This knowledge was given to me by Jesus Christ. All praise is due to Him.

I agree with most of this post but instead of saying Israel it’s actually apostate Israel in the first century.

Jerusalem is both a literal city and the people of the first century city

 

[TribulationSigns]

I agree with most of this post but instead of saying Israel it’s actually apostate Israel in the first century.

Jerusalem is both a literal city and the people of the first century city

Both of you have misunderstood the interpretation of Babylon/Jerusalem. It is not a physical city, and the physical stones of the city were not responsible for the blood of the Saints. Rather, it is the people of Congregation Israel, whether in the old or new testament, depending on the context. Specifically, those with the spirit of antichrist, the unsaved professed believers, WITHIN the congregation are responsible for the blood of the prophets and saints who bring Truthful Testimony.

In Revelation 18, the mystery of Babylon the Great refers to the New Testament congregation that has become a harlot prior to the Second Coming. It is not a physical city that existed in 70 AD or one that sits on 7 literal hills of Rome. Selah.

 

[Jericho]

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl in the Deutsche Zeitung: The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.

Dubious quote. Here's another: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Israel cheated with the mother of harlots.

The mother of harlots is the mother of the Gods israel worshiped instead of the one true God.

so Babylon can not be Israel

 

[Jack]

Guess where Jesus will return to and fight for.

Zechariah 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

 

[John839]

Dubious quote. Here's another: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." -Abraham Lincoln.

That quote is real.

 

[Jericho]

That quote is real.

Source?

 

[John839]

Source?

I can't post a link.

Think about it: Who controls the USA controls the world.

Why did Trump visit the western wail with a kippa? Why did his daughter mary a jew and converted to Judaism?
Why did all three children of Biden marry jews? Why did he say on TV he is a Zionist?
Why did Bill Clinton's daughter mary a Jew? Why did his wife visit several times the western wail?
Why were all US presidents Zionists?

Man, I dont know how much signs you want. I believe, even if Joe Biden himself would say on TV that Israel controls the world, you still wouldnt believe me.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Guess where Jesus will return to and fight for.

Zechariah 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Fulfilled at the FIRST coming. Not something in the future where Lord "returns" which is mentioned in Zechariah 14. The context is about the fall of Old Testament congregation, the splitting of mountains (kingdom) so that the remanent of the OT Jews could flee into the New Testament congregation spiritually where they could start observing the feast of the Tabernacle with the Gentiles believers in Christ's established millennial kingdom through the Church. For Christ is the TRUE tabernacle.

Hebrews 8:2

• "A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man."

The feast of Tabernacles was a ceremony to teach the nations the Biblical history of redemption and remains as a perpetual feast for all the elect today. In Old Testament Israel, the people pitched tabernacles in the wilderness, but the true tabernacle that it pointed to, was Christ. And there is ample evidence to show that Zechariah chapter 14 is an introduction to the millennial period when Christ establishes His Kingdom in the liberation of Jerusalem, and becomes king over all the earth as the nations keep His laws. The type that the feast of booths typified has been fulfilled in Christ. The Lord has done all that is necessary to bring His Covenant people into a full relationship with Christ. The only completion that remains is the end of the world, in the opening of the tabernacle in heaven. For now we will dwell in His divine presence on earth, and hold in remembrance our deliverance from bondage, in these tabernacles of flesh.

The millennial Kingdom through the Church since Pentecost is a Feast of the Tabernacles. Not something to observe in the future 1,000 years kingdom in the Middle East.

A Study on The Feast of Tabernacles

 

[Jack]

Fulfilled at the FIRST coming. Not something in the future where Lord "returns" which is mentioned in Zechariah 14. The context is about the fall of Old Testament congregation, the splitting of mountains (kingdom) so that the remanent of the OT Jews could flee into the New Testament congregation spiritually where they could start observing the feast of the Tabernacle with the Gentiles believers in Christ's established millennial kingdom through the Church. For Christ is the TRUE tabernacle.

Hebrews 8:2

• "A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man."

The feast of Tabernacles was a ceremony to teach the nations the Biblical history of redemption and remains as a perpetual feast for all the elect today. In Old Testament Israel, the people pitched tabernacles in the wilderness, but the true tabernacle that it pointed to, was Christ. And there is ample evidence to show that Zechariah chapter 14 is an introduction to the millennial period when Christ establishes His Kingdom in the liberation of Jerusalem, and becomes king over all the earth as the nations keep His laws. The type that the feast of booths typified has been fulfilled in Christ. The Lord has done all that is necessary to bring His Covenant people into a full relationship with Christ. The only completion that remains is the end of the world, in the opening of the tabernacle in heaven. For now we will dwell in His divine presence on earth, and hold in remembrance our deliverance from bondage, in these tabernacles of flesh.

The millennial Kingdom through the Church since Pentecost is a Feast of the Tabernacles. Not something to observe in the future 1,000 years kingdom in the Middle East.

A Study on The Feast of Tabernacles

Preterist? You've got quite an imagination.

Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[John839]

According to Rev 18:17, with the destruction of Babylon, the wealth of the world will also perish, which is why the nations will weep for Babylon's demise (Rev 18:9).

Now think, what nation in the world would cause a world economic crisis if it suddenly ceased to exist? The USA. Because the American dollar currency keeps the world stable. But if the USA goes down, the dollar will also die. Can you imagine what would happen in the world if the dollar died? It would be a terrible world economic crisis, because if the dollar dies, every other currency is also dead. Billions of people would lose their fortunes! Without the USA, the world will collapse economically.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Preterist? You've got quite an imagination.

So you think I am a Preterist? LOL, not at all. YOu need to start examining with Scripture instead of labeling people.

Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Congratulations on quoting a Scripture, BUT the real question now is, what have you done to it? Have you let God define His own terms, or have you "read into" these scriptures a humanistic theory of a nuclear bomb AS IF that is straight from the mouth of God and the only thing that would qualify as fulfillment, humm? Let read the verse together:

Zechariah 14:12

• "And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

Note it says "plague" not a nuclear blast. See that word plague, yes? That means we should define plagues by scripture, not by current events, televangelist prognosticators, or Popular Science! We don't privately interpret a plague to mean a nuclear blast. If God had wanted to say great massive nuclear explosion created spectacular damage, He would have said that. For He knows "the end from the beginning." We also know the Biblical principle that the scriptures are not subject to our own private interpretation. If we're going to privately interpret flesh consuming away while people stand upon their feet, why not God bringing the Sun closer toward the earth to do it? I mean, if we're just going to guess at it. Why not have fire from heaven coming down and doing it? Why not have aliens from another planet coming with laser ray guns to do it? Why not have acid rain get so bad that it eats our flesh away? Why? Because the scriptures are not subject to our immaginations, fears, theories, myths, or private interpretations. Get it?! It is subject only to itself. Therefore, scripture is its own interpreter and its own dictionary. Thus it will be plagues as defined in God's Word, not as defined by the movie, "late great planet earth" or sundry authors. We define loss of eyes as illustrated in God's word, not by man's ideas of earthly blinding. We then see the loss of tongue (language) or speech as defined in God's word, not as defined by man's "vivid" imagination.

If you are going to quote Scripture, be prepared to explain it yourself! Now here is your homework, since you quoted the verse. Tell me what the verse talks about about the eyes being consumed away in their holes, and tongue shall consume away in their mouth. HOW? Tell me if you know the Biblical answer to it! Not speculations!

Looking forward to your answer.

 

[Jack]

So you think I am a Preterist? LOL, not at all. YOu need to start examining with Scripture instead of labeling people.


Congratulations on quoting a Scripture, BUT the real question now is, what have you done to it? Have you let God define His own terms, or have you "read into" these scriptures a humanistic theory of a nuclear bomb AS IF that is straight from the mouth of God and the only thing that would qualify as fulfillment, humm? Let read the verse together:

Zechariah 14:12

• "And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

Note it says "plague" not a nuclear blast. See that word plague, yes? That means we should define plagues by scripture, not by current events, televangelist prognosticators, or Popular Science! We don't privately interpret a plague to mean a nuclear blast. If God had wanted to say great massive nuclear explosion created spectacular damage, He would have said that. For He knows "the end from the beginning." We also know the Biblical principle that the scriptures are not subject to our own private interpretation. If we're going to privately interpret flesh consuming away while people stand upon their feet, why not God bringing the Sun closer toward the earth to do it? I mean, if we're just going to guess at it. Why not have fire from heaven coming down and doing it? Why not have aliens from another planet coming with laser ray guns to do it? Why not have acid rain get so bad that it eats our flesh away? Why? Because the scriptures are not subject to our immaginations, fears, theories, myths, or private interpretations. Get it?! It is subject only to itself. Therefore, scripture is its own interpreter and its own dictionary. Thus it will be plagues as defined in God's Word, not as defined by the movie, "late great planet earth" or sundry authors. We define loss of eyes as illustrated in God's word, not by man's ideas of earthly blinding. We then see the loss of tongue (language) or speech as defined in God's word, not as defined by man's "vivid" imagination.

If you are going to quote Scripture, be prepared to explain it yourself! Now here is your homework, since you quoted the verse. Tell me what the verse talks about about the eyes being consumed away in their holes, and tongue shall consume away in their mouth. HOW? Tell me if you know the Biblical answer to it! Not speculations!

Looking forward to your answer.

So when did this happen???

"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

 

[TribulationSigns]

So when did this happen???

"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

Well, you can't answer my question. What is YOUR understanding of the Scripture since YOU quoted it? Can't gainsay or resist?

 

[Jack]

Well, you can't answer my question. What is YOUR understanding of the Scripture since YOU quoted it? Can't gainsay or resist?

You said it already happened. WHEN?

 

[TribulationSigns]

You said it already happened. WHEN?

If you claimed that I said it already happened, when do you think I said it happened? (Chuckle) Read my previous posts!

AND you have not YET answered my question concerning what you think the verse actually talks about. Quit with evasive tactics.

 

[Jack]

If you claimed that I said it already happened, when do you think I said it happened? (Chuckle) Read my previous posts!

You said it was fulfilled at His first coming. Give us Scripture. When did this happen?

Zechariah 14
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;

AND you have not YET answered my question concerning what you think the verse actually talks about. Quit with evasive tactics.

"Give us Scripture. When did this happen?"

 

[TribulationSigns]

You said it was fulfilled at His first coming.

Hallelujah! See if you read my post slow and carefully, you will find the answer.

Give us Scripture. When did this happen?

Zechariah 14
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;

"Give us Scripture. When did this happen?"

Hold on. You are going all over. Please read my post where I have already explained what Zechariah 14 is generally about before you respond with a verse that I asked you to explain it yourself FIRST to see if you know what you are talking about or even have an understanding that you believe would REFUTE my position. You have NOT yet! So I am not going to play with your silly evasive game, so please be a man and answer my question concerning the verse YOU quoted and explain YOURSELF first! Otherwise, you do not know a blip what the verse is about!

In case you don't know what I am talking about, then check the post here. Hopefully, you will read it slowly and carefully as well!