Israel is the Church

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Waiting on him

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Well, you need to study what scholars and linguists say and compare the versions.

Last I looked the KJV have fallen to third place and the NIV to first.

John Ankerberg Show (KJV vs New Translations) - YouTube
I will say this, from what I’ve read so far NIV was released in 78 is that coincidence that’s about the time I saw this country really make a fast decent from the truth. All these new age churches.
 
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You have thrown a lot into the mix there.

The promises of God given to Abraham the father of Israel (the chosen) was that He would be a blessing to "all nations" not just Israel. But the chosen nation of Israel in services to God lit the way ("as a light unto the gentiles"). Which, for a time, put all nations against Israel. But in the end the promise to Abraham to be a blessing to all nations, after Christ came to save Israel, He then has come to save us...the gentiles, also. So, no more are we against the chosen, but One with them, in Christ.

Agree. One with them, in Christ.
 
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Israel IS the Church <---> OP

Disagree.

Israel is the a CHOSEN people.

The CHURCH is a "GRAFTED" branch of people, "GRAFTED" into the "Chosen" people.

Not the other way around.

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You sound just like Hitler to me.

Chosen race ! ?

What race ! ? Jews are not a race.

If they were a chosen race then all the Semitic people would be, would they not ? but fact is that the Hebrews are just one of the tribes out of all the Semites.

So it's not about a race but a spiritual gift to know God, so why do Satanist peddle the race card, or do you think that God made it that there is one race who lords it over every other race and that the other races don't mean jack.

Would not God want all people to come to him, like Jesus says.

To try to look for all the people of the blood line of the Tribe of Israel is insanity, where does one start ? not to mention who is more pure ? or even if such were so, the fact remains that back in the days they had people who were of Satan within the Tribe, so it's not about the race of the Tribe at all, it has to do with the Spirit and when Jesus came he is the Holy Spirit incarnate.

Hitler and his Nazi mates like Rosenberg etc went on about such things to do with the earliest history in depth way before even the Jews came about and so forth and to some gibberish about Atlantis etc being a superior race and that all the rulers of the world etc are related etc etc. now after WW2 the Governments were desperate to hide many such things as such the Nazis were on about and worked to supress all such stuff.
I went looking into such thinking that all the doors would be open to look into such but I only found total hostility at every turn, they would yell at me why do you want to know that ! well I want to be educated on subjects and not be ignorant like a fool. basically they were truly saying that I did not have the right to know anything but only what they wanted me to know.
Thing is I do not care what anyone thinks and I will do my own research on anything that I please, thank you very much ! they are intituled to their own opinion but to stand in my way and dictate what I was looking into, such was not what I thought was my rights that were won in WW2, well that's what I thought that our Nations people were fighting for.

Now that was like 30 years ago that I had an interest in dabbling in such and I remember talking to the old people who were in WW2 that their family would stand over their old dads, saying don't you dare talk about that stuff to me and one who was on his last legs he sure as hell did want to talk about such with me, because he knew that I was interested and cared to listen, but the family members did not care at all and never wanted to hear such talking.

Most people are just ignorant and they like it that way because it's bliss ! and then they ask when things go wrong why is this happing ? because they are an idiot in a ship of fools.
I think it best to try and understand everything that matters within the world so I have some handle on what is truly going on.
But I found, boy do people love to be ignorant.
 
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The time of the gentiles is over when the church is raptured and then the tribulation, when God turns His full attention to save Israel.
When Jesus came the two became one I thought, their is nether Jew or Gentile under Christ Jesus who is the King of Israel and the Son of God.
So when the time comes God will save Israel, by Israel that means True Christians. not stupid God less or Anti-Christ so called Jews.

You have Anti-Christ being looked up to nowadays and the fact is that such people are the problem in the world nowadays because they reject God in fact, Christianity is under attack within and out nowadays with so much BS 24/7 even the governments are against Jesus being the Christ, can you see that !
Not to mention that the Governments are totally grovelling in serving Islamic interest and the Jews, both who are in fact Anti-Christ ! they are just worldly mans works morons that will always fail, as such always has through out history and anyone who serves such is only going to cause Hellfire and such a Soul will go to Hell for ever.
They are a curse people and Christians should not abide in any Anti-Christ or you will become a marked man.
 
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When Jesus came the two became one I thought, their is nether Jew or Gentile under Christ Jesus who is the King of Israel and the Son of God.
So when the time comes God will save Israel, by Israel that means True Christians. not stupid God less or Anti-Christ so called Jews.

You have Anti-Christ being looked up to nowadays and the fact is that such people are the problem in the world nowadays because they reject God in fact, Christianity is under attack within and out nowadays with so much BS 24/7 even the governments are against Jesus being the Christ, can you see that !
Not to mention that the Governments are totally grovelling in serving Islamic interest and the Jews, both who are in fact Anti-Christ ! they are just worldly mans works morons that will always fail, as such always has through out history and anyone who serves such is only going to cause Hellfire and such a Soul will go to Hell for ever.
They are a curse people and Christians should not abide in any Anti-Christ or you will become a marked man.

There will be no Jew or Gentile, male or female, white or black and so on in the new Jerusalem.

On this earth both will exists until the destruction of the Heavens and the earth after the MK.
 
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You sound just like Hitler to me. Chosen race ! ?
What race ! ? Jews are not a race.

I said nothing about Hitler or Race.

Ignoring your rant, directed to me, that has nothing to do with anything I posted.
 

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Those God removed from Israel in Romans 11.

If so, to whom are the broken off believers grafted into upon believing in Christ? Themselves?


Rom 11
[23] And they also,
if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again

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Rom 11
[23] And they also,
if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again

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Grafted into unbeliving broken off former Israel? Or into believing Israel in Christ?
 

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Grafted into unbeliving broken off former Israel?

Yes. Israel, Gods People, (portions) broken off, who return to Belief, shall be returned, as Gods People.

Or into believing Israel in Christ?

Believing ISRAEL, believe in Gods Word, believe in Gods Messiah; but primarily DO NOT BELIEVE, Jesus IS the Word of God or their Christ Messiah.

THEY ^^ can COME TO Belief IN Jesus or Not. MOST are STILL Blinded and Some Have, and call themselves Messanic Jews. Many WILL come into Belief IN Christ Jesus During the end days Tribulation.
 
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Yes. Israel, Gods People, (portions) broken off, who return to Belief, shall be returned, as Gods People.



Believing ISRAEL, believe in Gods Word, believe in Gods Messiah; but primarily DO NOT BELIEVE, Jesus IS the Word of God or their Christ Messiah.

THEY ^^ can COME TO Belief IN Jesus or Not. MOST are STILL Blinded and Some Have, and call themselves Messanic Jews. Many WILL come into Belief IN Christ Jesus During the end days Tribulation.
They have the spirit of Antichrist and believe in a false god. Jesus is YAHWEH in the New Covenant.
 

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I said nothing about Hitler or Race.

Ignoring your rant, directed to me, that has nothing to do with anything I posted.
Yes it has Chosen people ? what's that ! you are talking about a race in your mind and you have claimed that they are a Race before.

Many nowadays are putting the Jews up as a people to be idolised, even above Jesus Christ now.:rolleyes:

Most have no idea who or what type of Jew they are talking about at all:oops:. sadly nor do they truly care at all.:confused:

Oh they may know the differences in Christians and carry on like a pork chop, but when it comes to the Jews all must be idolised totally without question, or they will try to claim one is deluded or worse and never truly bother to listen.

Ha ha ! I have had many a idiot so called Christian claim that I am a Jew, it's like oh no a Jew can never be a Christian ! and they are adamant about it and even dedicated atheist who claim the same in the same tone yelling at me and wanting to bash me up, if they could but only out of fear they did not, because they knew they would get the wrong end of the stick.

They do not listen, they think that I am like them and just claiming to be a Christian for the hell of it.
So why would one claiming to be a Christian say that Jews can not become Christians ?
Don't they know of the first Christians were all Israelite Jews in fact.
Not to mention that Israel came into it's true being when Jesus Christ became their King.
There is no two books so much say, as they are both as one book fulfilled and the OT serves as a blueprint to the NT.
So a True Christian knows who and what he is coming from, he does not toss the OT away. or create another identity of OT people.
The Jews of today are not of the OT they have the Talmud added too, that is poising that well, that is called the Jews nowadays.

Any person who claims to be a Christian and looks to the Talmud is a total moron, but the problem is most do not understand even what the Talmud is, nor could they be bothered to look into such at all because they love to be ignorant.

So I knowing who the Talmud is all about, I do get upset when some knuckle head claims that I am one of them satanic bastards, not to mention I do not support anyone who rejects Jesus Christ. sadly nowadays supporting Jesus Christ is a Sin one would think the way the world is going now.
You can hang all your hate on Jesus Christ nowadays and no one will flinch, but direct anything against Islam or so called clowns claiming to be Jews and it's a capital crime. it's like oh no ! :eek: someone is pointing it out for what it truly is and Satanist hate the truth and will go to any lengths to stop the truth from coming out, just like back in the days of Jesus, they ran around threating anyone who mentioned anything about Salvation and that type of prick is coming back. Communist forbid such and Socialist work to undermine such.
 

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Yes it has Chosen people ? what's that ! you are talking about a race in your mind and you have claimed that they are a Race before.

Numerous Individuals personally have connection to the identity of the term JEW.

It does not mean that ALL identifying with the term JEW means their connection is ALL the same or they Believe the exact Same things.

The TERM "JEW" has been associated with:
A religion, race, culture, ethnicity, Nation, People, Israelites, Tribes, Judah, Children of Israel, secular, and soforth.

One of those TERMS may be acceptable to Some and Offensive to others.

If the term Race is not acceptable to you, for a Jew in the US, the term RACE would be acceptable pertaining to a CASE before the US Supreme Court.

The rest of your post is all over the place with your opinions regarding numerous eras and people. Not interested in addressing your points.

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Disagree.



Disagree.
“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)
 

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“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Agree with Scripture.
Do not agree Jesus' name is Yahweh.

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Is Jesus the Son of God? Then His Father is Yahweh.
If you know any Greek, consider this;
kurios is Greek for Jehovah/YAHWEH

“And God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the Lord (kurios).” Exodus 6:2 (LES = Septuagint)

“God spoke to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD [YHWH].” Exodus 6:2 (ESV)

“but Paul chose Silas and departed, having been commended by the brothers to the grace of the Lord.” Acts 15:40 (ESV)

“And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.” Acts 15:40 (KJV 1900)

So again we see God and Lord used interchangably. Also in 2 Peter 2:1 and 2 Peter 2:11.

The Greek word kurios is equivalent to the Hebrew word Yahweh or Jehovah when speaking of Jesus. This is the divine name for God. Jesus Christ is designated as the Lord in many New Testament references. This is the consistent truth of Scripture - Jesus is Yahweh or Jehovah.


kurios = Jehovah in Exodus 6:2 in the LXX. Translated Lord 3,151 times in the NT as upper case Lord = Jehovah.

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“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)