Once again, you are twisting the intention of my words. But that is not the real problem that I have with your replies. What I am doing is quoting from the bible and commenting on it. You also are doing the same. So far so good. But what we are doing is simply playing paper covers rock with the bible. The letter to the Galatians was not my idea. Paul wrote it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It says what it says. If we want to enter into life, we do it by faith and not by keeping the commandments. That is what it says.IBeMe said:You seem oblivious of the consequence of scripture twisting.
You're actually saying that Jesus is commanding Christians to fall back to Satan.
williemac; "However, if one obeys His commandments in order to keep his salvation, (equal to salvation by works) then yes, he is following after a doctrine contrived in the old covenant and brought into our covenant through the craftiness of Satan...in my humble opinion."
williemac; " Therefore, as we can see from Galatians, a believer who falls back into works of law for justification is in fact falling back to Satan. "
Again, I ask.
A: Do you stand by your teaching which ultimately declares that Jesus is leading Christians to Satan?
B: Have you realized you've fallen into extreme error in understanding of the scriptures?
Which is it?
Again, this isn't a personal attack against you.
When a person is teaching that doing what Jesus says to do will lead to Satan ... it must be pointed out for the benefit of all.
Let's not overlook the, "IF".
"But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."
Do we love one another, if we're walking in sin?
Do we love Jesus, if we're walking in sin?
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: ...
Why not just do what Jesus says?
Do we have a choice?
... but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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So now we are looking at two places in scripture that say the opposite thing. That is why you and I are in this debate on opposite sides. We are laying our foundation on two differing and opposing principles. So which one is right?
In regards to this question of yours.....A: Do you stand by your teaching which ultimately declares that Jesus is leading Christians to Satan?
First things first. My teaching? Sorry, but I am not teaching anything. I am sharing what the bible says on the subject of salvation. But I cannot stand by your incredulous comment. Would anyone ever even dare to say that Jesus is leading Christians to Satan? C'mon, bro, snap out of it! You are the one who is making the opinionated connection to that. You are doing it to draw attention to what you feel is error in my understanding. I get that.
But I am declaring that you are choosing to use tunnel vision to stand by your understanding. Most, if not all of Paul's letters, contain the revelation that under the new covenant, we receive life by way of faith in the work and sacrifice of Jesus. And Paul specifically attacks the attempt to receive justification, salvation, or life, through the keeping of any commandments of law. You might want to ask Paul those questions you ask of me.
So then, you are hanging your position and argument on something that was said under the time frame of the old covenant, while ignoring the further revelations in scripture that things changed when Jesus died. The way to life changed both when Jesus died and because He died and rose again. This is our confidence of which you kindly quoted.
This was not my idea. I merely discovered it in the bible, along with the majority of Christendom, I might add. (refer to the above reply, as well). You are in a huge minority of those who refuse to go any further than Jesus' few comments about justification. Even Jesus Himself made contrary statements to the ones you are quoting. Your head is buried deep in the sand, my friend. It was probably placed there by your teachers and mentors. Run away from them. They are selling you a cause for boasting.
Another connection you are making is the one that all of this will lead people to sin. That is an assumption. The bible has never excused sin. God has merely changed the consequences of it from wrath, to chastening for those who are His by faith. The consequences of wrath remain the same for those who have not accepted the free gift of life, and do not have the Son by faith. But in Jesus' own words, those who are of faith will not come under judgment to condemnation, have everlasting life, and have passed from death to life (John5:24). Sounds like He contradicts His own words? No, He is speaking of the new covenant in His blood. That is His choice and His business. Take it up with Him if you don't like it!