It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[mjrhealth]

Came in to comment..... saw the mass war taking place.... slowly backing out with hands up in surrende

And I though you where brave. They have really good body armour these days, going to need it as teh world falls into oblivion.

 

[Mjh29]

Yeah. I'd rather say nothing and let people think I'm smart than speak up and prove them wrong lol

 

[mjrhealth]

His Voice is still heard. The Church you despise does not exist.

It does that why we are having this discussion. And if you heard His voice than,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

And you have not come our so therfore you have not heard.

 

[bbyrd009]

It does that why we are having this discussion. And if you heard His voice than,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

And you have not come our so therfore you have not heard.

yikes mjr, why do you condemn like this, i don't get it lol. Even if you are aware of some counterfeit church that kepha is not, for all you know this is entirely because kepha has just been blessed with a sanctified congregation, and cannot even fathom the dragon that we can see plainly, because of our desire to condemn. Naivete is not a crime, nor is it a sin.

Now granted i suspect this perspective myself, but that is on me, not him. You might find yourself in the position of exposing a proverbial chaste virgin or little child to, say, the raunchier side of bondage porn or something, lol. Does bondage porn exist? Yes, but that is not the point.

 

[mjrhealth]

yikes mjr, why do you condemn like this,

Condemn?? Can you imagine how it would be if you where getting teh flue, and your bodies defences decided to give up, its too hard the disease keeps coming back, how long do you think you would live. Christianity is riddled with this disease called "religion" so few oppose it, its killing up but people dont care.

Naivete is not a crime, nor is it a sin.

Quiet agree until lone starts proclaiming

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

 

[bbyrd009]

imo that should have nothing to do with you; at least until you render a judgement upon it. Why not let the dead bury the dead, and recognize that Christ does the same? Iow a counterfeit must exist in order for there to even be a "real thing." If people flock to the counterfeit because it serves their desire, then at least they are revealed to you; and when it fails their need, they will def be more open to your positions if they have not been judged imo. Otherwise it seems that you just become part of the problem.

Iow God asks "Who told you that you were naked?" See, God is not condemning anyone in that sense; but you may be.

 

[mjrhealth]

See, God is not condemning anyone in that sense; but you may be.

Condeming??

Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

The truth will always upset those who do not walk in it, for .

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I didnt come here to change teh religious, God forbid, Jesus who came in demonstration of signs and wonders of teh power of God could not convince the religious. They just wanted to Kill Him, they preffered there religions, there traditions there doctrines there laws theer rules and so rejected Christ as so many religious men still do today, nothing has changed,

Does that offend you.

 

[eldios]

so why is it believed and accepted that Mary had children other than Jesus - twinc

The "virgin" in Isaiah 7: 14 was misinterpreted to mean the visible mother Mary that the visible body named Jesus was birthed from. The true meaning of the word "virgin" in that verse is the invisible Holy Spirit where all created men were born invisibly. The Holy Spirit is described as "woman" in these following prophecies;

Genesis 3
15: I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Revelation 12
10: And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.
11: And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.
12: Rejoice then, O heaven and you that dwell therein! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!"
13: And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child.
14: But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.
15: The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood.
16: But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth.
17: Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Revelation 17
1: Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters,
2: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk."
3: And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.
4: The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication;
5: and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations."
6: And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.
7: But the angel said to me, "Why marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her.
8: The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition; and the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will marvel to behold the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
9: This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;
10: they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while.
11: As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition.
12: And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.
13: These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast;
14: they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful."
15: And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
16: And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
17: for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18: And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth."

 

[bbyrd009]

Condeming??

Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

The truth will always upset those who do not walk in it, for .

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I didnt come here to change teh religious, God forbid, Jesus who came in demonstration of signs and wonders of teh power of God could not convince the religious. They just wanted to Kill Him, they preffered there religions, there traditions there doctrines there laws theer rules and so rejected Christ as so many religious men still do today, nothing has changed,

Does that offend you.

ok well imo careful that you don't just make yourself another religion with that, i'm pretty sure i could pretty easily make your statement "I didnt come here to change teh religious" into a lie, ok. What does it matter if your doctrine is good, if you are still dwelling in death?

Of course IRL i would just give you a wide berth, because after all who wants to be cornered into some statement, "yes, i am offended," and then hear you misrepresent Scripture so as to wrap yourself in some more glory lol, it's just better to avoid you entirely.

But this is a forum, and i know that you are a seeker, so i would just ask you to consider your approach, not saying i am any better there. If you consider it your mission to make people feel condemned or guilty, lol, hey, i can get that from most any pastor, tyvm.

 

[mjrhealth]

i can get that from most any pastor, tyvm.

Quiet agree, and so many are going to have to answer for it all

consider it your mission to make people feel condemned or guilty

Telling the truth will always make those who believe teh lie feel condmned, would you have me stop telling teh truth???

Once you have stood with Christ its like

Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

no one is better than another. none of us

 

[Mjh29]

Quiet agree, and so many are going to have to answer for it all



Telling the truth will always make those who believe teh lie feel condmned, would you have me stop telling teh truth???

Once you have stood with Christ its like

Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

no one is better than another. none of us

When you can get the Calvinist to agree, you know you're doin somthing right lol
I agree completely. The truth offends people, because it demamds 2 things
1. There is a moral code higher than their own... THERE IS A STANDARD
2. They must conform to that standard, which when they see they dont, naturally they will be infuriated.

 

[bbyrd009]

Quiet agree, and so many are going to have to answer for it all



Telling the truth will always make those who believe teh lie feel condmned, would you have me stop telling teh truth???

Once you have stood with Christ its like

Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

no one is better than another. none of us

well, you sure sound like you think you are better wadr, but i am familiar with the pride that comes from some new insight ok. Everyone will have to answer; none will escape judgement. So it seems that you envision some "so many" that you personally are exempt from, or something.

When you can get the Calvinist to agree, you know you're doin somthing right lol
I agree completely. The truth offends people, because it demamds 2 things
1. There is a moral code higher than their own... THERE IS A STANDARD
2. They must conform to that standard, which when they see they dont, naturally they will be infuriated.

i would ask who is this "they" that you speak of, that mjr usually relates to others as? And what standard must "they" conform to? Aren't those standards recorded for you? Do you realize that you are claiming here to be the arbiter of standards? Do you think that is the most humble approach?

 

[Mjh29]

well, you sure sound like you think you are better wadr, but i am familiar with the pride that comes from some new insight ok. Everyone will have to answer; none will escape judgement. So it seems that you envision some "so many" that you personally are exempt from, or something.
i would ask who is this "they" that you speak of, that mjr usually relates to others as? And what standard must "they" conform to? Aren't those standards recorded for you? Do you realize that you are claiming here to be the arbiter of standards? Do you think that is the most humble approach?

"They" are all outside the faith, or those who are stumbling

Me? The arbiter of standards? Hahah... no. Not at all, my friend.
The Bible is the objective truth for all men. We must all conform to it. It is the rule for all mankind.

 

[Mjh29]

And I though you where brave. They have really good body armour these days, going to need it as teh world falls into oblivion.

I BRAVES TODAY! lol

 

[bbyrd009]

"They" are all outside the faith, or those who are stumbling

Me? The arbiter of standards? Hahah... no. Not at all, my friend.
The Bible is the objective truth for all men. We must all conform to it. It is the rule for all mankind.

come now, surely you have some "objective" standards from Scripture that you believe i must adhere to in order to (gasp) not be considered one of "them" by you; let's hear one. Any one.

 

[bbyrd009]

And I though you where brave. They have really good body armour these days, going to need it as teh world falls into oblivion.

:rolleyes
got a date for us or what lol

 

[Mjh29]

come now, surely you have some "objective" standards from Scripture that you believe i must adhere to in order to (gasp) not be considered one of "them" by you; let's hear one. Any one.

Well, since you ASKED.... the entire Scriptures. As a Christian, I was drafted into the Lords army. Scripture is my rulebook for EVERY AREA OF LIFE!
Politics, Marriage, friendships, church, home, education, work, love, laws, how to act, when and when not to speak, how to defend mh faith, the origin of life, the origin of sin, the origin of death, what is and what isnt sin; any question I have, in one way or another, can and is answered by the Words of God, therefore:
If my question are anwered by my prophet,preist, and king, as well as my final judge, that makes this my final standard.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, since you ASKED.... the entire Scriptures. As a Christian, I was drafted into the Lords army. Scripture is my rulebook for EVERY AREA OF LIFE!
Politics, Marriage, friendships, church, home, education, work, love, laws, how to act, when and when not to speak, how to defend mh faith, the origin of life, the origin of sin, the origin of death, what is and what isnt sin; any question I have, in one way or another, can and is answered by the Words of God, therefore:
If my question are anwered by my prophet,preist, and king, as well as my final judge, that makes this my final standard.

if you would but actually provide an example, i might illustrate that there is no objective truth, none whatsoever, in Scripture. Whatever truth you might quote as a guide, i will quote a truth that calls it into question. Without fail. 100%. Guaranteed. Let's try it, if you doubt me.

 

[mjrhealth]

if you would but actually provide an example, i might illustrate that there is no objective truth, none whatsoever, in Scripture. Whatever truth you might quote as a guide, i will quote a truth that calls it into question. Without fail. 100%. Guaranteed. Let's try it, if you doubt me.

There is only one truth, Jesus Christ, as for pride Jesus wont allow that in a man, we are humbled in His precence. You have a choice as do all men, Jesus or religion, only one saves.

 

[Mjh29]

John 15:13-14King James Version (KJV)
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Who has Jesus laid His life down for? Those who do whatsoever he commands.