I've just had my first dose of Covid vaccine!

[Cristo Rei]

Actually just the reverse of what you are saying is true.

They've had the cancer patients which the mRNA vaccines have been used on for the past decade. Most of the vaccine effect is gone after a month except for the antibodies and your body's continued reaction to the virus.

What the virus is going to do to you antivaxxers is going to be of enormous interest to the scientists.
Just like those guys they infected with syphilis who were studied over the years...you guys are willingly going to infect yourselves with this virus and be great study material for decades to come.

If I were you I'd volunteer and at least get paid to be a study subject.

Ok...

Talk to me about the immorality of it. Cos the rest is irrelevant to me once it becomes an immoral act, an unethical act, an illegal act when they force.

iv given u a tough one to justify i reckon... Gotta hit the sack now so il tune in later on

 

[Deborah_]

Watersong / Josho-
ON Topic- Vaccine- Cost associated with Vaccine.
Vaccine Appears initially to BE FREE to Consumer.
Consumer Liable for Vaccine Cost through Middleman Govt. Taxation

But that's very different from paying for it directly. Yes, I've paid for my vaccine indirectly, through paying tax (because I'm rich enough to pay tax). But my taxes also help to pay for the vaccines of all those who are too poor to pay tax. They really do get it for free!
And this system also means that hospital staff gain no personal benefit from "pushing" vaccination (or any other treatment, for that matter). They will be paid the same, regardless of how many people turn up for it.

 

[Taken]

But that's very different from paying for it directly. Yes, I've paid for my vaccine indirectly, through paying tax (because I'm rich enough to pay tax). But my taxes also help to pay for the vaccines of all those who are too poor to pay tax. They really do get it for free!
And this system also means that hospital staff gain no personal benefit from "pushing" vaccination (or any other treatment, for that matter). They will be paid the same, regardless of how many people turn up for it.

I'm aware how the tax system works.
The point was about "trials experimenting" on humans of a new medicine being manufactured and dispensed, opposed to a historical proved Medicine Humans have taken for generations.

 

[Taken]

As for me, I will have to wait a couple months at least I reckon, covid vaccines, they are going to give healthcare workers and aged care residents covid vaccines first in Australia, this will happen later this month, I will have to wait a few months to get the vaccine I reckon, I think they will probably time it to be available to everyone here in Australia, just before Winter comes.

I will take it though, because why not? Let's put an end to this pandemic...

Why not? Your choice, as it should be any others choice, the WHY for choice of you or anyone else...irrelevant.

An Agent of an Organized Entity, announced A Pandemic.

Not everyone is in agreement with that Entity's Findings, Directed Representative spokesman or Ethics.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm aware how the tax system works.
The point was about "trials experimenting" on humans of a new medicine being manufactured and dispensed, opposed to a historical proved Medicine Humans have taken for generations.

The "experimentation" is over...it's settled results as far as scientists are concerned.
You are just up in arms because you don't live in the medical field and this manner of vaccine is new news to you.

What is really new is the virus and the long term effects from not being vaccinated against it... scientists are going to want to monitor you for all the things the virus is going to do to you.

 

[ChristisGod]

Numbers 21:6 "And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died."
Numbers 21:7 "Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people."
Numbers 21:8 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live."
Numbers 21:9 "And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."

there is nothing new under the sun, that same serpent, is on a pole today... the medical emblem. and the same prayer is today, TRUST GOD IN YOUR DOCTOR. else stay bitten.


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

are you a JW ?

if your daughter needed a blood transfusion to live would you let her die ?

 

[Taken]

The "experimentation" is over...it's settled results as far as scientists are concerned.

That's a Naive statement.
Individual Nations through their own Agencies Set the Rules on Despensing The Vac as it is manfactured and distributed and dispensed....
And Reports Established according to HOW they determined Dispensing, and to Whom.

Some Nations have revealed their Order of Dispensing...examples:
Elderly, healthcare employees, emergency responders, military, public demonstrating flu like symptoms, people at Large over 18 under a certain age.

Some "groups" have not received ... DUH...
They are still manufacturing to Supply projected categorized "numbers".

So no, it is not "a settled matter", of reporting
THEIR out come of Trials...when their expectation of Conducting trials...has not even begun on certain age groups.

You are just up in arms because you don't live in the medical field

How do you know where I live or my background or lack thereof in the medical Field?

What you say becomes instantly insignificant and moot when you make such outrageous unfounded Claims.

 

[101G]

are you a JW ?

if your daughter needed a blood transfusion to live would you let her die ?

LOL, LOL, LOL, .... lol, ...., sorry abot the laugh out loud... first thanks for the reply, second, "Am I JW. No, but JESUS witness...... got-you.. lol.

I'm a Jesus witness, Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

how about that.

now on the same serious side, but addressing your, "if your daughter needed a blood transfusion to live would you let her die ?" I addressed this same question, I asked a JW this, and Got the schock of my life, twice.

first schock, this woman, who was a JW, said this, YES she would give blood to her child if she or he was dying.... and the second schock I got was from the Lord Jesus himself. because when I was about to lower to boom on her, concering the pratice of the no blood transfusion, the Lord spoke to my heart that same instance, and said, "Leave her alone, for I have chosen her". that let me fully know that he have his own in the JW, mormons, baptist.... or whosoeverelse you want to call yourself. from that, I knew he had not yet called some out of these darkness religions, including the ones we had been in or still in...... YIKES!.

so before we put someone else down for their beliefs, lets get the tree out of our own eyes first, before we pull the plug on someone else.

for the Lord said, Matthew 5:45 "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[ChristisGod]

LOL, LOL, LOL, .... lol, ...., sorry abot the laugh out loud... first thanks for the reply, second, "Am I JW. No, but JESUS witness...... got-you.. lol.

I'm a Jesus witness, Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

how about that.

now on the same serious side, but addressing your, "if your daughter needed a blood transfusion to live would you let her die ?" I addressed this same question, I asked a JW this, and Got the schock of my life, twice.

first schock, this woman, who was a JW, said this, YES she would give blood to her child if she or he was dying.... and the second schock I got was from the Lord Jesus himself. because when I was about to lower to boom on her, concering the pratice of the no blood transfusion, the Lord spoke to my heart that same instance, and said, "Leave her alone, for I have chosen her". that let me fully know that he have his own in the JW, mormons, baptist.... or whosoeverelse you want to call yourself. from that, I knew he had not yet called some out of these darkness religions, including the ones we had been in or still in...... YIKES!.

so before we put someone else down for their beliefs, lets get the tree out of our own eyes first, before we pull the plug on someone else.

for the Lord said, Matthew 5:45 "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

ok thanks !

 

[WaterSong]

Some people call it the Oxford vaccine. Some people call it the AstraZeneca vaccine. Some people link the two names together. All three are correct.

That particular piece of information is not in that particular article - but why should it be? It's common knowledge in this country that most people are now getting the Oxford vaccine because that's the product we have more of.

How would anyone on the other side of the pond know this? It was a perfectly normal question.

You asked me which company produced "the serum for the vaccine". I have no idea exactly where the various ingredients in it came from and I don't normally see the point of enquiring. Now you're saying that you asked me which company produced "the vaccine" - which is not the same question. The answer to the second question is AstraZeneca - but I don't know why you need to ask me that because I have already told you which vaccine I received.

No, it is the same question. First you didn't know who produced the vaccine you received, and now you do. OK.
Serum and vaccine with regard to Covid-19 vaccine are both relevant and applicable.

Somebody (not me) has posted somewhere in the last day or so a definition of "experimental". I can't find it at the moment, but it was something along the lines of "prior to approval by regulatory authorities". Which is a perfectly reasonable definition, and one that makes sense to me in this context. It means that the Covid vaccines being used in the UK are no longer "experimental".

experimental medicine

The UK Covid-19 vaccine is still in the experimental stage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...533f3a-5ca0-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html

UK Covid vaccines still in experimental stage - Google Search

Someone here said you were a doctor? Or nurse? Is that correct?

 

[WaterSong]

Wow, it looks like this thread had been hijacked......

@WaterSong

The covid vaccines are going to be free here in Aus too. In my country there is a "tax-free threshold."

For your information we don't pay tax if we make less money than $18,200 and if we do make more, the first $18,200 is still tax free....

That's fine.
What people in this country don't realize when they're all for a Socialized medicine program like that in the UK or Australia, is the money comes from somewhere. And that is from the taxes of the working class and others. Thresholds of income not withstanding.

And for the record, this debate thread hasn't been hijacked by me. Everything I've addressed is within the subject matter Deborah initiated. Thanks.

 

[WaterSong]

@WaterSong said it was taxpayer's money which is true, but...... the Aussie Medicare levy is only 2% of taxable income, which is nothing compared to what people in America spend to go to hospital for treatments and surgeries in America. They could spend days in ICU due to covid and get charged tens of thousands or even hundred thousand dollars and over in some cases.

And I heard Americans have to spend $200 just to go for a basic checkup at a doctor's appointment ....

Yet some how you guys still think this is better, the poor people cannot afford to go to hospital there, even the average worker there struggles to make a decision to go the doctor or hospital due to the cost.

It is untrue the poor in America do not go to doctors due to their income status. We have Medicaid for the poor, and Medicare for the elderly and disabled. Therefore , no one is denied medical services in America.

 

[WaterSong]

Oh sorry I just realized this was in the debate section

LOL Nowwwww, you realize it. ;)
Get some rest. :) Peaceful dreams and God's blessings meet you in the morning.

 

[Grailhunter]

It is untrue the poor in America do not go to doctors due to their income status. We have Medicaid for the poor, and Medicare for the elderly and disabled. Therefore , no one is denied medical services in America.

Not to mention the legal statement in every hospital that they cannot refuse treatment. You have to be stable.

Then there is the whole vaccine thing...what is it not? It is not a anti-viral. Never before produced in this manner for a Covid type virus. This is more like a antidote...and like antidotes they are dangerous. Antidotes are produced for bio-logical weapons. It will be years before we know the effects of this antidote.

This whole thing smack as the largest conspiracies ever! On one side of the coin you have people yelling into the camera with mouths wide open and spitting....Hydroxycroquine will kill you!!! It will kill you!!! It is the biggest lie ever. It is a desperate attempt to continue the pandemic. People just do not pay attention. Hydroquinone is one of the safest drugs on the market.... proven by over 60 years of use....very effective against Covid...proven worldwide. There has never been a campaign to prevent the use of a safe medication like this before.

This was available in January of 2020, they did everything they could to prevent people from trying it. Which proves they intend for this pandemic to happen...They intended to kill people in large numbers so they could control them with fear.

This makes me suspicious of the so called "vaccine" that does not address the virus, but rather modifies the genetics of the person.
They are still not going to allow you to have access to Hydroxycroquine because they are still working the death rate of this and they do not want it to stop. Then on the other hand this antidote is being shove down our throats with little time to see its effects. Hydroxycroquine has been used safely for over 60 years...this antidote, how long has it been around....are they screaming be careful in the camera? No. I am not going to take the word of people that were willing to intentionally kill hundreds of thousands of people....This antidote is probably going to show some serious side effects very quickly.

Your best bet is health a good diet and lots of vitamins....A and D and zinc.
If you are not in good health, let someone else go to the store.
I am running food all over the place here for the elderly, as well as dinners.

 

[Cristo Rei]

The "experimentation" is over...it's settled results as far as scientists are concerned.
You are just up in arms because you don't live in the medical field and this manner of vaccine is new news to you.

What is really new is the virus and the long term effects from not being vaccinated against it... scientists are going to want to monitor you for all the things the virus is going to do to you.

These vaccines are immoral, unethical, unlawful and criminal in so many ways.
How can anyone still be trying to defend such abhorrent acts?

 

[historyb]

And I heard Americans have to spend $200 just to go for a basic checkup at a doctor's appointment ....

Just 75 for most Doctors and if you go to the hospital they still treat you if you don't have money. I don't pay anything to go to the Doctor or Hospital.

 

[historyb]

What is really new is the virus and the long term effects from not being vaccinated against it... scientists are going to want to monitor you for all the things the virus is going to do to you.

Yep. Things like losing limbs, being on Oxygen for the rest of their life, possible mental problems (a few cases here) even though you had never one before, and the kicker death because of the cytokine storm in your lungs making it impossible to breathe. These are the great things anti-vax people get to look forward to. Yay!

 

[historyb]

These vaccines are immoral, unethical, unlawful and criminal in so many ways.
How can anyone still be trying to defend such abhorrent acts?

Any proof?

 

[Josho]

These vaccines are immoral, unethical, unlawful and criminal in so many ways.
How can anyone still be trying to defend such abhorrent acts?

No, we used to get vaccines at school, vaccines have done the world a lot of good, it's only a needle, a prick and then it is out, and we got to have a lolly after the jab at school.

 

[April_Rose]

No, we used to get vaccines at school, vaccines have done the world a lot of good, it's only a needle, a prick and then it is out, and we got to have a lolly after the jab at school.

Wow, we actually agree for a change,.. neato! :cool: