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My remarks were intend more in the sense of humor and not meant to deride either individual. Both of these individuals may in all good conscious believed what they have presented is truth.
Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey=World's Best Bible Prophecy Teachers!!
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My remarks were intend more in the sense of humor and not meant to deride either individual. Both of these individuals may in all good conscious believed what they have presented is truth.
I don't believe the Impes and Lindseys of the world are teaching in good conscious. Their ability to accumulate millions of dollars suggests more competence than a true pretrib believer could have. They have to have the wit to fabricate the lies. They can't be as witless as true believers of pretrib lies. They have to have the ability to BS around criticism of their lies. And, they are aware of their changing stories, as they link new current events to Bible verses and abandon past events that they had linked to Bible verses, yet they never confess to changing anything.
Innocent or not, no Christian church, bookstore, television network, etc. should allow themselves to be used Impes and Lindseys of the world to propagate those destructive and unchristian pretrib lies.
The rapture(catching up of believers) IS NOT the same event as when Jesus returns to earth with us raptured believers to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom!!
1 Thessalonians 4:4_18 IS the rapture (catching up of believers)
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Why be left behind on rapture day and try to live under anti-christ rule and the wrath of God on this sinful world??
Luke 21:36
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
1Thess. 5:9==For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Thessalonians 4:4_18 IS the rapture (catching up of believers)
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be """caught up""" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Why be left behind on rapture day and try to live under anti-christ rule and the wrath of God on this sinful world??
Luke 21:36
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
1Thess. 5:9==For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Ac28 and Gismys, you both show a total fail in knowing who the real Israel is. It is JESUS.
He came and conquered Satan and Death on the Cross. Now all the Promises of God are to be fulfilled in Him and are for us Christians, all the faithful followers of Jesus.
You cannot say that any ethnic group, the Jews especially, have any special favor from God. That idea conflicts with the entire Plan of Salvation for all who will accept it.
The 'Israelites' referred to in Romans 11:26 are the Israel of God, NOT those people who call themselves Jews, but are not.
He came and conquered Satan and Death on the Cross. Now all the Promises of God are to be fulfilled in Him and are for us Christians, all the faithful followers of Jesus.
You cannot say that any ethnic group, the Jews especially, have any special favor from God. That idea conflicts with the entire Plan of Salvation for all who will accept it.
The 'Israelites' referred to in Romans 11:26 are the Israel of God, NOT those people who call themselves Jews, but are not.
God Orders His Last Prophet Jack Van Impe to Warn the World Jesus is Ready to Rapture born-again believers!!
Current international events reflect exactly the conditions predicted throughout the Bible for the last days of this age. Dr. Jack Van Impe has been declaring the truth of Bible prophecy since 1948 and continues to be a leading voice in declaring the soon return of the Savior.
Jack Van Impe Presents — August 4, 2018
Current international events reflect exactly the conditions predicted throughout the Bible for the last days of this age. Dr. Jack Van Impe has been declaring the truth of Bible prophecy since 1948 and continues to be a leading voice in declaring the soon return of the Savior.
Jack Van Impe Presents — August 4, 2018
Is this a time when, as the Bible says, everyone is happily declaring "Peace, peace?" Isn't that what the Bible says will be the prevailing, unsuspecting attitude? Yet, thousands upon thousands of Chicken Littles are running around screaming "The end of the world is upon us, we are killing one another, right and left."
The Remnant of Israel. Romans 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? Of course not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.
God’s Irrevocable Call. 25 I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not become wise [in] your own estimation: a hardening has come upon Israel in part, until the full number of the Gentiles comes in. 26 and thus """all Israel will be saved""", as it is written:
“The deliverer will come out of Zion,
he will turn away godlessness from Jacob;
27 and this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
God’s Irrevocable Call. 25 I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not become wise [in] your own estimation: a hardening has come upon Israel in part, until the full number of the Gentiles comes in. 26 and thus """all Israel will be saved""", as it is written:
“The deliverer will come out of Zion,
he will turn away godlessness from Jacob;
27 and this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
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Luke 21:36 New International Version (NIV)
36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Yep, sure sounds like a rapture to me.
Watch for a seven year mid-east peace treaty any day now==Trump is working on that now!! Yes!!! All the signs say we are the last generation living in the last days!! Are you ready to meet Jesus??
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Yes!!! Will you meet Jesus as your Lord and Savior OR will Jesus be your final Judge??? your choce!!
……… and all the while, hollering to impeach Trump before he starts WW-III. You guys can't seem to make up your minds.
Trump is working on a 7-year peace treaty? And, what comes when Trump leaves office and there's no 7-year peace treaty. The devil you follow has told you each and every president since 1948 is going to create a 7-year peace treaty. When will you ever learn?
ROFL!!! Noah warned about the coming flood for 100 years but the people mocked and scoffed just as you until the rain came!!! 6000 years and still the slow learners are still blind to Truth!!
Nothing you quoted is applicable to ANYTHING I said. You err, not knowing the scriptures. Look at the map on this link. Do youu really think that "Israel" occupies the land that was prophesied? When it is fulfilled, and the true event takes place (not the fake one today promoted by the fake propheteers), they'll have everything within the blue lines.
The Geographic Center of The Earth And The Bible
I just noticed that prophet is pronounced exactly the same as profit. Coincidence?
Israel does no animal sacrifices. Israel doesn't have a temple. They can't and don't keep the law. It's impossible for them to be God's people unless they keep the law. They will ALWAYS have to keep the law. There are animal sacrifices in the Millennium, according to Eze, Jer, Isa, Zec and Mal. Israel was set aside for disobedience almost 2000 years ago when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to the Gentiles - Acts 28:28. They murdered God's Son, were given 33 years to repent (Acts), and they didn't repent. God set them aside.
This guy summed it up well.
"The Israeli government, today, is made up of unbelieving Jews administering a socialistic government which depends mostly upon the U.S.A. for its sustenance. When the true descendants of the three Patriarchs occupy the Land, they will depend on the LORD their God, and in no-one else will they trust. They will be totally dependent upon the Lord Jesus Christ. And, He will meet every need of His re-gathered people.
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Actually the tribulations in Matthew 24 and John 16 seem to be different. One is a unique future event after the church has been raptured; the other is the tribulation principle.
I've been hearing that for at least 30 years. All the pieces are ready - they just have to put them together. Take a couple of days. Where are they going to kill the animals? Who will kill the animals? They have no priesthood.
Actually, who cares? A very large percentage are an unbiblical group of unbelieving Talmudists who treat the Bible as a book of fables (from their own mouths). As being God's people, they are fakes, in the most part. They have no national standing today. They come to God as individuals and the only thing truly available to them today is to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If they don't, they will permanently die - perish - never to be heard from again. Just like Gentile unbelievers. If there is a remnant, they can only be saved Christians. Christ is no one's Messiah today, but He is everyone's Savior.
The only church for anyone living today is the one found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. Those Jews or Gentiles that SEE the truth there, BELIEVE it, and CLAIM it, and separate themselves from all things Israel, will spend eternity in the Heaven of Heavens. Those that are saved but don't see the truth there, and still claim that all-Israel things are for them, like the rapture and the Gifts, will go through the white throne judgement and end up with the nation Israel on the New Earth. If you want Heaven, stay out of the 100% Israel book of Acts and all of Paul's Acts books. As far as your Hope, Calling, and anything concerning YOUR future, you won't find anything from Acts or any of the other 59 all-Israel books. It's all in Paul's 7 books written AFTER Acts - Eph, Phil, Col. 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon, the only places in the Bible you'll find Truth For Today
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God's love for His chosen people is eternal. PTL.
21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.
25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord. Ezekiel 39:21-29
21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.
25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord. Ezekiel 39:21-29
The Mark Of The Beast Found In Revelation 13 Is Further Proof For A Pretribulation Rapture Of The Church
The taking of the Mark of the Beast is yet more proof that Christians will not be exposed to it. Since the Bible clearly declares in Revelation that God will not forgive anyone who takes it, and Paul clearly declares in dozens and dozens of passages that Christians have eternal security, we know that the rapture of the Church must take place before the time of Jacob's trouble where Antichrist will force his mark on humanity.
One of the most amazing things about be born again in the Church Age is that God has given us eternal security by faith in Jesus Christ. When we accepted His payment on the cross as the payment for our sin personally, and put our trust and faith in His death, burial and resurrection, God forgave all of our sins past, present and future. Certainly, we could sin after salvation and temporarily break our fellowship with the Lord, but never for a single second would our salvation be in jeopardy. The apostle John gives us the remedy for restoring our fellowship with Him when the Holy Spirit had him write this:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 (KJV)
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/mark-...ure-of-church/
The taking of the Mark of the Beast is yet more proof that Christians will not be exposed to it. Since the Bible clearly declares in Revelation that God will not forgive anyone who takes it, and Paul clearly declares in dozens and dozens of passages that Christians have eternal security, we know that the rapture of the Church must take place before the time of Jacob's trouble where Antichrist will force his mark on humanity.
One of the most amazing things about be born again in the Church Age is that God has given us eternal security by faith in Jesus Christ. When we accepted His payment on the cross as the payment for our sin personally, and put our trust and faith in His death, burial and resurrection, God forgave all of our sins past, present and future. Certainly, we could sin after salvation and temporarily break our fellowship with the Lord, but never for a single second would our salvation be in jeopardy. The apostle John gives us the remedy for restoring our fellowship with Him when the Holy Spirit had him write this:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 (KJV)
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/mark-...ure-of-church/
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