Jehovah is either God or He is not, correct?

[robert derrick]

Jehovah is either God or He is not, correct?

The Lord God's name was Yehovah in the OT.

His name is now Jesus Christ.

Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name: bring an offering, and come into his courts.

Jesus Christ is the name given all glory above every name in the NT.

No jehovah.

 

[robert derrick]

Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

When will this jehovah be coming to the earth to judge all with righteousness?

Why hasn't he come yet?

When it comes to this mysterious never seen nor found jehovah, we can well say "Where is the promise of his coming?"

Apparently he still has worshippers looking for him rather than Jesus.

 

[robert derrick]

Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. (Psalms)

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. (2 Thessalonians)

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Revelation)

The prophecies of the OT of the LORD Yehovah are fulfilled by the Lord Jesus in the NT.

God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. (Habbakuk)

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation)

The Lamb of God fulfills the prophecies of the day of the LORD in the OT.

No jehovah.

 

[keithr]

I am surprised you people haven't written your own NT like the Mormons, in order to write your idol's name down thousands of time in it.

Who is "you people"? If I had to guess, it sounds like you think that I am a Jehovah's Witness. I am not. (PS when I say "I am", I am not claiming to be YHVH - some people seem to think that's what saying "I am" means!)

Jesus clearly reveals to John that Jesus has a Father who is also his God.

True. And so do that call upon His name out of a pure heart.

Not those who call upon a name nowhere found in the NT. Diana has more mention in the NT than jehovah.

God's word to us, the Scriptures, the Holy Bible, is more than just the New Testament books. The majority of it is the Old Testament books. Don't ignore it or mock it. You can't fully understand the New Testament Scriptures unless you understand the Old Testament Scriptures too. As Chuck Missler often said, "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed". The author of both is God. As Paul wrote, 2 Timothy 3:16 (WEB):

(16) Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,​

(and he was referring mainly to the Old Testament Scriptures, for the New Testament had not yet been compiled).

When praying to God, his Father, Jesus said, John 17:25-26 (WEB):

(25) Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.
(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”​

What was the name that Jesus made known to his disciples? (It wasn't Jesus, or Yeshua.)

Paul wrote, Romans 10:13 (WEB):

(13) For, “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

He was quoting Joel 2:32 (WEB):

(32) It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s name shall be saved; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, as Yahweh has said, and among the remnant, those whom Yahweh calls.​

 

[robert derrick]

Who is "you people"? If I had to guess, it sounds like you think that I am a Jehovah's Witness. I am not. (PS when I say "I am", I am not claiming to be YHVH - some people seem to think that's what saying "I am" means!)


God's word to us, the Scriptures, the Holy Bible, is more than just the New Testament books. The majority of it is the Old Testament books. Don't ignore it or mock it. You can't fully understand the New Testament Scriptures unless you understand the Old Testament Scriptures too. As Chuck Missler often said, "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed". The author of both is God. As Paul wrote, 2 Timothy 3:16 (WEB):

(16) Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,​

(and he was referring mainly to the Old Testament Scriptures, for the New Testament had not yet been compiled).

When praying to God, his Father, Jesus said, John 17:25-26 (WEB):

(25) Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.
(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”​

What was the name that Jesus made known to his disciples? (It wasn't Jesus, or Yeshua.)

Who is "you people"? If I had to guess, it sounds like you think that I am a Jehovah's Witness.

You people are obviously all you idolators of little jehovah, whatever names you go by.

God's word to us, the Scriptures, the Holy Bible, is more than just the New Testament books.

Thanks.

Don't ignore it or mock it.

I mock your peoples' little idol jehovah, whom you people ignorantly worship, and he is nothing but an idol and god of you people: your peoples' jehovah is not the LORD Yehovah of the OT, who is the Lord Jesus Christ of the NT.

You can't fully understand the New Testament Scriptures unless you understand the Old Testament Scriptures too.

That is backwards idolatry. The OT cannot be fully understood without the coming of Jesus Christ in the NT, to fulfill all the prophecies of the OT of the Lord God. It is the NT that reveals all truth of the OT.

Since you people reject the Lord Jesus Christ of the NT, you people neither understand nor believe the Old nor the New.

You people are as the unbelieving Jews of Old, who refused to receive Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord, and still wait for another to come in his own name: jehovah.

And exactly where is the day of his coming? When will this jehovah finally come to earth and judge the world in righteousness?

As Chuck Missler often said, "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed".

Chuck who?

The NT is the full revelation of all Scripture, including that of Old. There is nothing concealed about the NT today. And because of the revelation of the NT in the coming of the Lord Jesus, there is nothing concealed for any Scripture of old and new. The Lord Jesus Christ has come to fulfill the prophecies of the LORD Yehovah, the Lord Adoni.

What is purposely concealed by you people is the NT fulfillment of all Scripture by the Lord Jesus. Your eyes remained blinded by the god of this world, one of whose names is jehovah.

What was the name that Jesus made known to his disciples?

The name of the Father, which is the same name of the Son revealed by Scripture: Jesus Christ

It certainly wasn't any name jehovah, which is nowhere mentioned in NT Scripture.

I used to respect at least the scholarship of you people, but now all your intellectual learnings is degraded into old mantra and willful blindness to the simple truth of Scripture:

You peoples' little lord fontleroy jehovah appears nowhere in NT Scripture. And hiding in a word for praise of Halleluiah don't cut it.

If you had any intellectual honesty at all, then you would be speaking and worshipping the name Halleluiah, not jehovah.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Call me crazy, but i don't think anyone is going to forsake their faith due to the insults/flaming/harassment from a human.

Rather, Paul urges us: "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

Let us follow Paul's words and converse with charity. Not insults.

 

[robert derrick]

Call me crazy, but i don't think anyone is going to forsake their faith due to the insults/flaming/harassment from a human.

Rather, Paul urges us: "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

Let us follow Paul's words and converse with charity. Not insults.

If you think that speaking love to these people will change their minds, then by all means give it a go.

In the meantime quit insulting me and my intelligence.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If you think that speaking love to these people will change their minds, then by all means give it a go.

In the meantime quit insulting me and my intelligence.

I am not insulting your person or intelligence. Merely highlighting Paul's words on the importance of charity.

 

[keithr]

If you think that speaking love to these people will change their minds, then by all means give it a go.

In the meantime quit insulting me and my intelligence.

You reveal your rather feeble level of intelligence by your own comments, if you think that Jane_Doe22's comments was in any way insulting.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (KJV):

(15) But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
(16) Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.​

or WEB:

(15) but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior;​

Personal insults and accusations is not how Christians are supposed to behave. It's not encouraging, it's discouraging. What did Jesus have to say about that?:

Matthew 18:6-7 (KJV):

(6) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
(7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!​

Matthew 5:44-45 (WEB):

(44) But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
(45) that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.​

And Paul wrote:

Romans 13:10 (WEB):

(10) Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.​

Galations 5:13-14 (WEB):

(13) For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.
(14) For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”​

 

[keithr]

I mock your peoples' little idol jehovah, whom you people ignorantly worship, and he is nothing but an idol and god of you people: your peoples' jehovah is not the LORD Yehovah of the OT, who is the Lord Jesus Christ of the NT.

I do not worship God in ignorance. YHVH is not Jesus.

That is backwards idolatry. The OT cannot be fully understood without the coming of Jesus Christ in the NT, to fulfill all the prophecies of the OT of the Lord God. It is the NT that reveals all truth of the OT.

You're just agreeing with the quote from Chuck Missler ("the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed")!

Since you people reject the Lord Jesus Christ of the NT, you people neither understand nor believe the Old nor the New.

I do not reject Jesus and I do believe the Old and New Testaments. You are being libelous.

As Chuck Missler often said, "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed; the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed".

Chuck who?

He was the founder (with his wife) of Koinonia House - see About the founders, Chuck and Nancy Missler - Koinonia House or First Time Here? - Koinonia House

Your eyes remained blinded by the god of this world, one of whose names is jehovah.

You think that YHVH is Satan?! Good grief!

What was the name that Jesus made known to his disciples?

The name of the Father, which is the same name of the Son revealed by Scripture: Jesus Christ

The Father and the Son do not have the same name (as you have already pointed out).

I used to respect at least the scholarship of you people,

I am not a people; I am a person.

You peoples' little lord fontleroy jehovah appears nowhere in NT Scripture. And hiding in a word for praise of Halleluiah don't cut it.

If you had any intellectual honesty at all, then you would be speaking and worshipping the name Halleluiah, not jehovah.

Hallelujah is not a name!

Revelation 19:6 (WEB):

(6) I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns!​

As it says, praise ye Yah, our almighty God.

Revelation 1:5-6 (WEB):

(5) and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;
(6) and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.​

 

[Jim B]

You reveal your rather feeble level of intelligence by your own comments, if you think that Jane_Doe22's comments was in any way insulting.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (KJV):

(15) But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
(16) Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.​

or WEB:

(15) but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior;​

Personal insults and accusations is not how Christians are supposed to behave. It's not encouraging, it's discouraging. What did Jesus have to say about that?:

Matthew 18:6-7 (KJV):

(6) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
(7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!​

Matthew 5:44-45 (WEB):

(44) But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
(45) that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.​

And Paul wrote:

Romans 13:10 (WEB):

(10) Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.​

Galations 5:13-14 (WEB):

(13) For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.
(14) For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”​

You wrote "You reveal your rather feeble level of intelligence by your own comments" and "Personal insults and accusations is not how Christians are supposed to behave" in the same post. Are you okay? Do you understand your own words?

 

[keithr]

You wrote "You reveal your rather feeble level of intelligence by your own comments" and "Personal insults and accusations is not how Christians are supposed to behave" in the same post. Are you okay? Do you understand your own words?

Yes, I'm fine, thanks. My words were simply pointing to the simple fact that he felt that his intelligence was being insulted, yet the post he was replying to did not include any insults, only a recommendation that he should follow the teachings of the apostle Paul. I thought I had explained that in a polite manner.

 

[keithr]

Jehovah is either God or He is not, correct?

Correct. He is God Almighty

The Lord God's name was Yehovah in the NT.

Correct, His name remains the same forever (although it was YHVH, pronounced Yahavah):

Exodus 3:15 (WEB):

God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.​

His name is now Jesus Christ.

No, Christ is not a name, it's a title - Jesus is the Messiah. Jesus is not YHVH's name, it's the name of His Son. Jesus said:

John 3:16-18 (WEB):

(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(17) For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
(18) He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.​

John 10:36-37 (WEB):

(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’
(37) If I don’t do the works of my Father, don’t believe me.​

Jesus Christ is the name given all glory above every name in the NT.

And who gave Jesus that name? Philippians 2:9 (WEB):

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;
(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,​

 

[robert derrick]

You reveal your rather feeble level of intelligence by your own comments, if you think that Jane_Doe22's comments was in any way insulting.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (KJV):

(15) But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
(16) Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.​

or WEB:

(15) but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior;​

Personal insults and accusations is not how Christians are supposed to behave. It's not encouraging, it's discouraging. What did Jesus have to say about that?:

Matthew 18:6-7 (KJV):

(6) But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
(7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!​

Matthew 5:44-45 (WEB):

(44) But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
(45) that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.​

And Paul wrote:

Romans 13:10 (WEB):

(10) Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.​

Galations 5:13-14 (WEB):

(13) For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don’t use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.
(14) For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”​

So, her love-words have caused you to repent so soon and stop idolizing jehovah? You no longer degrade the Lord Jesus into a created christ and flunky of jehovah?

If so, then I am certainly wrong and will gladly admit the error of my ways and take up her love-boat cruise in the future.

 

[robert derrick]

I do not worship God in ignorance. YHVH is not Jesus.


You're just agreeing with the quote from Chuck Missler ("the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed")!


I do not reject Jesus and I do believe the Old and New Testaments. You are being libelous.


He was the founder (with his wife) of Koinonia House - see About the founders, Chuck and Nancy Missler - Koinonia House or First Time Here? - Koinonia House


You think that YHVH is Satan?! Good grief!


The Father and the Son do not have the same name (as you have already pointed out).


I am not a people; I am a person.


Hallelujah is not a name!

Revelation 19:6 (WEB):

(6) I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of mighty thunders, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns!​

As it says, praise ye Yah, our almighty God.

Revelation 1:5-6 (WEB):

(5) and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;
(6) and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.​

I do not reject Jesus.

Rejecting Jesus as the only Lord God and Savior is rejecting Jesus as the Christ of God.

You are being libelous.

How can an idolator be libeled on a Christian website?

Also, I don't know you personally, and if we met on the street, I am sure we would be friendly neighbors. What I mock and 'libel' is your idolatrous doctrine of the false god jehovah.

He was the founder (with his wife) of Koinonia House - see About the founders, Chuck and Nancy Missler -

No thanks.

The Father and the Son do not have the same name.

It's the only name spoken of in the NT and is above every name ever given for God and man. So, the Father doesn't mind the Son's name being spoken for Himself:

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

We are to honor the Son God even as we honor the Father as God, and so we should honor His name as well.

I am not a people; I am a person.

True. You are a person among people that idolize jehovah above Jesus. I am being inclusive. You can refer to me as 'you people' that love Jesus Christ as the Lord God all you want.

Hallelujah is not a name!

You said that's where we find jehovah in the NT. So, worship him by his name Hallelujah.

As it says, praise ye Yah, our almighty God.

It says Hallelujah. Not jehovah.

You think that YHVH is Satan?!

Yehovah was the LORD of the OT. Your jehovah isn't exactly Satan, but just another false christ of his.

"The Lord God's name was Yehovah in the NT."

Typo. In the OT.

No, Christ is not a name, it's a title - Jesus is the Messiah. Jesus is not YHVH's name, it's the name of His Son.

Those who love Him, call Him Jesus Christ.

He was Yehova in the flesh, as He prophesied of Himself, and He is now the risen God of Israel.

So, when is your jehovah coming to the earth to judge the world in righteousness?

 

[robert derrick]

Believers in their created christ acknowledge that he made all things of creation, but was not the Creator God, being only a helpful created hand.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

And so we see Scripture calling Jesus God, when He made the firmament according to the commandment of God the Father.

This is the only Scripture in Gen 1, where it is made clear that God made what God commanded: the Word, Who made all things, was God with God in the beginning making the firmament.

And so, we see how God has Scripture written in such a way as to ensure every lie of man about Him and His Word is refuted.

 

[RR144]

Don’t the Russellites and Watchtowerites ever give the Arian heresy a rest?

Don't you get tired of promoting the false doctrine of the Trinity?

 

[GISMYS_7]

The one true God IS Father,Son and Holy Sprit=the one true God!!!

 

[Dropship]

My dads name was Cyril but I never called him that, I always called him dad, just like everybody else calls their own dads 'dad' or 'father'..:)
Likewise, Jesus always called God 'Father', and he said we should call him that too- "This is how you should pray- Our Father which art in heaven..."
And as we're the children of God- ("I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" 2 Cor 6:14-18)
it therefore doesn't seem respectful to call God 'Jehovah'.
God is too BIG and AWESOME to have a name, it's only heathens who slap names on their false "gods"..:)
Below:-God sets Moses straight at the burning bush-

 

[David H.]

My dads name was Cyril but I never called him that, I always called him dad, just like everybody else calls their own dads 'dad' or 'father'..:)
Likewise, Jesus always called God 'Father', and he said we should call him that too- "This is how you should pray- Our Father which art in heaven..."
And as we're the children of God- ("I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" 2 Cor 6:14-18)
it therefore doesn't seem respectful to call God 'Jehovah'.
God is too BIG and AWESOME to have a name, it's only heathens who slap names on their false "gods"..:)
Below:-God sets Moses straight at the burning bush-

Jesus claims the name "Was and is and is to come" This is the Helenized way of saying the Holy name of God Jehovah The I am that I am that was given to Moses. See Revelation 1:7-8. He, Jesus also claims the title "almighty" (Shaddai in the Hebrew) Which is only used of God, as he is the almighty as in no one is mightier.

The obverse of this, is the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit who claims the name "was, is not now, and is to come", and all the harlot church rides on that best out of the wilderness. That is they who deny that Jesus is God incarnate. (See revelation 17:8-11)

Pick a side, and you will determine your outcome.