Jesus and Commands

[bbyrd009]

Hmm...The oppressed are outwardly humble so they will not be killed or imprisoned. But they will spit in the dictators food behind his back...

that i could appreciate, but covering up his crimes and worshipping him, what is that, Stockholm or something yikes

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ha, you're kidding i hope?

Ok then, why bother learning about some Empire-wide law that caused prolly a million+ to perish when you have Barnabas to re-write Scripture for you so that it fits with your belief system, i guess?

The Epistle of Barnabas didn't rewrite scripture. It IS scripture. When you read Hebrews 4 you are left wondering what exactly "entering into God's rest" means. It also compares it to the Sabbath. But Paul also said it wasn't their entering into the Promised Land, so seeing as the children of Israel had both the Promised land and the Sabbath day, why did he say that wasn't entering into God's rest. You no longer have to "wonder" what is being said. the Epistle of Barnabas makes it clear. Funny, it is also though that Hebrews was written by Barnabas.

As for my question "by whom" that you mocked, I didn't know if you were referring to the Catholic Church as some authority or what. I don't hold the Catholic Church as an authority full stop.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

but covering up his crimes and worshipping him

Your questions leave more questions. Worshiping whom/him?

 

[bbyrd009]

You no longer have to "wonder" what is being said. the Epistle of Barnabas makes it clear.

the epistle of barnabas blows it there imo, and you would do better to keep wondering, but that is just my opinion
it is a rejected work of Scripture i guess, not part of any canon, so i would at least seek a valid Witness before leaning on it

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't hold the Catholic Church as an authority full stop.

Your questions leave more questions. Worshiping whom/him?

tag for later

not sure how to illustrate how in thrall we all are to the RCC here, you certainly aren't alone at least

 

[1stCenturyLady]

the epistle of barnabas blows it there imo, and you would do better to keep wondering, but that is just my opinion
it is a rejected work of Scripture i guess, not part of any canon, so i would at least seek a valid Witness before leaning on it

Don't you realize it has a prophecy that would be another 2000 years before its fulfillment? God preserved it for us today. But it had already been read in all the churches before the compiling of the scriptures, and why Justin Martyr said they worshiped on Sunday, and why - right out of the Epistle of Barnabas. Uninspired church fathers compiled the books together of which ones they all agreed upon. A prophecy that wouldn't have been fulfilled in their lifetime would not have set well with them. Now if you believe the Catholic Church has that authority to exclude an inspired writing, then you are entitled to your opinion.

There are only 27 books in the New Testament. Not 28, a number perfectly divisible by 7 - God's signature. Ever ask yourself why on is missing, or do you let the CC do your thinking for you?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

tag for later

not sure how to illustrate how in thrall we all are to the RCC here, you certainly aren't alone at least

What? Are you saying we should be enthralled by the RCC? What, to revere it? Oh, please... They added so much paganism the early 1st century church is unrecognizable.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes animal sacrifices ended for bringing a temporary atonement/ covering. But all of the law and prophets were speaking of Jesus, including the 10.

So then... for example

"Do not take God's name in vain"

and

"Honor your father and mother"

were 'speaking of Jesus'.??

Instead of an uneasy and temporary peace/rest, we have a sacrifice that is better. So the Sabbath rest was speaking of Jesus.

In your statement - you say all of them were "speaking of Jesus" -- quoting yourself of course.

It's "ok" if you think that actually... in real life... not taking God's name in vain is the right thing... but...???


God says "six days you shall labor .. but the seventh day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:8-10

It's fine if you consider one day more holy

So then "it is fine" to believe God?

In your POV??

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I am certainly going to search for barnabas. I read an awful book that someone claimed should be in scripture...think it was...thomas? I couldn't read all of it. But I will at least look into barnabas!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The truth is, if Sunday or first day observance was taught in scripture, revealed a doctrine by either Jesus our the apostles, practiced by the first century church, then those who oppose Sabbath keeping would cite the very verses that reveal such, and their case would be settled. But they don't, and they can't. So they resort to philosophy, a expressed above by the concept of"Jesus being our Sabbath test", a concept nowhere to be found in scripture.

This is the reason the CC should have included the Epistle of Barnabas in the canon. It was fought for and on six different lists of candidates. It was read in all the early churches and believed by them to have been written by the apostle Barnabas.

Is this clear enough for you? It is for me:

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

Don't you agree that if we had this book many errors could have been prevented? A law specifically about abortion is no where in our 66 books. But it is in the Epistle of Barnabas.

Barnabas 19:5
Thou shalt not doubt whether a thing shall be or not be. Thou shalt
not take the name of the Lord in vain. Thou shalt love thy
neighbor more than thine own soul. Thou shalt not murder a child by
abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born. Thou shalt
not withhold thy hand from thy son or daughter, but from their youth
thou shalt teach them the fear of God.

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 4 shows that the 7th day of Creation was a foreshadow of entering into God's rest. SDA says this is speaking of keeping the Sabbath, but it is not. .

The Catholic Catechism, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession of Faith and a great many others freely admit that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God "written on the heart" under the NEW Covenant.

The overly simplistic "here let me make something up about what Seventh-day Adventist believe" -- solves nothing.

Hebrews 4 says "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- REMAINS from WHEN??

The text points us to Psalms 95:7 - and the days of David. It REMAINS as it was in the days of David.Those who "imagine" that the saints at the time of Psalms 95 were in rebellion against the 4th commandment - need to read more Bible.

The point remains.

Using Catholicism, and the false doctrines of the Reformationists to prove me wrong,

To refute the nonsense about "SDAs say..." when in fact the exgreme anti-bible fringe limb you are walking out on - puts your suggestions at odds with Bible scholars in general -- not "just the text of scripture".

You would need to install some Bible accuracy into your position to get anywhere near the point where the only difference between the speculation you are offering and all of Christianity was just the difference you would like to have with SDA doctrine.

 

[bbyrd009]

As for my question "by whom" that you mocked, I didn't know if you were referring to the Catholic Church as some authority or what. I don't hold the Catholic Church as an authority full stop.

didn't mean to sound mocking there, we are just coming from vastly different places i guess.

so, you don't hold the RCC as an authority, but you proudly or at least unflinchingly say that you would have obeyed Constantine's law that claimed so many saints' lives, see, so understand why from a certain pov that sounds so incongruous, ok?

The two just cannot go together when Constantine's law is reflected upon, but as you say you are unaware of the law that Constantine passed. So, you could google "Cult of Sol Invictus" to see why you like Sunday now, or i guess google will tell you all about the Catholic law that changed Sabbath to Sunday, on pain of death, that i'm sure you have been convinced you are observing Sunday for completely diff reasons prolly, using Barnabas as like a salve or something? which btw i generally like barnabas and even eighth day as far as it goes, but imo it gets taken too far, notice that we have left canon, and are rewriting the Decalogue to boot with this?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So then... for example

"Do not take God's name in vain"

and

"Honor your father and mother"

were 'speaking of Jesus'.??



In your statement - you say all of them were "speaking of Jesus" -- quoting yourself of course.

It's "ok" if you think that actually... in real life... not taking God's name in vain is the right thing... but...???


God says "six days you shall labor .. but the seventh day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:8-10


So then "it is fine" to believe God?

In your POV??

how is it that you say it is my POV when Jesus said that they searched scripture and that scripture spoke of Him?? And He said that all that was written in the law and the prophets about Him had to be fulfilled. And that they searched the scriptures for eternal life when the scriptures spoke of HIM!?

 

[BobRyan]

I am certainly going to search for barnabas. I read an awful book that someone claimed should be in scripture...think it was...thomas? I couldn't read all of it. But I will at least look into barnabas!

"The Gospel of Barnabas is a book depicting the life of Jesus, which claims to be by the biblical Barnabas who in this work is one of the twelve apostles. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th or early 17th centuries, with one written in Italian and the other in Spanish. The Spanish manuscript is now lost, its text surviving only in a partial 18th-century transcript.[1] Barnabas is about the same length as the four canonical gospels put together, with the bulk being devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, much of it harmonized from accounts also found in the canonical gospels. In some key respects, it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins and contradicts the New Testament teachings of Christianity.

The text of this Gospel is late and pseudepigraphical.[2] However, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier, apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic,[3] Ebionite[4] or Diatessaronic[5]),..."
Gospel of Barnabas - Wikipedia

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Catholic Catechism, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession of Faith and a great many others freely admit that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God "written on the heart" under the NEW Covenant.

The overly simplistic "here let me make something up about what Seventh-day Adventist believe" -- solves nothing.

Hebrews 4 says "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- REMAINS from WHEN??

The text points us to Psalms 95:7 - and the days of David. It REMAINS as it was in the days of David.Those who "imagine" that the saints at the time of Psalms 95 were in rebellion against the 4th commandment - need to read more Bible.

The point remains.



To refute the nonsense about "SDAs say..." when in fact the exgreme anti-bible fringe limb you are walking out on - puts your suggestions at odds with Bible scholars in general -- not "just the text of scripture".

You would need to install some Bible accuracy into your position to get anywhere near the point where the only difference between the speculation you are offering and all of Christianity was just the difference you would like to have with SDA doctrine.

I'm flabbergasted you again started your post from your worn out cut and paste arsenal. ROFL

 

[stunnedbygrace]

didn't mean to sound mocking there, we are just coming from vastly different places i guess.

so, you don't hold the RCC as an authority, but you proudly or at least unflinchingly say that you would have obeyed Constantine's law that claimed so many saints' lives, see, so understand why from a certain pov that sounds so incongruous, ok?

The two just cannot go together when Constantine's law is reflected upon, but as you say you are unaware of the law that Constantine passed. So, you could google "Cult of Sol Invictus" to see why you like Sunday now, or i guess google will tell you all about the Catholic law that changed Sabbath to Sunday, on pain of death, that i'm sure you have been convinced you are observing Sunday for completely diff reasons prolly, using Barnabas as like a salve or something? which btw i generally like barnabas and even eighth day as far as it goes, but imo it gets taken too far, notice that we have left canon, and are rewriting the Decalogue to boot with this?

She is not pushing sunday...she has clearly stated that the true Sabbath rest is in Christ. Every day...

 

[BobRyan]

how is it that you say it is my POV when Jesus said that they searched scripture and that scripture spoke of Him??

Well it is true that scripture "Speaks of Christ"

But "Judas went out and hanged himself" does not "speak of Christ"
And Satan is not "speaking of Christ" in Genesis 3 when saying that God is lying.

Every verse - every word... is not a reference to Christ. Not even in the OT.

And He said that all that was written in the law and the prophets about Him had to be fulfilled. And that they searched the scriptures for eternal life when the scriptures spoke of HIM!?

Agreed but He never said "all of scripture is deleted ...in Me".

 

[bbyrd009]

But it is in the Epistle of Barnabas.

Barnabas 19:5
Thou shalt not doubt whether a thing shall be or not be. Thou shalt
not take the name of the Lord in vain. Thou shalt love thy
neighbor more than thine own soul. Thou shalt not murder a child by
abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born.

so barnabas feels qualified to make Commandments i guess, like the lesson of Molech in Scripture is not clear enough. Barnabas is for the blind people of the world iow? i remember why barnabas was rejected now

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well it is true that scripture "Speaks of Christ"

But "Judas went out and hanged himself" does not "speak of Christ"
And Satan is not "speaking of Christ" in Genesis 3 when saying that God is lying.

Every verse - every word... is not a reference to Christ. Not even in the OT.



Agreed but He never said "all of scripture is deleted ...in Me".

Tsk! You are arguing just to hear yourself.

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews 4 shows that the 7th day of Creation was a foreshadow of entering into God's rest. SDA says this is speaking of keeping the Sabbath, but it is not. .

The Catholic Catechism, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession of Faith and a great many others freely admit that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God "written on the heart" under the NEW Covenant.

The overly simplistic "here let me make something up about what Seventh-day Adventist believe" -- solves nothing.

Hebrews 4 says "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- REMAINS from WHEN??

The text points us to Psalms 95:7 - and the days of David. It REMAINS as it was in the days of David.Those who "imagine" that the saints at the time of Psalms 95 were in rebellion against the 4th commandment - need to read more Bible.

The point remains.

Using Catholicism, and the false doctrines of the Reformationists to prove me wrong,

To refute the nonsense about "SDAs say..." when in fact the exgreme anti-bible fringe limb you are walking out on - puts your suggestions at odds with Bible scholars in general -- not "just the text of scripture".

You would need to install some Bible accuracy into your position to get anywhere near the point where the only difference between the speculation you are offering and all of Christianity was just the difference you would like to have with SDA doctrine.

I'm flabbergasted

Noted. I provide the full context for what appears to be nonsense in your conclusions - so that all the readers may determine for themselves ... if it is really so... thus giving you the benefit of the doubt ... that so flabbergasts you.