Jesus became Immortal

[Hiddenthings]

OK well- If there is no question then why do you continue to reply to me? I have not read your thread. I've told you why. It's always a standstill when we speak and always will be until you recognize who the Word of God is who came in the flesh.

If you're not interested in the thread, I'll cease from tagging you - easy! You can retreat defeated, or deal with the evidence.

Either your gain, or loss.

 

[PS95]

On this we agree! But Christ started his existence like you!

Here is where you mess up. Yes, Jesus was born and began his ministry, but He is not only just like me or you. His FATHER IS GOD.
My father was a product of sexual intercourse and so was I, and my father is dead in the ground.

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law..."

Of course God is his Father and you were not born under the Law!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here is where you mess up. Yes, Jesus was born and began his ministry, but He is not only just like me or you. His FATHER IS GOD.

Conception by the power of the HS.

My father was a product of sexual intercourse and so was I, and my father is dead in the ground.

Correct. Only difference

Again, last Adam became life giving

Imagine the strength of that Victory! not the facade you have...

1 Corinthians 15:57: "But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

If you only understood the word "through"...we wouldn't be having this discussion

What was the Victory over PS95? Romans 8:1-3; Hebrews 2:14 - end?

Read up and wise up!

 

[PS95]

Conception by the power of the HS.

Oh please. "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and The power of the Most High will overshadow you and for that reason the holy child will be called the Son of God"
You want to tell me that Jesus isn't God's Son now too?

Correct. Only difference
Again, last Adam became life giving
Imagine the strength of that Victory! not the facade you have...

Sorry but I still have no idea what your issue is- Are you attempting to tell me that Jesus had no life in Himself? lol
It echoes
1 Cor 15:21- For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. / For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Ro 5:19For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.-

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

John 10:28-I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

John 17:2 For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

I see you have the word became in bold. I guess that is your confusion?
In the Greek became in there once and it refers to Adam. It is not repeated. Jesus is a life giving/quickening spirit. See below-

οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζωοποιοῦν.
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To be frank, I don't see a real difference either way though.
Contextually, Paul is saying that Adam had natural body from dust which is first-- and a spiritual body is what Jesus has-- (and we will also because of Him)
1 Cor 15:45
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” f ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we g bear the image of the heavenly man.
50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—

1 Corinthians 15:57: "But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

If you only understood the word "through"...we wouldn't be having this discussion

What was the Victory over PS95? Romans 8:1-3; Hebrews 2:14 - end?

Read up and wise up!

Through is DIA. It is confused often to try to make stupid points by cults who forget it's has several meanings. I understand the word just fine, thanks. Apparently, you have no idea about what I know and don't know. You assume too much.
God gives us victory through Christ. I agree. And?
I have no idea what your deal is. I've told you that I don't have the need to be taught by you as you deny the Lord is the Word who became flesh.
I do recall you well now, and you never respect when someone says that they don't wish to further a conversation with you. You are always quite rude and arrogant and pompous. We have danced this dance before.
So have your last word. I will not respond. I'm out. I can not communicate with you.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Oh please. "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and The power of the Most High will overshadow you and for that reason the holy child will be called the Son of God"
You want to tell me that Jesus isn't God's Son now too?

Interesting point PS95

Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man 78 times in the Gospel

How many times does he call himself the Son of God?

But don't fret PS95 he was and is the Son of God only that he knew he had an agony to go through UNTIL he could be declared the Son of God with Power and receive a change of nature.

BTW that was linking Luke 12:50 and Romans 1:1-3 together if you missed it!

Sorry but I still have no idea what your issue is- Are you attempting to tell me that Jesus had no life in Himself? lol
It echoes
1 Cor 15:21- For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. / For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Correct - but you do not show how Christ became Alive himself!

Ro 5:19For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Ah right, so it's on the basis of Christ's obedience - now you are getting closer!

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.-

Boy, you are a tricky customer! John 5:26 "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself."

This is precisely what I was talking about - cherry picking verses without checking the context!

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

John 10:28-I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

John 17:2 For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

You're missing the point, PS95. Quoting verses that show what Jesus became doesn't answer the real question, you need to explain how he became life, light, and so on, not just state that he is.

I see you have the word became in bold. I guess that is your confusion?
In the Greek became in there once and it refers to Adam. It is not repeated. Jesus is a life giving/quickening spirit. See below-

οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζωοποιοῦν.
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To be frank, I don't see a real difference either way though.

You wouldn't because you don't want to see the reality!

Contextually, Paul is saying that Adam had natural body from dust which is first-- and a spiritual body is what Jesus has-- (and we will also because of Him)
1 Cor 15:45
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Okay so you are now drawing closer to the truth.

3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh 4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord Ro 1:3–4.

Why would the Holy Spirit declare Jesus to be the Son of God with Power by the resurrection from the dead?

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being” f ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we g bear the image of the heavenly man.
50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—

No comments just posting evidence which supports that Jesus was the Son of Man who became the Son of God with Power - he was made perfect and became eternal salvation to all who believe.

Through is DIA. It is confused often to try to make stupid points by cults who forget it's has several meanings. I understand the word just fine, thanks. Apparently, you have no idea about what I know and don't know. You assume too much.

I assume you have proven absolutely nothing in this post.

God gives us victory through Christ. I agree. And?
I have no idea what your deal is. I've told you that I don't have the need to be taught by you as you deny the Lord is the Word who became flesh.
I do recall you well now, and you never respect when someone says that they don't wish to further a conversation with you. You are always quite rude and arrogant and pompous. We have danced this dance before.
So have your last word. I will not respond. I'm out. I can not communicate with you.

Your reply lacked evidence.

I respect your decision to leave the conversation.

All I can hope for is your future reading of the Word will highlight and remind you of these truths.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name...Phil 2:8

If you believe there’s no distinction between Christ in the flesh and Christ who became the source of eternal salvation, then how do you explain God highly exalting Him?

What exactly was given to Jesus as part of that exaltation?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Because you have an incorrect view of angels (and the apocalypse) there is some error in your post. Angels cannot die - they are immortal.

No, sorry….if an angel can be destroyed, then they are not immortal. They have a very different existence to material beings like us who depend on external factors to stay alive….(water, food and oxygen) which God created to sustain us here on planet earth. It was to be our permanent home.
As spirit creatures, angels have no such need, nor do they reproduce because each one is an individual creation.
An immortal has “the power of an indestructible life” so because Satan and his angels are going to end up in the lake of fire, they will be destroyed….so they have no natural cause of death like those of the human race descended from Adam. At the creation of man, there was no natural cause of death…but now we have many.

Any being which cannot die is immortal - Christs words stand true!

Luke 20:36"...for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

Its all in the interpretation….they cannot die from the effects of Adam’s sin anymore, but that doesn’t meant that no one will die in the future. The lake of fire remains forever as the receptacle for any who may want to abuse their free will in the future….after all, who caused the devil to sin in the first place, so that he tempted the woman to trap the man in a conflict of loyalties?
Since Adam and his wife were also free willed, and had no sin nature to bring them down, the sin of the three original rebels is inexcusable.

But since you don’t believe in the devil…he‘s already gained a victory.

The reason you're confused is that you're misinterpreting apocalyptic symbolism and wrongly applying it to angels.

Well, it appears to me that you are the one doing the misinterpreting…but that is just my opinion.
We all express our opinions here, but not all of them can be right….Jesus will tell us all soon enough if we are waiting for the train on the wrong platform. (Matt 7:21-23)

But you are correct in saying Jesus was rewarded with immortality.

Scripture tells us that it is impossible for God to do two things….lie…and die.
Humans are very experienced in both.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No, sorry….if an angel can be destroyed, then they are not immortal.

Correct, angels cannot be destroyed or die. As I mentioned earlier, you're drawing that idea from a misinterpretation of prophetic symbolism, and not from any clear teaching in Scripture.

You know I’m right.

Divine angels possess God’s nature, they share in His divine, immortal essence.

Let me make my point even clearer:

Show me one Scripture, in the Old Testament or anywhere outside of Revelation, that teaches divine angels can die.

I’ll wait.

And if you can’t, then ask yourself: Why would you let a highly symbolic book override the clear words of Christ, your Lord?

Luke 20:35–36 “But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”

Hebrews 1:13–14 “And to which of the angels has he ever said, ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?”

Jane, are not ALL ministering Spirits (angels) sent to serve?

It’s an easy mistake to make, Jane, one that millions of Christians have made before you. If you’re ever interested in learning more about these passages in Revelation and their true meaning, feel free to send me a message anytime.

As it stands your belief opposes the Lord and the Apostle Paul.

 

[David in NJ]

Of all the people I have studied the Bible with over many years, those who were the most shocked, and most appreciative of the truth of the Bible were former Catholics, taught the value of blind obedience to ritual, but never taught how to have a relationship with God and his son on a personal level.…and never taught the value of scripture over church tradition.
I see that the both of you are in limbo (pardon the pun).
No one can be a Christian in isolation from other Christians, but with so many making the claim, how does one discern who is telling the truth? When Scripture is mistranslated and misinterpreted how can any of us know who God’s “people” are?

The apostle Paul revealed that all who are genuine disciples of Christ must all subscribe to the same truth with no divisions among them….(1 Cor 1:10)….so the “body of Christ” or those who make up the “bride“ that Christ will take to heaven, must of necessity all be on the same page, theologically speaking. That leaves the ‘lone rangers’ out on a limb.…knowing that the church system has failed them, but not finding any among those professing “Christians” to uphold what they believe is the truth. So where is God for those wandering in this “no man’s land”?

Could it be that they are looking n the wrong place for the hidden treasure?
According to scripture, Jesus told his disciples some important details about those who are saved….

1) He said that they would be “few” among “many“ who are rejected. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) We all have the choice of two paths…one leads to life and the other to destruction. At the end of the day we are all either “sheep or goats”….or….”wheat or weeds”. God does not read labels…he reads hearts.

2) He said that they would be hated and persecuted, and lies told about them. (John 15:18-21; Matt 5:11)
Just as in Jesus’ day, people like to believe the lies rather than what the truth would reveal about the validity of their worship. Are they slaves to religious traditions that have no place among God’s people?
What is the place that God’s people have to remove themselves from? How can we identify “Babylon the great”? (Rev 18:4-5)

3) They had to “know the only true God AND the one he sent, Jesus Christ”. (John 17:3)

With just that criteria, we can eliminate most of Christendom, and also many of the ‘lone rangers’ who seem to be in a constant state of frustration at not being able to locate a suitable church…..we cannot worship the true God in isolation from other Christians, especially now when “the end” is so close. (Heb 10:24-25; Matt 24:14; 28:19-20)

The witness is being given, but “just like the days of Noah”…who is paying attention to the messengers? (Matt 24:37-39)

My favorite Aunt, Good Morning

We lost interent yesterday, so i will read this sometime today.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Of all the people I have studied the Bible with over many years, those who were the most shocked, and most appreciative of the truth of the Bible were former Catholics, taught the value of blind obedience to ritual, but never taught how to have a relationship with God and his son on a personal level.…and never taught the value of scripture over church tradition.
I see that the both of you are in limbo (pardon the pun).
No one can be a Christian in isolation from other Christians, but with so many making the claim, how does one discern who is telling the truth? When Scripture is mistranslated and misinterpreted how can any of us know who God’s “people” are?

The apostle Paul revealed that all who are genuine disciples of Christ must all subscribe to the same truth with no divisions among them….(1 Cor 1:10)….so the “body of Christ” or those who make up the “bride“ that Christ will take to heaven, must of necessity all be on the same page, theologically speaking. That leaves the ‘lone rangers’ out on a limb.…knowing that the church system has failed them, but not finding any among those professing “Christians” to uphold what they believe is the truth. So where is God for those wandering in this “no man’s land”?

Could it be that they are looking n the wrong place for the hidden treasure?
According to scripture, Jesus told his disciples some important details about those who are saved….

1) He said that they would be “few” among “many“ who are rejected. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) We all have the choice of two paths…one leads to life and the other to destruction. At the end of the day we are all either “sheep or goats”….or….”wheat or weeds”. God does not read labels…he reads hearts.

2) He said that they would be hated and persecuted, and lies told about them. (John 15:18-21; Matt 5:11)
Just as in Jesus’ day, people like to believe the lies rather than what the truth would reveal about the validity of their worship. Are they slaves to religious traditions that have no place among God’s people?
What is the place that God’s people have to remove themselves from? How can we identify “Babylon the great”? (Rev 18:4-5)

3) They had to “know the only true God AND the one he sent, Jesus Christ”. (John 17:3)

With just that criteria, we can eliminate most of Christendom, and also many of the ‘lone rangers’ who seem to be in a constant state of frustration at not being able to locate a suitable church…..we cannot worship the true God in isolation from other Christians, especially now when “the end” is so close. (Heb 10:24-25; Matt 24:14; 28:19-20)

The witness is being given, but “just like the days of Noah”…who is paying attention to the messengers? (Matt 24:37-39)

I would have liked to have found a church that follows the Teachings of Christ but I have better, I have Christ who has manifested to me 2 times already in visions, and several times in amazing dreams and I need nothing else really. I am not a lone ranger on the contrary, Christ is with me always. If one day I find His true church ill join happily but for now it is not the case. As for my truths, they are the same as what Jesus was teaching and the original 11. Know also that I never add my personal interpretation to scripture but rely completely to what the Holy Spirit teaches me and reveals to me. I can tell you that the more I read the more I know and understand things I did not see before. I see and know from a vision a few years back, that the end times are coming fast, all is about to go bananas...Jacob's troubles are upon us which means Christ will return within this generation.

Blsssings.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I would have liked to have found a church that follows the Teachings of Christ but I have better, I have Christ who has manifested to me 2 times already in visions, and several times in amazing dreams and I need nothing else really. I am not a lone ranger on the contrary, Christ is with me always. If one day I find His true church ill join happily but for now it is not the case. As for my truths, they are the same as what Jesus was teaching and the original 11. Know also that I never add my personal interpretation to scripture but rely completely to what the Holy Spirit teaches me and reveals to me. I can tell you that the more I read the more I know and understand things I did not see before. I see and know from a vision a few years back, that the end times are coming fast, all is about to go bananas...Jacob's troubles are upon us which means Christ will return within this generation.

Blsssings.

It’s good that you feel confident, but confidence alone is no guarantee of truth. Do you know how many people there are who make the same, or similar claims as yourself, all equally confident? If they all disagree with one another however, then how can you tell the truth from a clever deception? Does God speak with a forked tongue? Wouldn’t his powerful spirit unite his worshippers in one truth?

Do you not think that the deceiver can sidetrack people on the path to life with supernatural visions and dreams? He has a whole arsenal of spiritistic ‘weapons’. He is the counterfeit “god of this world” who has the power to ”blind the minds of unbelievers”. (2 Cor 4:3-4) Think about that….the power to “blind the minds” of susceptible people. He is a pretender…and clever mimic.

God has always has his “people”….separated and different to all others. But they were always gathered into one unique “nation” who all held one truth. When divisions took place, and men gathered people into denominations, God left those ones to their own “delusions”.
Even back in the first century, by the end of the apostolic period, an apostasy was “already at work”, so this falling away from the truth is nothing new…it has had centuries to fester and grow into something that God finds repulsive.
As Paul said, there was a restraining influence whilst the apostles were alive, but once the restraint was gone, apostasy gained ground…and very rapidly.

2 Thess 2:7-12…..
”For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.” (NASB)

Step back and see what God has observed and foretold to take place since the end of the first century.
What is seen as “wickedness” from God’s standpoint is viewed as “truth” by the deceptions of the devil, whom the Bible says can transform himself into “an angel of light” in order to lure people into his trap.

God makes his united worshippers cohesive by his spirit and teaches them one truth…bringing them together in love (1 Cor 1:10; John 13:35 )….not locally, but globally. Christianity is no longer a religion of one nation….it is a global body who are different to others who claim Jesus as their ”Lord”. (Matt 7:21-23) The ones to whom Jesus will say…”I never knew you!”

“Wheat and weeds” are now clearly evident as they share nothing in common….and it’s the “wheat” who are in the minority…hated and persecuted for being different, just as Jesus’ first disciples were. (John 15:18-21)

This is why I fear for those who trust in the supernatural…those who think that God is guiding them but cannot find a brotherhood. It’s not just a church you need to join…it’s a global brotherhood with whom you must fellowship as Paul said…

Hebrews 10:23-25…
”Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.“ (NASB)

As you agree, the days for this world are drawing to a close, and Jesus will soon let humanity know if they were worshipping his Father “in spirit and truth”…..but Christ’s true disciples will not be individuals scattered among the churches of Christendom…they will have removed themselves from all false religious systems known as “Babylon the great” (Rev 18:4-5)….which is satan’s extensive world empire of false worship…..designed to attract all kinds of people into his web of deceit. All subscribing to a trilogy of false religious concepts…belief in immortal souls, a multiplicity of gods, and a “hell” of eternal torture for the non-compliant.
Every form of false worship subscribes to some or all of those concepts…proving that they are not from God, because his nation of Israel were never taught such concepts. They had one God, no belief in immortal souls, and no such place as “hell”.

 

[PS95]

It’s good that you feel confident, but confidence alone is no guarantee of truth. Do you know how many people there are who make the same, or similar claims as yourself, all equally confident? If they all disagree with one another however, then how can you tell the truth from a clever deception? Does God speak with a forked tongue? Wouldn’t his powerful spirit unite his worshippers in one truth?

Do you not think that the deceiver can sidetrack people on the path to life with supernatural visions and dreams? He has a whole arsenal of spiritistic ‘weapons’. He is the counterfeit “god of this world” who has the power to ”blind the minds of unbelievers”. (2 Cor 4:3-4) Think about that….the power to “blind the minds” of susceptible people. He is a pretender…and clever mimic.

God has always has his “people”….separated and different to all others. But they were always gathered into one unique “nation” who all held one truth. When divisions took place, and men gathered people into denominations, God left those ones to their own “delusions”.
Even back in the first century, by the end of the apostolic period, an apostasy was “already at work”, so this falling away from the truth is nothing new…it has had centuries to fester and grow into something that God finds repulsive.
As Paul said, there was a restraining influence whilst the apostles were alive, but once the restraint was gone, apostasy gained ground…and very rapidly.

2 Thess 2:7-12…..
”For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.” (NASB)

Step back and see what God has observed and foretold to take place since the end of the first century.
What is seen as “wickedness” from God’s standpoint is viewed as “truth” by the deceptions of the devil, whom the Bible says can transform himself into “an angel of light” in order to lure people into his trap.

God makes his united worshippers cohesive by his spirit and teaches them one truth…bringing them together in love (1 Cor 1:10; John 13:35 )….not locally, but globally. Christianity is no longer a religion of one nation….it is a global body who are different to others who claim Jesus as their ”Lord”. (Matt 7:21-23) The ones to whom Jesus will say…”I never knew you!”

“Wheat and weeds” are now clearly evident as they share nothing in common….and it’s the “wheat” who are in the minority…hated and persecuted for being different, just as Jesus’ first disciples were. (John 15:18-21)

This is why I fear for those who trust in the supernatural…those who think that God is guiding them but cannot find a brotherhood. It’s not just a church you need to join…it’s a global brotherhood with whom you must fellowship as Paul said…

Hebrews 10:23-25…
”Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.“ (NASB)

As you agree, the days for this world are drawing to a close, and Jesus will soon let humanity know if they were worshipping his Father “in spirit and truth”…..but Christ’s true disciples will not be individuals scattered among the churches of Christendom…they will have removed themselves from all false religious systems known as “Babylon the great” (Rev 18:4-5)….which is satan’s extensive world empire of false worship…..designed to attract all kinds of people into his web of deceit. All subscribing to a trilogy of false religious concepts…belief in immortal souls, a multiplicity of gods, and a “hell” of eternal torture for the non-compliant.
Every form of false worship subscribes to some or all of those concepts…proving that they are not from God, because his nation of Israel were never taught such concepts. They had one God, no belief in immortal souls, and no such place as “hell”.

Your entire post is promoting the false religion of JWs and attacking Christians. I SEE that. I know what JWs think and do.
You know that. Why lie in your signature?
JWs amazingly believe that the 1st century apostasy was so vast that it all but destroyed Christ's churches UNTIL Charles Taze Russell came on the scene with his false prophecy of Christ's return in 1874.
JWs are none other than another "restoration" cult of many- who appeared at that time- who also happen to be false prophets and who teach a new and very different "good news" which is a complete lie and unknown to the Apostles you claim to restore.
Now if you call that bashing poor JWs-- I told 100% truth- What do you call what you just wrote if that was not bashing of Christianity?

 

[PS95]

Hey! The Watchtower Society makes robots- but at least they teach the majority of TRUTH, unlike most churches!

LOL Majority of truth? JWs teach-
1) Jesus did not pay the debt of your personal sins- just Adamic sin (adam is not forgiven)

2) When a JW dies physically that is how they have paid for their sins, so they will be resurrected sinless because they died.

3) The deeds you do in this life will not be judged since by death you became sinless.

4) They will have a literal 1000 year judgment where they can earn everlasting life on earth if they don't sin.

5) Non JWS who rejected Christ will be resurrected to be taught by JWs on earth, so they too can earn life during the 1000 years

6) Michael and the apostles along with JWs- will rule over the earth with new rules to obey. (144K)

7) JWs are the locusts of Revelation to harm anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit's sealing. (knock knock- guess who?)

8) Rev 7:9- is an earthly scene

9) Jesus returned in 1914 invisibly and chose the watchtower org as His only church

10) Christianity worships satan.

DO YOU NEED MORE? I HAVE PLENTY MORE.

 

[Nancy]

@Hiddenthings

Jesus was born of The Holy Spirit, so He was without sin from His earthly "birth'. He was "with God from the beginning" He is the Alpha and the Omega. He was not with out temptation but, He always did/said what The Father did and said. He was NO mere mortal.

 

[marks]

Correct, angels cannot be destroyed or die.

You believe angels are mightier than God? I don't.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

You believe angels are mightier than God? I don't.

Much love!

This thread has laid dormant for a while Marks.

How is the irony Marks, I had just finished this post to Jerico.

If a being cannot die - can they sin?

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

What you believe is the eternal life you have in Christ is one capable of sin!

But Christ taught

Luke 20:36 "for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

What it means is the passages in the Bible all of them where you think its a fallen angel it is not!

I’d be happy to explain why we’re tempted and how our human nature compares to the divine nature that the saints will receive in the resurrection. However, it seems that some mythological ideas may be clouding your understanding, which can make it harder to see what the Scriptures actually teach.

2 Peter 1:4 "...by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire."

Jerico, you should feel rather special as there is not one Christian in this forum who can reconcile these three above quotes with fallen angel theolog.

Not one!

Green text - Condemned nature (flesh and blood)
Red Text - Eternal Nature (flesh and spirit)

Marks, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus (who you have touched!), who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

In your reply if you cannot speak according to these quotes, wait until you can!

 

[marks]

How is the irony Marks,

Irony, is it, you would teach me theology, you who believes Jesus is weaker than His Own Creation.

What you say about the Scriptures tells me that there are many things written that you do not believe. No thank you!

Oh, that's right . . . you're they guy that thinks Jesus "became" immortal. So for sure, nevermind!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Irony, is it, you would teach me theology, you who believes Jesus is weaker than His Own Creation.

What you say about the Scriptures tells me that there are many things written that you do not believe. No thank you!

Oh, that's right . . . you're they guy that thinks Jesus "became" immortal. So for sure, nevermind!

I thought you were replying to #156 and the very clear evidence provided.

Clearly you couldn't wait.

 

[marks]

I thought you were replying to #156 and the very clear evidence provided.

There's no need to reply. You have an entirely different manner of interpreting the Bible. Do you think you will convince me to cast out the plain language God speaks to us with in favor of imaginations? I don't think so. And will I convince you to believe the words written? I don't think so.

There is no need for either you to post to me, or I to post to you.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

There's no need to reply. You have an entirely different manner of interpreting the Bible. Do you think you will convince me to cast out the plain language God speaks to us with in favor of imaginations? I don't think so. And will I convince you to believe the words written? I don't think so.

There is no need for either you to post to me, or I to post to you.

Much love!

If your approach were to seriously engage with Scripture, then yes, we could have a meaningful discussion. But it's clear that you place more value on your own opinions than on the Word itself, otherwise you would have addressed the text directly.

For example, if you believe that Jesus was not given life, you should be able to provide evidence for that claim. But since you can’t, the point remains unproven.