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Jesus Is God: Part 1

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Hidden In Him, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    @Ziggy Bearing in mind the mystery of the Incarnation (John 1.14), it is heartening also to remember that the Lord Jesus, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last (Revelation) is the eternal Son of God: 'Unto the Son, He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever' (Hebrews 1).
     
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  2. Wrangler

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    We all know you have talked about time constraints. Until you have the time to reply, let who responds have their moment in the sun. Lighten up bud. You started a good thread.

    Now onto the point. Request denied. (Requests are not to be 'respected.' They are to be answered.) APAK answered 'no' (by implication) but it is you who seem to struggle with respect here. Listen, we are all God's children here. We all love the word of God and we all call Jesus our master (lord) and savior.

    I love your contributions to this thread. Your posts are quite thoughtful and I enjoy the exchanges were we have different doctrines. Thanks!
     
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  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    No I'm not denying that God is testifying of himself.
    Hugs
     
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    Backlit Well-Known Member

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    It makes sense of you consider the Son laying aside His glory in order to become a man. Philippians 2.
     
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  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    The Son is the Word that was spoken.
    Gee this could get graphic...

    The Word is the seed which came from God's mouth.
    wrap that around your mind..

    This seed became flesh and dwelt among us.
    Only way there can be an Incarnation is if no man was involved. It is not by human seed which comes from other parts.
    This seed came from the mouth of God.
    He gave His Word.

    I will spew thee out of my mouth... luke warm... what is that??

    I was thinking this morning about idle words.
    What does idle mean?
    the motors running but your not going nowhere.

    Idle words would be like talking but making no progress, just blowing hot air..
    When God speaks, There is No idleness in there.
    He sends his word, it does what it is sent to do, and returns to him not empty.
    All that my father hath given me...
    That word came and returned bountifully.
    And is still active today... and forever more.

    Idle words just drift away..... forgotten, spinning it's own wheels and getting nowhere.

    Be ye fruitful and multiply..
    :)

    Hugs
     
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  6. Curtis

    Curtis Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, that is un spinnable - the Greek says SOU THRONOS THEOS AEION:

    SOU - thy

    THRONOS - throne

    THEOS - God

    AEION - forever

    The proper translation is therefore: thy throne, o God, is forever.
     
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  8. Ziggy

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    Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
    Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

    Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

    I see Heaven as the mind and the earth as the body.
    And we are the temple being built to be inhabited by the Lord.

    Let this mind be in you... the kingdom of heaven is within you..
    your thoughts are not my thoughts..
    where shall I lay my head?

    just thinking..
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  9. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I believe this is David’s throne.
     
  10. Ziggy

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    I need some more gravy on those potatoes brother..
    What do you mean?
    :)
    Hugs
     
  11. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    The heart of man is His eternal throne.
     
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    What is the difference between the heart and the mind?
    The heart feels and the mind thinks...
    emotions and logic
    is logic the same as wisdom?

    I'm just thinking out loud..
    (nothing unusual to see here)

    Let this mind be in you...

    Just a whataboutism...

    Dan 5:20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:

    lifted up and hardened in pride, are they the same thing?

    hard hearts I have hardened Pharoahs heart... mind hardened in pride..

    The Kingdom of God is within you..

    If we were to take off this physical flesh cloak, I wonder what we would truly look like.

    Would we be confined to one form, this body, or something more?
    I'm sure it will be interesting to find out
    :)

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  13. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    @Ziggy There has been over the centuries a lot of discussion about how exactly body, soul and spirit correspond with Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in Scripture. I do think that it's safe and wise to concentrate on the statements of Scripture about these various subjects...
     
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    Backlit, you are missing one of the key points. How do you define glory here is crucial. The Son was given glory once or twice in heaven at the right hand of his Father in heaven? I only read of one glory in heaven, after His ascension.
     
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    APAK Well-Known Member

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    Your reply is void of substance. I would stop whining and sobbing and get the the objective discussion of scripture at hand, and maybe respond to the one or two glorification periods of Christ I posed would be a mature approach forward and enhance you thread.

    If not, I'm out of your thread.

    APAK
     
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    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Well thanks for the courteous post.

    The reason for my last few exchanges with APAK is because this forum over the past years that I've been a member here has generally been characterized by a higher level of maturity regarding how the senior members addressed one another. There are several here who do so, including Amadeus and Backlit, both of whom I have some significant disagreements with theologically but who nevertheless would easily and respectfully grant my request to postpone if necessary. (Backlit is doing so at present as a matter of fact).

    Admittedly I probably should have known better by starting a thread with only a few days to participate, but APAK is still on with his antagonisms and insinuating I have nothing of substance to post, which is truly disappointing. So I appreciate a level of decency, courtesy and spiritual maturity in your response.

    God bless! And looking forward to talking with you in the future!
    Hidden
    Hey Bro. My apologies. I read through your responses, and it's certainly an interesting curiosity to think about. Whether there are scriptures to the effect that the Son of God is uncreated, that would be a different subject matter, and searching for scriptures to address it might be hard to come by.

    But maybe next go around. Thanks for the posts, and you're always good to talk to. :cool:
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    John 17:5 KJV
    [5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
    John 18:20 KJV
    [20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
    It appears the world in reference in John 17:5
    Is referring to Israel.
    Could it be possible that the word world in John 17:5 is a reference to a new age that’s foundation would be laid at Calvary?
     
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  18. Ziggy

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    I found two instances where the word "worlds" is found.
    If there is more than one world...

    Does the word world refer to foundations?
    The first world being destroyed by the flood, that which was. The world Jesus was residing in, that which is. And the new foundation being laid at calvary, that which is to come.
    If we are living in that which is to come...

    how many foundations? 12 ?

    just thinking..
    hugs
     
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  19. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    @Ziggy Interesting theme there...
     
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    Kind of scattered..
    We individually and collectively are the house/body of the Lord.
    Members in particular..
    When the Lord takes up residence in you, and the kingdom of heaven is within you, then like Waiting on Him said, the Throne is the heart.
    If the throne is the heart then heaven which the throne resides I'm thinking is the mind.

    Love the Lord thy God with all thy Heart, Mind, and Soul.
    I'm not sure if the soul is the physical body or the life in the blood in the physical body.. the spirit in man.
    But there is a difference between the heart and the mind.
    Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus..
    what kind of mind is that?

    Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
    Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

    And I understand that this way:
    2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    My Sig quotes: Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    We have this power that was given to us to overcome the enemy. The spiritual enemy. Serpents and scorpions being the liars, traitors, blasphemers, unthankful, unholy... in 2 Timothy 3.
    Having a "form" of godliness.. meaning we are Ambassadors for the Lord, we are acting in his stead.
    But denying the power to overcome these obstacles, to face them head on and call them out for who they are.. Ye Hypocrites..

    This mind of godliness is given to us by Christ to overcome the enemy. But we're not using it. Do we feel as though we are usurping God's authority by calling out evil when we see it?
    Who being in the "form" of God, thought it NOT robbery to be equal with God.

    But made himself of no reputation...
    We are not supposed to be getting on our soapbox in the middle of town square, claiming that we are God, even though we have the same power to call out evil as God does. We are not supposed to make ourselves "famous" or toot our own horn of self-righteousness.

    and took upon him the "form" of a servant.

    Let this mind be in you..

    Jhn 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

    And yet we still receive the power of Ambassadorship to walk in His name.
    Many shall come saying, I am Christ....
    making themselves more than equal, they put their own authority above the Lord.
    believe them not.

    And was made in the likeness of men.

    When we are born again... we are walking in the spirit of the Lord. And yet we still are residing in this carnal world.
    We walk among men as other men, even though inside we have been changed.

    Jesus decreased in stature at the same time raising our statures.
    He came down to raise us up.

    This mind.. is lifting others up. We are always our brother's keeper. We are always the good samaritan.

    obedient to death...
    Self denial of ego, pride, willing to put yourself on the line for another.

    This is that mind.

    What is the heart?

    Thinking..
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