Jesus isn't Catholic

[BreadOfLife]

So, how is it then that you believe that your verses refute the plain meaning of what it says in John 5:24 (kjv)?

When you cherry-pick a verse of Scripture like John 5:24 and build an entire doctrine around it - you're in trouble.
John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

James 2:19 tells us explicitly that even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God but aren't saved.
Jesus also states in Matt. 7:21:
“NOT everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven."

Do these verses refute or "disprove" John 5:24??
NO. they simply show that YOU are guilty of taking John 5:24 OUT of context.

 

[BreadOfLife]

"dad"

That's a stupid cop-out.
God COMMANDS us to "Honor your FATHER and mother" (Exod. 20:12).

- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).

- Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).

- Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).

- "For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Besides, "Dad" is simply a made up euphemism for "Father".
You've LOST this argument on Biblical grounds . . .

 

[K9Buck]

When you cherry-pick a verse of Scripture like John 5:24 and build an entire doctrine around it - you're in trouble.
John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

James 2:19 tells us explicitly that even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God but aren't saved.
Jesus also states in Matt. 7:21:
“NOT everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven."

Do these verses refute or "disprove" John 5:24??
NO. they simply show that YOU are guilty of taking John 5:24 OUT of context.

Is it possible that humans are not held to the same standard as demons considering that demons have met the almighty face-to-face wherein humans have not?

 

[K9Buck]

That's a stupid cop-out.
God COMMANDS us to "Honor your FATHER and mother" (Exod. 20:12).

- Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).

- Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).

- Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).

- "For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Besides, "Dad" is simply a made up euphemism for "Father".
You've LOST this argument on Biblical grounds . . .

Very well said. Thank you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

semantics...

That's pretty frightening if you actually believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and the rest wrote the NT in English . . .

 

[K9Buck]

That's pretty frightening if you actually believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter and the rest wrote the NT in English . . .

Do you two argue a lot?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is it possible that humans are not held to the same standard as demons considering that demons have met the almighty face-to-face wherein humans have not?

No.
The point here is "belief", which doesn't necessarily means "faith".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do you two argue a lot?

We have a person here who actually believes that the Bible, which was originally written in Hebrew and Greek - was written in English.
English didn't even exist in the first century when the bible was completed.

If you want to call that a valid "argument", then be my guest . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Obviously, the believer in Luke 8:13, who falls away, does so because he has no root in himself.

Would you say that he had epignosis?

If so, then there is a faith that is a step above epignosis, wherein the believer does have root in himself and his faith endures unto everlasting life (John 6:47).

If not, then he fell away because he did not have epignosis...

And those who do will not fall away.

Some people fall away before they actually have a root.
Others fall away after years of having an epignosis of Christ - but have returned to their former way of life - just like the disciples in John 6:66.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If he was able to convince the people that he preached to of the doctrine of entire sanctification (which is the primary doctrine that sets Nazarenes apart from other denominations), there must have been a certain holiness about his life, or else his words would have fallen on deaf ears; there would have been no power behind his message.

He could have been an outstanding preacher.
The fact STILL remains that HE started his sect - NOT Christ.

Christ built ONE Church (Matt. 16:18) - not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the personal interpretations of their leaders.

 

[K9Buck]

We have a person here who actually believes that the Bible, which was originally written in Hebrew and Greek - was written in English.
English didn't even exist in the first century when the bible was completed.

If you want to call that a valid "argument", then be my guest . . .

I don't have an argument; I just ask questions. I've noticed the vitriol that exists here. In any event, I appreciate your sharing your perspectives.

 

[Nancy]

I haven't seen that one but if you hear something unusual that I need to hear, feel free to link it to me. Thanks.(I am on his email list)

Will do!

 

[Yan]

Is it possible that humans are not held to the same standard as demons considering that demons have met the almighty face-to-face wherein humans have not?

Did Moses & all prophets and apostles called as the devils, only babylonians who ruled civilians are not the devils they're the most high and holier than thou ?
Hypocrite, all mankind are the breed of vipers.

Did Moses was also the devils ?

Numbers 12:5-9
5. And Jehovah came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the Tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forth.
6. And he said, Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known unto him in a vision, I will speak with him in a dream.
7. My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house:
8. with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?
9. And the anger of Jehovah was kindled against them; and he departed.

Did Paul was also the devil because he was face to face with God ?

Acts 9:3-7
3. And as he journeyed, it came to pass that he drew nigh unto Damascus: and suddenly there shone round about him a light out of heaven:
4. and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he [said], I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
6. but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7. And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10
7. And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch.
8. Concerning this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he hath said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for [my] power is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10. Wherefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in injuries, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

 

[K9Buck]

Did Moses & all prophets and apostles called as the devils, only babylonians who ruled civilians are not the devils they're the most high and holier than thou ?
Hypocrite, all mankind are the breed of vipers.

Did Moses was also the devils ?

Numbers 12:5-9
5. And Jehovah came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the Tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forth.
6. And he said, Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known unto him in a vision, I will speak with him in a dream.
7. My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house:
8. with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?
9. And the anger of Jehovah was kindled against them; and he departed.

Did Paul was also the devil because he was face to face with God ?

Acts 9:3-7
3. And as he journeyed, it came to pass that he drew nigh unto Damascus: and suddenly there shone round about him a light out of heaven:
4. and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he [said], I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
6. but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7. And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10
7. And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch.
8. Concerning this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he hath said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for [my] power is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10. Wherefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in injuries, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Huh?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

She's a false teacher, isn't she?

Proclaiming that to repent doesn't mean to "change your sinful ways"...

That is definitely false teaching afaic.

Renee is possibly the best Bible Teacher “ Alive”..... she has many enemies.....most Pauline Teachers Of “Grace Plus Nothing” do.....I you aren’t being persecuted or condemned for preaching the Pure Gospel , there is probably something missing from your “ message”....... Legalists hate her.....Spreaders Of Leaven hate her.....Modern Day Judaizers hate her......the Self-Righteous hate her.....the Stiff- Necked hate her......Unbelievers hate her....dumb people Hate her......Satan and his buddies REALLY hate her.....Me? I love her! Those that have “ ears to hear” understand her and the Truth Of her teachings....
Anybody that wants to understand what Repentance really means , Check out this site , where they break down the word form it’s Greek origins......chances are, it doesn’t mean what you think it means.... “ getgodsgift.com”

 

[justbyfaith]

Paul calls himself a father to the Church in Corinth, was he contradicting Jesus?

He said that he had "begotten them through the gospel"...slightly different from asking them to call him "father".

 

[justbyfaith]

When you cherry-pick a verse of Scripture like John 5:24 and build an entire doctrine around it - you're in trouble.
John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

James 2:19 tells us explicitly that even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God but aren't saved.
Jesus also states in Matt. 7:21:
“NOT everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in heaven."

Do these verses refute or "disprove" John 5:24??
NO. they simply show that YOU are guilty of taking John 5:24 OUT of context.

No...you are guilty of taking your verses out of context.

 

[justbyfaith]

"For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Probably how your Catholic Bible translates it. Figures...

 

[justbyfaith]

Renee is possibly the best Bible Teacher “ Alive”..... she has many enemies.....most Pauline Teachers Of “Grace Plus Nothing” do.....I you aren’t being persecuted or condemned for preaching the Pure Gospel , there is probably something missing from your “ message”....... Legalists hate her.....Spreaders Of Leaven hate her.....Modern Day Judaizers hate her......the Self-Righteous hate her.....the Stiff- Necked hate her......Unbelievers hate her....dumb people Hate her......Satan and his buddies REALLY hate her....

I certainly don't hate her...I do believe that she is deceived and deceiving others, however.

I will pray for her salvation.

 

[justbyfaith]

He could have been an outstanding preacher.

Without the Holy Spirit?

The fact STILL remains that HE started his sect - NOT Christ.

If he was led of the Holy Spirit and preached in the power of the Holy Spirit, I would venture to say the denomination was started by Christ.