Jesus isn't Catholic

[ChristisGod]

LOL...apparently you don't since you keep interjecting yourself....;) (friendly jab, don't take it personal)

In post #606 you stated that we know that you are not the true church.

Since you KNOW what the true church is not then you must know what the true church is? Please share....

Curious Mary

The true church is not any denomination or ism. Its people from all walks of life, nations, tribe and tongues. Its not some man-made hierarchy with brick and mortar, statues etc.................

There are no more PRIESTS in the N.T. Jesus is our One and Only Priest. The office of the Priest is the Old Testament. In the NT there is only One Priest, out High Priest who is Jesus. There is no mediators in the NT but One- Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Read the book of Hebrews which confirms the above regarding the present Mediator and Priest.

hope this helps !!!

 

[justbyfaith]

Hmmmm......so we can never figure out the truth?

This is also, not, what I have said.

 

[justbyfaith]

The true church is not any denomination or ism. Its people from all walks of life, nations, tribe and tongues. Its not some man-made hierarchy with brick and mortar, statues etc.................

There are no more PRIESTS in the N.T. Jesus is our One and Only Priest. The office of the Priest is the Old Testament. In the NT there is only One Priest, out High Priest who is Jesus. There is no mediators in the NT but One- Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Read the book of Hebrews which confirms the above regarding the present Mediator and Priest.

hope this helps !!!

Actually, brother, in the NT there is the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

We go to man on behalf of God, preaching the gospel and seeking to edify the body; and we go to God on behalf of man, seeking to make intercession for the saints according to the will of the Lord and praying for the salvation of lost souls.

But I will agree that there is one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. This means that Jesus is the only way to the Father, we do not come to God through any earthly priests.

 

[ChristisGod]

Actually, brother, in the NT there is the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

We go to man on behalf of God, preaching the gospel and seeking to edify the body; and we go to God on behalf of man, seeking to make intercession for the saints according to the will of the Lord.

Yes but I'm specifically talking about the OFFICE of Priest as per the OT.

Hebrews 7:20-28
And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes but I'm specifically talking about the OFFICE of Priest as per the OT.

Ok. I'm not sure what you mean by it. I also edited post #623 (Jesus isn't Catholic).

 

[ChristisGod]

Ok. I'm not sure what you mean by it. I also edited post #623 (Jesus isn't Catholic).

Take a break for a moment and just read through Hebrews chapters 7-9 and then you will see what I mean regarding the role of the Priest and High Priest.

Let me know what you think afterwards. Thanks !

 

[justbyfaith]

Take a break for a moment and just read through Hebrews chapters 7-9 and then you will see what I mean regarding the role of the Priest and High Priest.

Let me know what you think afterwards. Thanks !

I'm familiar with the passage.

I see that Jesus is the high priest according to the passage; and that therefore it is possible for there to be lesser priests under Him.

However, these are not those designated as priests by the Catholic Church; but rather this refers to all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

 

[Philip James]

for the prerequisite of being in the church is not to subscribe to Catholic doctrine, but to believe in Jesus Christ.

Hello justbyfaith,

There is not a faithful Catholic alive that does not believe in Jesus Christ.
So by your own metric we are catholic.

I would suggest however that the prerequisite of being in the Church is to be Baptized into Christ and not just to believe...

Peace!

 

[justbyfaith]

Hello justbyfaith,

There is not a faithful Catholic alive that does not believe in Jesus Christ.
So by your own metric we are catholic.

I would suggest however that the prerequisite of being in the Church is to be Baptized into Christ and not just to believe...

Peace!

You must place you faith wholly in Jesus and what He did for you in order to be saved.

This means rejecting the concept of Mary as co-mediatrix / co-redeemer.

 

[Marymog]

I know I'm butting in; but let me put in my two cents.

The true church consists of all those who genuinely place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ and what He did for them on the Cross, for salvation.

I don't mind your two cents...I appreciate it.
So the "true church" is anyone that tells you they have genuinely placed their faith and trust in Jesus Christ and what He did for them on the Cross for salvation?

Where does Scripture say that?

 

[Marymog]

It doesn't say that the Bereans relied on oral tradition.

It says that they tested, what Paul said to them in his preaching, by the holy scriptures.

Ummm....yup, what Paul SAID to them orally is oral tradition. After all they didn't have the writings of the NT to rely on now did they?

 

[Marymog]

The true church is not any denomination or ism. Its people from all walks of life, nations, tribe and tongues. Its not some man-made hierarchy with brick and mortar, statues etc.................

Really? The true church is people from all walks of life.

Sooooo which one of those billions of 'true churches' are we supposed to go to to fulfill Matthew 18:16 and 1 Timothy 3:15?

 

[Marymog]

This is also, not, what I have said.

Ok...sooo we can figure out the truth. Sooooo how do we figure out WHO is telling us the truth? Such a conundrum....

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't mind your two cents...I appreciate it.
So the "true church" is anyone that tells you they have genuinely placed their faith and trust in Jesus Christ and what He did for them on the Cross for salvation?

Where does Scripture say that?

No, it matters not what a person tells you.

What matters is whether they have a genuine relationship with Jesus.

If you are trying to figure out who to listen to, I say to you, be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

If you have received Jesus into your heart and life, then you have a personal relationship with Him; and an unction in your heart by which you know all things (1 John 2:20). Therefore you don't need anyone to teach you; but the anointing within you will teach you to abide in Him (1 John 2:27).

 

[justbyfaith]

Ummm....yup, what Paul SAID to them orally is oral tradition. After all they didn't have the writings of the NT to rely on now did they?

It actually had nothing to do with tradition, what Paul preached. He received his gospel directly as a revelation from the Lord (Galatians 1:12). So it was not passed down to him through the teachings of man (i,e, tradition).

Ok...sooo we can figure out the truth. Sooooo how do we figure out WHO is telling us the truth? Such a conundrum....

You need to check everything by the holy scriptures (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11). It also won't hurt you to ask the Lord to give you the Spirit of truth (Luke 11:9-13).

 

[ChristisGod]

Really? The true church is people from all walks of life.

Sooooo which one of those billions of 'true churches' are we supposed to go to to fulfill Matthew 18:16 and 1 Timothy 3:15?

The church is born again believers all over the world in different countries. The church is not a building its the people. Our small group meeting in our home is the church getting together. It can be in the park with other believers.

 

[Taken]

Cool.

ALL you have to do now is to show me where the BIBLE makes this claim.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

And you need a confirmation, Because??

Do you believe, Little Children and older incompentant ... remain Unsaved Because they can not comprehend TO confess?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

everyone who has been 'born again' is catholic, by definition..

you can't get away from us :)

Thousands of Former Catholics are getting Saved IN SPITE OF False , Perverted Catholic Doctrines.....Key Word bing “ Former”...... I have several friends that by the Grace-of God, have had their eyes opened to “ Nothing But The Blood”....I believe that many that do not make the Transition into the Truth Of Grace Living , are Saved .....they just “ fall from Grace” and endure a Walk Of Faith Full Of anxiety and Insecurity , in other words, they live a “ Crippled Christianity”. MOSt Protestants live the same sad lives.....Some disagree with my “ take” on “ Fall from Grace”.They are convinced it means one is Damned, and they can make a very good case for that belief......I hope for the sake of millions that they are mistaken...
What do you guys think ?

 

[Marymog]

No, it matters not what a person tells you.

What matters is whether they have a genuine relationship with Jesus.

If you are trying to figure out who to listen to, I say to you, be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

If you have received Jesus into your heart and life, then you have a personal relationship with Him; and an unction in your heart by which you know all things (1 John 2:20). Therefore you don't need anyone to teach you; but the anointing within you will teach you to abide in Him (1 John 2:27).

Thank you.

What I understand you to be saying is that if I determine that someone has a genuine relationship with Jesus then they are part of 'the church'?

I sincerely hope I got that right....

 

[Marymog]

The church is born again believers all over the world in different countries. The church is not a building its the people. Our small group meeting in our home is the church getting together. It can be in the park with other believers.

Sooooo which one of those billions (there are 2 billion Christians in the world) of 'born again believers' are we supposed to go to to fulfill Matthew 18:16 and 1 Timothy 3:15?