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  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    what for? you can't answer it. we have posted many, and no answers.

    ok, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt

    Question #1. In Isaiah 44:24 and in John 1:3 is this the same Person, Yes or No?

    Question #2. Dave L said: "YAHWEH = Jesus Christ. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” (Colossians 2:9) (KJV 1900)
    “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;” (Colossians 1:19) (KJV 1900)
    "

    If all your 3 persons is in that one body, .... then,
    question, "how can anyone of your 3 sit next to any of the others in the same body?".

    Question #3. since you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God in three persons".
    Question "if this is true, all your persons as YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God in three persons, is this YAHWEH/Jesus Christ the "LORD" or the "Lord"? which one?

    this should get us started. are these questions clear paragraph as you asked for?.

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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    You are missing the point. God is one indivisible Spirit with three persons, each speaks of his own will. But their wills are in concert with each other.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    you are missing the answers. I asked is your "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God in three persons" is he the "Lord" or the "LORD?" which one?

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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    God is one Spirit with three persons. Each person is God = Lord.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    U said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God". ok, now God = "Lord"? ok who is the the "LORD?", which person?.

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    The context identifies the person speaking.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    so are you saying that the "LORD" also = God? yes or no.
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    (1) There is only one God. (2) The Father is God. (3) The Son is God. (4) The Holy Spirit is God. (5) The Father is not the Son. (6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit. (7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    this is what the bible states, 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him".

    1 Corinthians 8:6 don't agree with your assessment that "EACH" person = "Lord". read 1 Corinthians 8:6 again.

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    Lord = God. And the Holy Spirit is called God in Acts. But each having different roles you are confused about.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    Is not the Father the Holy Spirit yes or no?

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    No, the Father is the Father, the Son is the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit. But all of the same single spiritual essence.
     
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    Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life". so it was the Spirit that man man. now this,
    John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    well dave you have come to an END the Holy Spirit made Man. Isaiah 45:12 "I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded".

    "I" is a single desigination, meaning ONE PERSON. in Job 1:3 it is the Holy Spirit who made Man. in John 1:3 it is the Son/Word who made man. and in Isaiah 45:12 it is the one whom called the Father made man. and that's ONE PERSON, not many so you told a fib, plain and simple.

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    I = God in trinity. And the context determines which person in the Godhead is speaking.
     
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    so we can take this as you cain't answer none of the question put forth?.... :oops: ...
    ANOTHER ERROR,

    ok, let's catch you in another fib. instead of speaking, doing, or action.
    ok, determine this context dave, who "MADE" all things, which one in your trinity "MADE" all things, remember, only one "MADE" all things, for he said "I" made all things. that's not hard to determine, so who did that, "MAKE" all things, which one? ....... :D

    Context, context, ....... who did something...... :p see dave the one who MADE everything have spoken so which one of your 3 person "MADE" ebverything ... cain't wait to hear this fib.

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    Context determines who is speaking or who did this or that. But always, God collectively does what God does.
     
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    Yes because other religions teach you to worship false idols who do not use biblical principles. Instead they base their power and dominion off of lust, greed, and their own self-worth. Whoever turns a person from the error of their ways saves themselves from a multitude of sins.

     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    first thanks for the reply, second, you just cain't tell the truth, can you?. the one true God have already spoken and now you don't know who "made" all thingss. the word of God don't lie. the one who "made" all things is the "ONE" Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, who holds the title Son/Word... John 1:3, "Who MADE all things". the Holy Spirit who, holds the Title Father .... Isaiah 44:24, "Who MADE all things". SEE HOW EASY THAT WAS TO DETERMINE WHO MADE ALL THINGS.

    you are just what the the apostle Paul warned about, 2 Timothy 3:1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2 Timothy 3:2 "For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy
    2 Timothy 3:3 "Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    2 Timothy 3:4 "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
    2 Timothy 3:6 "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    CONTEXT? God has already Spoken. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself".

    when we say you try to change your doctrine?. this is how. you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God", but you left out the Holy Spirit.

    and by saying that "YAHWEH" = Jesus Christ now. you combine the Fatther and the Son and just said, Oh it's God. I thought I never would see the day when a trinitarian would tell a "FIB" in order to try in cover for their doctrine, instead of just admitting the truth, a "fib" is used. now, in context, did you not say that they, (your 3 persons) are separate and "DISTINCT"? and you don't know which one is speaking?. that's mass confusion. "YAHWEH" as many have said, is the Father ... "LORD" all cap. and the son ... Jesus the Christ is "Lord". but now, according to you, it could be anyone of them... LOL.

    anytime one has to update, or change their beliefs to make their doctrine fit to what thay have already stated, that tells me you didn't get it from God in the First place. doctrine suppose to be TRUTHS based on Scriptures, which are TRUE, ... the TRUTH. but we see, ERROR after ERROR, FIB, after FIB, deception after deception. a change here, and a change there.

    TRUTH don't change. anyone can go back and make adjustments over time, but not complete changes. anything we have said, any Posts we made, one will find it is constance, never changing.

    now YAHWEH the LORD is now the "Lord" also, for you said,
    God now = Lord, as well as God = LORD. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". you asked me if God talk to himself? and I answered yes. but now do you see it ...... your own words are coming back to haunt you.

    and another hunting. the question was asked, "how can God pray with himsel?". if the Lord = God, and the LORD = God, according to dave he can. but dave have no understanding as to how this can be done, or accomplish by God HIMSELF. ........... answer, "Diversity" ....

    another Hunting, since God =the Lord and the LORD. Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward". "the", here is the definite article, which means 1. a determiner ( the in English) that introduces a noun phrase and implies that the thing mentioned has already been mentioned. 2. the word "the" used in English to refer to a person or thing that is identified or specified. The major function of a definite article is to emphasize the noun it is placed before. It specifies a noun that could be an object, a person, a place, or a thing. It comes before a noun or a noun phrase.

    so we see here in "CONTEXT" that the "LORD" is the "Lord", a "SINGLE PERSON".

    Isaiah 51:22 "Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again". here we get all together, "LORD", "Lord" who is the ONE God.

    we see here in "CONTEXT" that the "LORD" is the "Lord", a "SINGLE PERSON", who is God.

    Ezekiel 20:5 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God;

    here in "CONTEXT" the "LORD" is the "Lord", a "SINGLE PERSON" the SAME PERSON that was with them in Egypt. "I", who is God, not THEY. are God but "I" am God. Single Person.

    One can find this throughout the bible.

    so now the Lie has change again. all the three separate and "distinct" supposed persons have the same name now. how is that "distinct"?

    the same 3 separate and "distinct" person can be, notice, "can be", either the "LORD" or the "Lord", depending on context... how is that "distinct"?. now you have to determine who's speaking? what if you determine wrong? THAT'S DECEPTION, and that's "CONFUSION". God is not the God of "CONFUSION". and then this is added, "But always, God collectively does what God does". but always? collectively? ..... another cover to claim one didn't do it if the context is prove wrong. other words, a way out if the "fib" is exposed out of CONTEXT. what a deceiving con Job.

    conclusion, if one has to change their doctrine to cover ERRORS in the past, and use deception to help cover up a, "fib", then one's doctrine need to be question as to is it of God... or of men.

    since we're ..... seeing who is "speaking" ... in CONTEXT? ... this is a ..... "SPEAKING" indictment by the word of God, "THE HOLY SPIRIT", he is speaking, since we're ..... determining who is "speaking" ... in CONTEXT ...

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    If you study John 1:ff and then look at the context where God speaks or acts, you can discern which person of the Godhead is manifesting himself. Otherwise, you can just say God is manifesting himself and keep safe.
     
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    So important to be well versed in Scripture, prayerfully, and keep 'looking unto Jesus' (Hebrews 12.2).
     
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