JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

[101G]

If you study John 1:ff and then look at the context where God speaks or acts, you can discern which person of the Godhead is manifesting himself. Otherwise, you can just say God is manifesting himself and keep safe.

so which of your three person is Manifesting himself?.

U said, "you can just say God is manifesting himself and keep safe" cannot buy that, and here's why, 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation".

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

so which of your three person is Manifesting himself?.

U said, "you can just say God is manifesting himself and keep safe" cannot buy that, and here's why, 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation".

PICJAG

What does the context say?

 

[101G]

What does the context say?

the context say the WORD, the Son Manifested himself, and did you not say "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God".

so if JESUS CHRIST = GOD, then tell how " God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, as 2 Corinthians 5:19 states if Jesus Christ is God? please explain.

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

the context say the WORD, the Son Manifested himself, and did you not say "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God".

so if JESUS CHRIST = GOD, then tell how " God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, as 2 Corinthians 5:19 states if Jesus Christ is God? please explain.

PICJAG

You need to differentiate between the eternal Son of God and the incarnate Son of Man.

 

[101G]

You need to differentiate between the eternal Son of God and the incarnate Son of Man.

but you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God", so is not Jesus the Christ the son of man. and the apostle states that God was in Christ. and the Son of man is christ. so your explination is in ERROR.

understand if it was the eternal Son manifesting, then it's the Son of man who manifested. for the son of man is ETERNAL. did he not come from heaven?

so the Christ, WWho is Jesus and you said that "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God".

so the question how can the Christ be in the son of man?

answer please.

 

[Dave L]

but you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God", so is not Jesus the Christ the son of man. and the apostle states that God was in Christ. and the Son of man is christ. so your explination is in ERROR.

understand if it was the eternal Son manifesting, then it's the Son of man who manifested. for the son of man is ETERNAL. did he not come from heaven?

so the Christ, WWho is Jesus and you said that "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God".

so the question how can the Christ be in the son of man?

answer please.

If you study Christology in any standard seminary level theology book you will be able to understand these passages and more.

 

[101G]

If you study Christology in any standard seminary level theology book you will be able to understand these passages and more.

I understand the passage very well.

see dave you told a "fib".

the Son of man CAME, and the son of Man is from Heaven, Spirit. If it was the son of man who manifested, then how can he be in Christ who is God. For you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God", but the apostle said, that God was in Christ. See your error now?.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

I understand the passage very well.

see dave you told a "fib".

the Son of man CAME, and the son of Man is from Heaven, Spirit. If it was the son of man who manifested, then how can he be in Christ who is God. For you said, "YAHWEH/Jesus Christ = God", but the apostle said, that God was in Christ. See your error now?.

PICJAG.

You are not showing an understanding of the nature of Christ the man or of Christ who is God.

“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Corinthians 5:19) (KJV 1900)

 

[101G]

You are not showing an understanding of the nature of Christ the man or of Christ who is God.

not me you. we have already gave the explination, and now give it again. God is a diversity of "himself" in flesh. simple, and true.

see, you used the cover, the term "God", for all your three persons as one, and now that definition of God you has tried to use has now got you in a bind and cannot get out of.

nor your standard seminary level theology book will help you now.

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

not me you. we have already gave the explination, and now give it again. God is a diversity of "himself" in flesh. simple, and true.

see, you used the cover, the term "God", for all your three persons as one, and now that definition of God you has tried to use has now got you in a bind and cannot get out of.

nor your standard seminary level theology book will help you now.

PICJAG

You are confusing the eternal Son with the incarnate Son of man. No Sunday School kid has any problem with these verses.

 

[farouk]

I do think it's clear and sensible to say from Scripture that the Lord Jesus is both God and Man. I don't think that it's so sensible to read Gospel passages and say, Here He is being God, and there He is being Man, etc. He is gloriously both God and Man, John 1.14; 1 Timothy 3.16.

 

[101G]

You are confusing the eternal Son with the incarnate Son of man. No Sunday School kid has any problem with these verses.

nope, no confusion here, you're the one confused. well I guess you better enroll at your local sunday school.

listen, the "ONLY" ETERNAL one is the Spirit, who wear the title "SON". your mistake is this, you have given a title, to be a separate and distinct PERSON. that's your mistake. the ETERNAL Spirit shared himself in flesh as a man. that's the ETERNAL "SON". the diversified or SHARED Spirit of God who is ETERNAL, the SAME PERSON is the Only eternal one, just as 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". and that ONLY ETERNAL one's ARM was in that FLESH BODY, better known as the SON of Man..... supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".

the express image of his, his, his, his, person. and the express IMAGE here is the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.

see definition #3. “character”. dave do you know what “character” means in the bible, metaphorically, or Spiritually? ... "SON", BINGO, Oop's there it is. it is the Greek word, G5207, huios, when use metaphorically, or Spiritually it means "SON", BINGO, there's the title.
Christ is the express/SON/IMAGE/Character of his, his, his, "PERSON". meaning the Spirit/God the Holy Spirit. "his Person", meaning that Jesus the Christ is the Diversity, or the Offspring of GOD the Spirit in flesh.

see SON is a title of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in FLESH. without flesh in the OT, the Spirit, the holy Spirit is called "Father", which is a TITLE, meaning the beginning of all thing, or the first, or the source of all things. that's why you could not answer John 1:3 and isaiah 44:24. it's the same person with and without flesh.

see how easy we can explain it. remember we said to describe this action of Diversity, or the Sharing of ONESELF or the incarnation of ONESELF in flesh is described in the greek word, G243 Allos. and it means, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort".

"a numerical difference"? ... like in 1 and 2 like in "Father" and "Son". but of the "SAME" sort, as in the one and same person.

this is simple to follow.

PICJAG.

 

[farouk]

“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Corinthians 5:19) (KJV 1900)

Great verse!

"Peace on earth, and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled!"

 

[Dave L]

nope, no confusion here, you're the one confused. well I guess you better enroll at your local sunday school.

listen, the "ONLY" ETERNAL one is the Spirit, who wear the title "SON". your mistake is this, you have given a title, to be a separate and distinct PERSON. that's your mistake. the ETERNAL Spirit shared himself in flesh as a man. that's the ETERNAL "SON". the diversified or SHARED Spirit of God who is ETERNAL, the SAME PERSON is the Only eternal one, just as 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen". and that ONLY ETERNAL one's ARM was in that FLESH BODY, better known as the SON of Man..... supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".

the express image of his, his, his, his, person. and the express IMAGE here is the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.

see definition #3. “character”. dave do you know what “character” means in the bible, metaphorically, or Spiritually? ... "SON", BINGO, Oop's there it is. it is the Greek word, G5207, huios, when use metaphorically, or Spiritually it means "SON", BINGO, there's the title.
Christ is the express/SON/IMAGE/Character of his, his, his, "PERSON". meaning the Spirit/God the Holy Spirit. "his Person", meaning that Jesus the Christ is the Diversity, or the Offspring of GOD the Spirit in flesh.

see SON is a title of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in FLESH. without flesh in the OT, the Spirit, the holy Spirit is called "Father", which is a TITLE, meaning the beginning of all thing, or the first, or the source of all things. that's why you could not answer John 1:3 and isaiah 44:24. it's the same person with and without flesh.

see how easy we can explain it. remember we said to describe this action of Diversity, or the Sharing of ONESELF or the incarnation of ONESELF in flesh is described in the greek word, G243 Allos. and it means, Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort".

"a numerical difference"? ... like in 1 and 2 like in "Father" and "Son". but of the "SAME" sort, as in the one and same person.

this is simple to follow.

PICJAG.

Like I say, any Sunday school kid takes these verses as written and understands God through them. If you don't know the elementary principles of Christianity, you can not expect to understand these verses no matter how old and studied you are.

 

[101G]

Like I say, any Sunday school kid takes these verses as written and understands God through them. If you don't know the elementary principles of Christianity, you can not expect to understand these verses no matter how old and studied you are.

well dave it seems like you cannot understand these things we say. Luke 5:36 "And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luke 5:37 "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luke 5:38 "But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luke 5:39 "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

old wine, old sins and lusts unto them: carnal lusts may be signified by old wine, but old things has PASSED away, behold all things are MADE new.

yes, new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

see dave the Gospel, the NEW WINE is for NEW VESSELS, so they boht are preserved." remember what we said, "until this Gospel, this "NEW WINE" is preached into all the world then the end".

and the reason why U cannot understand what we're saying is this, Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues".
you have not hear this "new tongue". this new tongue fills new vessels with this new wine. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". as the apostle paul said, Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

so we say in this new tongue, "who hath believed our report?" has they "OBEYED?". the same report the Lord Jesus gave, the same report the aposstles gave, the same report the disciples gave, the same report we give, FOR IT IS WRITTEN

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

well dave it seems like you cannot understand these things we say. Luke 5:36 "And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luke 5:37 "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luke 5:38 "But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luke 5:39 "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

old wine, old sins and lusts unto them: carnal lusts may be signified by old wine, but old things has PASSED away, behold all things are MADE new.

yes, new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

see dave the Gospel, the NEW WINE is for NEW VESSELS, so they boht are preserved." remember what we said, "until this Gospel, this "NEW WINE" is preached into all the world then the end".

and the reason why U cannot understand what we're saying is this, Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues".
you have not hear this "new tongue". this new tongue fills new vessels with this new wine. "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". as the apostle paul said, Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

so we say in this new tongue, "who hath believed our report?" has they "OBEYED?". the same report the Lord Jesus gave, the same report the aposstles gave, the same report the disciples gave, the same report we give, FOR IT IS WRITTEN

PICJAG.

You cannot expect to understand these passages never having taken time to study the elementary doctrines of Christianity. You don't want to understand them because they will prove you've been wrong for your entire religious experience.

 

[101G]

You cannot expect to understand these passages never having taken time to study the elementary doctrines of Christianity. You don't want to understand them because they will prove you've been wrong for your entire religious experience.

U Said.....

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

U Said.....

PICJAG.

Again, ignorance of basic Christian doctrine is not bliss.

 

[101G]

Again, ignorance of basic Christian doctrine is not bliss.

U say,

 

[Dave L]

U say,

Like I said, Sunday School kids have no problem with scriptures others wrest to their destruction.