JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

[101G]

Isaiah does not even mention Jesus - and certainly does not state that he is equal with God
and John calling Jesus the emissary between man and God - does not mean that Jesus is equal with God - for the 5th time.

Then - after imparting your own meaning to scripture - you then deny the teachings of Jesus on this basis of your made up delusion.

First ERROR of the Day, Jesus is the CREEATOR and MAKER of "ALL THINGS", which both verses states,

now are you saying that Jesus is not the "LORD" in Isaiah... Yes or No? now think long before you answer that... ok. ... (smile).

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

well since you want to hold onto to that false belief, lets see if we can't open your eyes to the truth.


now, before you answer, we suggest you go back a few scriptures to verse 1 and get the context as to who is speaking in this verse coming up.
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

who is this "I" Speaking here in the O.T. who say he was pierced. was the "I" here the "LORD", all caps the almighty, or is this the "Lord" Speaking? Remember go back to verse 1 of this chapter and read up to this verse, and tell us who is this? the LORD, or the Lord speaking here... (smile).

and if not Jesus, then you have two LORDS".


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Heyzeus]

First ERROR of the Day, Jesus is the CREEATOR and MAKER of "ALL THINGS", which both verses states,

now are you saying that Jesus is not the "LORD" in Isaiah... Yes or No? now think long before you answer that... ok. ... (smile).

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Of course Jesus is not the Lord in Isaiah .. you have been corrected on this error numerous times. The actual text - does not use this term.. the text uses the name Yahweh .. which is rendered "The Lord" in the text.

The idea that Isaiah was meaning Jesus when he cites the name of Yahweh .. and all the other places in the OT where the name Yahweh is used - is preposterously false.

In Isaiah 44 however the name Yahweh is not used - and nor is the term "The Lord" When Isaiah is talking about the Creator .. maker of all things .. again the term "The Lord" is not used. The name of the God given is "El" - "The Most High" - God of Abraham.

If you had taken the time to read the Chapter .. you will find that Isaiah refers to not Jesus as "The Shepherd" - who will rebuild the Temple.

Isaiah is referring to Cyrus the Great as the savior - the one who will rebuild the Temple .. the one who is the Good Shepherd.

 

[101G]

Of course Jesus is not the Lord in Isaiah .. you have been corrected on this error numerous times. The actual text - does not use this term.. the text uses the name Yahweh .. which is rendered "The Lord" in the text.

The idea that Isaiah was meaning Jesus when he cites the name of Yahweh .. and all the other places in the OT where the name Yahweh is used - is preposterously false.

In Isaiah 44 however the name Yahweh is not used - and nor is the term "The Lord" When Isaiah is talking about the Creator .. maker of all things .. again the term "The Lord" is not used. The name of the God given is "El" - "The Most High" - God of Abraham.

If you had taken the time to read the Chapter .. you will find that Isaiah refers to not Jesus as "The Shepherd" - who will rebuild the Temple.

Isaiah is referring to Cyrus the Great as the savior - the one who will rebuild the Temple .. the one who is the Good Shepherd.

that was not the question I asked, is the person in Isaiah 44:24 the same person in Zechariah 12:10 yes or no?

answer the Question, and quit beating around the bush... LOL.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[sho]

There is no trinity in the bible.
There are only two possblities who the messiah can be:
1. The literally begotten son of God.
2. God himself.

God is only one person. God is only one God.

 

[101G]

There is no trinity in the bible.
There are only two possblities who the messiah can be:
1. The literally begotten son of God.
2. God himself.

God is only one person. God is only one God.

#2

God is never begotten, only his body that he came in was begotten, .... or as the scriptures states, prepared.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[sho]

#2

God is never begotten, only his body that he came in was begotten, .... or as the scriptures states, prepared.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus was begotten and he is called "Son of the living God".
I have a question to you, can God literally begets a son?

 

[Heyzeus]

well since you want to hold onto to that false belief, lets see if we can't open your eyes to the truth.


now, before you answer, we suggest you go back a few scriptures to verse 1 and get the context as to who is speaking in this verse coming up.
Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

who is this "I" Speaking here in the O.T. who say he was pierced. was the "I" here the "LORD", all caps the almighty, or is this the "Lord" Speaking? Remember go back to verse 1 of this chapter and read up to this verse, and tell us who is this? the LORD, or the Lord speaking here... (smile).

and if not Jesus, then you have two LORDS".


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Now what is this silliness .. trying to use the OT to justify that Jesus is equal to The Most High.

The passage you are referring to is talking about God will defend Jerusalem - and send his messengers to help defend Jerusalem (Cyrus - the anointed one - the Shepherd)

YHWH is speaking - that is the I - who is referred to. The term "The Lord" is never used .. There is no reference to Jesus - or anything that could be even related to Jesus in this passage.

You need to read whole chapters - or even whole books in the Bible once in awhile - instead of cherry picking out single passages - and taking them way out of context - imparting meaning that does not exist.

 

[101G]

@Heyzeus,

well the question is not hard to answer. for in Isaiah 44:24 it states the LORD, "stretcheth forth the heavens alone". and the person here in Zechariah 12:1 it's the same LORD, who, "stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth".

oh and Laid the foundation of the earth? now where have we heard that at before... oh here, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Hebrews 1:9 "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

Say what? the Son laid the foundation of the earth? ....... when? in the beginning. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Heyzeus]

that was not the question I asked, is the person in Isaiah 44:24 the same person in Zechariah 12:10 yes or no?

answer the Question, and quit beating around the bush... LOL.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

In Isaiah 44 .. the name "El" is used - "The Most High" - but as an epithet for YHWH. This makes perfect sense as El/YHWH were interchangeable .. one in the same during the time Isaiah 44 was written. YHWH had usurped the position of the most High.

In Zachariah ..YHWH is the speaking voice.

 

[sho]

Now what is this silliness .. trying to use the OT to justify that Jesus is equal to The Most High.

The passage you are referring to is talking about God will defend Jerusalem - and send his messengers to help defend Jerusalem (Cyrus - the anointed one - the Shepherd)

YHWH is speaking - that is the I - who is referred to. The term "The Lord" is never used .. There is no reference to Jesus - or anything that could be even related to Jesus in this passage.

You need to read whole chapters - or even whole books in the Bible once in awhile - instead of cherry picking out single passages - and taking them way out of context - imparting meaning that does not exist.

Answer the question, who came down from heaven?

 

[sho]

In Zachariah ..YHWH is the speaking voice.

So YHWH is the messiah, the one who was pierced on the cross?!

 

[101G]

Jesus was begotten and he is called "Son of the living God".
I have a question to you, can God literally begets a son?

ERROR, Jesus was never begotten, only his body was, but not the Spirit itself.

and to answer your question, he begets them all the time, through his Gospel, which is Spirit.

and as for biological son just look in the Mirrow.

see, Jesus don't have a natural blood and bone father or mother like you and I. he is before all things.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

So YHWH is the messiah, the one who was pierced on the cross?!

finally someone is telling the trith.

and another thing Heyzeus, Isaiah is speaking of Jesus throughout the book.... lol. man oh man.

just one good one...Isaiah 9:6.......


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[sho]

Man is appointed mortal sorrow, but the blessed God shall come
down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing rest.
Genesis 5:28-6:7

The pierced one is YHWH?!

 

[101G]

Man is appointed mortal sorrow, but the blessed God shall come
down teaching that his death shall bring the despairing rest.
Genesis 5:28-6:7

The pierced one is YHWH?!

true, man was made subject to vanity, scripture, Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,"Romans 8:21 "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."Romans 8:22 "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."Romans 8:23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

and yes it was YHWH, that was pierced, but I want to reveal something. God is a "diversity" of himself in flesh. so what was pierced, he himself that is the "EQUAL" share of himself in flesh. just as G243 allos states, a numerical difference,and the SAME "sort", meaning the SAME ONE PERSON.


Now let clear up another Matter.

#1. the Son of God is Flesh Bone and Blood while on Earth, (NOT IN A GLORIFIED STATE), and that flesh came by Mary, and NOT "FROM" Mary. she only birthed that flesh which make her a surrogate "birth" mother, and not his natural birth mother.

#2. Son of Man is spirit, and HE came from Heaven. AND NOT FROM OR BY MARY., but from heaven.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Heyzeus]

@Heyzeus,

well the question is not hard to answer. for in Isaiah 44:24 it states the LORD, "stretcheth forth the heavens alone". and the person here in Zechariah 12:1 it's the same LORD, who, "stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth".

oh and Laid the foundation of the earth? now where have we heard that at before... oh here, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Hebrews 1:9 "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"

Say what? the Son laid the foundation of the earth? ....... when? in the beginning. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

There is no "Bingo" as thus far you have not hit any numbers. Your attempt to show that Isaiah was referring to Jesus was a complete fail - as with Zechariah.

How you want to try to claim that NT writings in Hebrews have some relation to Zechariah/Isaiah which is also complete nonsense as the perspective is completely different ..

Regardless - if you would actually read the whole Chapter - rather than cherry picking out a sentence out of context - You would learn that Jesus is not "The Father" nor is equal to the Father.

Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.

What part of "He became much superior to the Angels" are you not understanding ? particularly the word "Became" - stating that he was not superior to angels in the path.

At some point .."Today" Jesus became the Son = it was not always that way.

Regardless of what Hebrews says (not written by Paul) in this passage - it bears no relation to anything stated by Isaiah or Zechariah ..

You are up a stream without a paddle on this one .. Just because some author seems to be claiming that Jesus was pre-existent - in 50-95AD
- has zero relation to what is stated in Isaiah/Zechariah.

But - what is clear from Hebrews - is that Jesus and "The Father" are two different things.. Jesus is put as subordinate to the Father - which is what the early Christians believed.

 

[Heyzeus]

So YHWH is the messiah, the one who was pierced on the cross?!

The passage does not say anything about a messiah being pierced on the Cross .. cite the passage you are referring to - and if we are talking about a "Messiah" in Isaiah .. it is Cyrus that is being referred to .. the "anointed one of God" "God's Shepherd"

 

[sho]

Yeshua = Joshua
Hanozri = from Nazareth
Wemelech = and King
Hajedhudim = of the Jews

YHWH is Yeshua?!

 

[Heyzeus]

Yeshua = Joshua
Hanozri = from Nazareth
Wemelech = and King
Hajedhudim = of the Jews

YHWH is Yeshua?!

ROFL - now this is grasping at straws that do not exist. Instead of made up nonsense .. why don't you go to the teachings of Jesus -where - in numerous places he states that he is not "The Father".