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if there is so much scripture, reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.
no vain babbling, just scripture to rebut what we said. .......
PICJAG.
You can reconcile it if you include all scripture that affects it. This you do not do.if there is so much scripture, reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.
no vain babbling, just scripture to rebut what we said. .......
PICJAG.
been doing it, as the Lord Jesus said, "have you not read, IT IS WRITTEN". have you not read?... :) just read our posts, all of them. now can you reconcicle John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, just ... READ what is written ... our POSTS. ... :cool: we already has reconciled them. but you can't
one thing I heard is true. "ignorance is the worst form of Bondgage".
PICJAG.
one thing I heard is true. "ignorance is the worst form of Bondgage".
PICJAG.
You are siding in with the Pharisees and rejecting the true Christ just as they did.
that's not reconciling John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, do better, your answer please.
PICJAG.
they did, but not you.
1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things”.
Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Now dave, if you cannot reconcile John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 then you’re still on milk ….
PICJAG
"The disciples Knew that Jesus was God, Diversified in flesh"
the REAL church father knew that Jesus was God in Flesh.
John told us clearly. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth".
bingo, God in flesh. the same one who "made all things", John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24, Jeremiah 10:12, and Nehemiah 9:6.
Stephen, and Ananias, of the book of Acts, they knew this.
the apostles declare the Lord Jesus as God almighty
knowing full well that there is only ONE Saviour. supportive scripture, Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour”. (THIS VERSE ELIMINATES ANY UNITARIAN CLAIM AS TO OUR LORD JESUS AS A DIVINE AGENT OR AS THE HEBREW SAY, "SHALIAH" SPEAKING AND ACTING IN GOD STEAD). note: human saviours cannot deliever anyone .... "spiritually", only from physical bondgage, and not spiritual bondgage. this is the great failing of the Unitarians
Peter: 2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”. THE RIGHEOUSNESS of God is Jesus the Christ.
Jude: Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen”. and Jesus the Christ is our Saviour. the only wise God.
Paul: Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things”.
now the apostle as Paul gives us the ONLY Saviour Personal Name. Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”.
John: Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done”. now John will tell us the Personal name of the Lord God of the holy prophets that sent his angel.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star”.
the early churh new because they was taught by the Holy Ghost through his chosen apostles, and disciples.
PICJAG.
the REAL church father knew that Jesus was God in Flesh.
John told us clearly. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth".
bingo, God in flesh. the same one who "made all things", John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24, Jeremiah 10:12, and Nehemiah 9:6.
Stephen, and Ananias, of the book of Acts, they knew this.
the apostles declare the Lord Jesus as God almighty
knowing full well that there is only ONE Saviour. supportive scripture, Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour”. (THIS VERSE ELIMINATES ANY UNITARIAN CLAIM AS TO OUR LORD JESUS AS A DIVINE AGENT OR AS THE HEBREW SAY, "SHALIAH" SPEAKING AND ACTING IN GOD STEAD). note: human saviours cannot deliever anyone .... "spiritually", only from physical bondgage, and not spiritual bondgage. this is the great failing of the Unitarians
Peter: 2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”. THE RIGHEOUSNESS of God is Jesus the Christ.
Jude: Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen”. and Jesus the Christ is our Saviour. the only wise God.
Paul: Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things”.
now the apostle as Paul gives us the ONLY Saviour Personal Name. Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”.
John: Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done”. now John will tell us the Personal name of the Lord God of the holy prophets that sent his angel.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star”.
the early churh new because they was taught by the Holy Ghost through his chosen apostles, and disciples.
PICJAG.
Once again let's see a disciple who knew what he believed. many today say they believe, but do they?
"The disciple Ananias"
who did he believe Jesus was?
Acts 9:10 "And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
Acts 9:11 "And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
Acts 9:12 "And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Acts 9:13 "Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Acts 9:14 "And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:16 "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
Acts 9:17 "And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
here, Ananias Identifies JESUS as Lord. and now the apostle Paul, then Saul recaps what Ananias did and "said". listen, Acts 22:12 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Acts 22:13 "Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth".
from reading this verse and and verse 15 of chapter 9 one may assume that it was the one whom many calls the "Father" chose saul for his son Jesus, right. just read the text. Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth".
here we have, A. the "God" of our fathers, the God of the OT has chosen Saul, right. B. "see that Just One", and C. "hear his voice". B and C seems to be a diffrent "PERSON" from A, would you agree? well let's see. remember A, the God of our father choose Saul right. ok let's see who chose Saul.
there is a third account of this same event found in Acts chapter 26 by now Paul, an apostle, before king Agrippa. let's see who Paul say chose him.
Acts 26:12 "Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
Acts 26:13 "At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:15 "And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Acts 26:16 "But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee".
here is the revelation. the keyword here is "MAKE", in verse 16 it's the Greek word,
G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai (pro-chei-riy'-zo-mai) v.
1. to handle for oneself in advance.
2. (figuratively) to purpose.
[middle voice from G4253 and a derivative of G5495]
KJV: choose, make
and this word is only found in one other place, yes, you guessed it, Acts 22:14 "And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth".
now the ending of the revelation. the God of our fathers is the Just one in the same verse. the God of our fathers is the just one Jesus the Christ who chose Salu, now Paul. it's the SAME ONE PERSON. but reading the verses before without this revelation, one would ASSUME it wwas two separate persons. but no it the same one person.
for the apostle said in Acts 26:15, and 16 that it was "JESUS" the God of our father who chose him, meaning the God of the OT..
but wait, is not the God of the OT Spirit, without a body. yes, it was his coming in flesh that he is now made know, or manifested as the Son unto men. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14b "who is the figure of him that was to come". John 1:14 the Word made flesh, how plain can it get?
JESUS is the Spirit, the Spirit that is Holy in the OT, the Holy Spirit without flesh, without bone, and without blood. and he came to save us, by coming in a body of Flesh and bone with blood. he did this by "diversifying" himself in that flesh body, better know as "differentiation" of Spirit, "SHARED" in that body of flesh. this "sharing" of oneself or being an offspring in flesh is know as "ANOTHER" of oneself in a diffrent "form"... per Phil 2:6-8.
so the disciples knew, the apostles knew, and the true church fathers knew. why not us? because we have been decieved.
PICJAG.
You are using the outdated Pharisaic understanding of God being one person and failing to understand the full revelation of God in the New Covenant.
The full revelation of God is Jesus Christ, scripture, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".
The Revelation of WHO? .... Jesus the Christ ....... AS GOD ALMIGHTY, who is the Spirit in flesh.
PICJAG.
and? like if we all didn't know that... lol.
but did you know that Jesus is the ALMIGHTY GOD of the OT as well as the NT?
question dave, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John"
who sent "HIS" angel to John, read Rev 22:6 first........ :)
PICJAG.
We both say Jesus Christ is OT Yahweh. But you have the pharisaic understanding and I have the New Covenant understanding.
“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)No we don't, christ haven't came yet.......
PICJAG.
“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)
LOL, Jesus was in the OT, but NOT "Christ". lol, lol, lol, lol
supportive scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law".
Jesus was before his flesh.
PICJAG.
Did you understand what we said, well if not let's use your own scripture,
1 Corinthians 10:1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 "And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
dave, dave as the apostle said, we don’t want you to be “IGNORANT”.
Spiritual, Spiritual, Spiritual, Spiritual, ROCK. What kind of Rock? …. spiritual Rock.
My, my, my, ever learning.
PICJAG.
1 Corinthians 10:1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 "And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
dave, dave as the apostle said, we don’t want you to be “IGNORANT”.
Spiritual, Spiritual, Spiritual, Spiritual, ROCK. What kind of Rock? …. spiritual Rock.
My, my, my, ever learning.
PICJAG.
Jesus is the eternal Son in the triune Godhead. The trinity dwelt in the man Jesus Christ who spoke in the second person of the trinity as the eternal Son.
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