John 6 and the bread from heaven

[Eternally Grateful]

Don’t sweat it, you have given along of great info and stuff to think on

 

[Ziggy]

I believe your question originally was,
are we able to interpret the bible ourselves or do we need a teacher?

The answer and my opinion is this.
No man is able to interpret the scriptures themselves unless the Holy Spirit is leading them.

1Co 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

And the other is this: no two ears hear alike.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

 

[Ziggy]

How many times did they come to Jesus and say give us bread?
Jhn 6:26
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

Jhn 6:34
Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Jhn 6:41
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Jhn 6:52
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Jhn 6:61
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Question...
Do you believe that Jesus might have been offended?

taking a trip to the past....

Exo 16:15
And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

Exo 16:31
And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Num 11:1
And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
Num 11:2
And the people cried unto Moses; and when Moses prayed unto the LORD, the fire was quenched.
Num 11:3
And he called the name of the place Taberah: because the fire of the LORD burnt among them.
Num 11:4
And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
Num 11:5
We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:
Num 11:6
But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

Jhn 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Jhn 6:52
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Jhn 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Jhn 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

God is not restricted to time barriers. He is ever in the past and the present and the future.

When the children of Israel went a lusting for flesh:
Num 11:4
And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
Jesus simply answered:
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Jhn 6:60
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Jhn 6:61
When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Jhn 6:64
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jhn 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Who could not come to Jesus?
Those that were lusting for flesh.

That's how I hear it.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing...

Num 11:6
But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

They didn't believe him. So he gave them what they wanted.

Num 11:18
And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
Num 11:19
Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
Num 11:20
But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?

Num 11:33
And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.
Num 11:34
And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.

1Co 11:27
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Kibroth-hattaavah = "graves of lust"

Jer 8:1
At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:
Jer 8:2
And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
Jer 8:3
And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family, which remain in all the places whither I have driven them, saith the LORD of hosts.



hmmm

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[Illuminator]

I'm listening
ok so this is where my beliefs are different from the Catholic church.
The OT is the physical archtype of the NT spiritual truth.
Even though they both walk hand in hand, in ALL points,
The difference being, is one is from below, earthy, and the other is from above, heavenly.
One is carnal and the other spiritual.

The Jewish roots of the Eucharist are not carnal. The Bread of the Presence in the OT foreshadows the Eucharist,

Jesus is the physical flesh body or the temple God used to place his spirit in.
And God himself walked among men, just as he did in the garden of Eden.

In this body we call man, there are 2 entities. There is man's spirit and God's spirit.
1Co 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now here is where I have a problem
The Catholic religion believes that the Spirit of God places himself (not in man) but in a wafer of bread.

Then there is no transformation of the essence, if that's the case.

And we are to eat this earthy bread and experience a spiritual realization of literally eating God.

I can't do it.
It's not for me.

You're not ready. You can't realize Transubstantiation without supernatural faith.

I appreciate the time you took to find the video.
I truly do know the OT as I was very much a believer in keeping the Sabbath and studied that profusely before I came to the understand that Jesus IS our Sabbath, and that it is not one day, or any particular day of the earthly week we reside in.
But that the Sabbath was given to Israel as a physical remembrance until the true Spiritual Sabbath which is Christ himself would be known.

There is a division between the Old and the New. And everything in the New is on higher ground.
To bring Christ back into a physical manifestation of a wafer of bread, just don't measure up to what God's spirit says to me.
Now , maybe God speaks to other people and tells them they need to do it different, I don't know. I don't think so. I honestly don't believe so.
I do believe somewhere along the line, things got blurry and the message got crossed. To bring Jesus back down into something that is of the earth, ground up into meal, baked in an oven, and then eaten, digested,....

"Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, 'Take, eat; this is my body.' And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, 'Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'" (Matthew 26:26-28)

And I honestly don't mean to sound disrespectful or crude...
I believe there is something much more going on in that cup then what meets the eye.
I believe I posted above regarding the Prophet Ezekiel. And what was in this cup was the wrath of God.
In this cup is the very passover which killed the firstborn in Egypt.
In this cup was death.
And if you drank blood in the OT it was deadly. It was a sin.

We don't drink the blood of an animal. We do what Jesus told us to do.

I am looking for the fruit of the vine, which Jesus commented before handing the cup to the Apostles.
And what cup was it that Jesus wanted the Father to have removed from him?

Why did Jesus omit the Fourth Cup in the Upper Room?

Luk 22:20
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

In order for there to be a new testament, the old testament must be abolished.

Nonsense. Fulfillment does not mean abolish.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Read full chapter
Matthew 5:17 in all English translations

And I posted this as well in Isaiah chapter 28 concerning the agreement Israel had made with death and hell.

This cup contained the fruit of the vine. But what vine? what fruit?

I post what I'm led to see and hear:

Deu 32:32
For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

Psa 80:8
Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.
Psa 80:9
Thou preparedst room before it, and didst cause it to take deep root, and it filled the land.
Psa 80:10
The hills were covered with the shadow of it, and the boughs thereof were like the goodly cedars.
Psa 80:11
She sent out her boughs unto the sea, and her branches unto the river.
Psa 80:12
Why hast thou then broken down her hedges, so that all they which pass by the way do pluck her?
Psa 80:13
The boar out of the wood doth waste it, and the wild beast of the field doth devour it.
Psa 80:14
Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine;
Psa 80:15
And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou madest strong for thyself.
Psa 80:16
It is burned with fire, it is cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance.
Psa 80:17
Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Psa 80:18
So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.
Psa 80:19
Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.

I'm just sayin.. there's a lot more in that cup than just wine.
I'm still diggin.

Do you honestly think Jesus used fruit of the vine of Sodom at the Seder Meal??

Ezek. 2:8-10; 3:1-3 – God orders Ezekiel to open his mouth and eat the scroll which is the Word of God. This foreshadows the true Word of God, Jesus Christ, who must be consumed.

Gen. 14:18 – this is the first time that the word “priest” is used in Old Testament. Melchizedek is both a priest and a king and he offers a bread and wine sacrifice to God.

Psalm 76:2 – Melchizedek is the king of Salem. Salem is the future Jeru-salem where Jesus, the eternal priest and king, established his new Kingdom and the Eucharistic sacrifice which He offered under the appearance of bread and wine.

The Eucharistic Sacrifice at the Upper Room is one and the same sacrifice as the Crucifixion. Once you get that, things will start falling into place.

 

[Ziggy]

You're not ready. You can't realize Transubstantiation without supernatural faith.

I'll accept that.

In the Ark was the Law, the ten commandments written in stone, the budded staff of Aaron, and a bowl of manna.
And the only one allowed to go into the second veil where the ark was, was the High Priest alone.

The shewbread of the presence and the manna are not the same.

1Sa 21:1
Then came David to Nob to Ahimelech the priest: and Ahimelech was afraid at the meeting of David, and said unto him, Why art thou alone, and no man with thee?
1Sa 21:2
And David said unto Ahimelech the priest, The king hath commanded me a business, and hath said unto me, Let no man know any thing of the business whereabout I send thee, and what I have commanded thee: and I have appointed my servants to such and such a place.
1Sa 21:3
Now therefore what is under thine hand? give me five loaves of bread in mine hand, or what there is present.
1Sa 21:4
And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women.
1Sa 21:5
And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.
1Sa 21:6
So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.

This actually typifies the breaking of the bread and giving it to the young men that were cleansed which Jesus had broken and sanctified that day. The passover supper and the washing of the feet,the sending his servants on a mission (like Judas) ... I think there was many things being fulfilled that night,
There are many things Jesus was to fulfill according to the law and the prophets. And some of them overlap and some of them are combined.
But the shewbread which was set on the table otherwise known as the bread of presence, isn't the same as the manna in the pot.
The manna in the pot was two-fold.
One which represented God sustaining them for 40 years through the wilderness. And the other of their stubborness to listen to his commandment concerning not looking for it on the sabbath day. But they did and found nothing.

The bread which is the word of the Lord and his holy spirit is what sustains us for eternity. This is the manna sent down from heaven.
They were to keep it in a pot to remember by, they didn't eat what was in the pot.

The blood which was used in the OT was sprinkled on the tabernacle to consecrate it. Jesus' own blood was poured out when the soldier stabbed him in his side.
We should eat that bread and drink that cup to remember.... remember what he did for us.
I don't see any "supernatural faith" required to remember what he did.

I believe a lot of things got squished together and the Jews began to forget their history and the Gentiles were creating a new history, and they got smashed together and came out all mixed up.
And a lot of ideas came into the church from a lot of different places. Turning somethings into nothings, and nothings into somethings more than was originally meant.


I watched your videos.
Here is mine:

I'm having trouble fitting the church's interpretation into this chapter. A lot of churches for that matter.
It's not exclusively one denomination or another.
A lot of churches carry the same traditions as others.
I just don't see the connection.

Thank you for sharing.
Hugs

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'll accept that.

In the Ark was the Law, the ten commandments written in stone, the budded staff of Aaron, and a bowl of manna.
And the only one allowed to go into the second veil where the ark was, was the High Priest alone.

The shewbread of the presence and the manna are not the same.

1Sa 21:1
Then came David to Nob to Ahimelech the priest: and Ahimelech was afraid at the meeting of David, and said unto him, Why art thou alone, and no man with thee?
1Sa 21:2
And David said unto Ahimelech the priest, The king hath commanded me a business, and hath said unto me, Let no man know any thing of the business whereabout I send thee, and what I have commanded thee: and I have appointed my servants to such and such a place.
1Sa 21:3
Now therefore what is under thine hand? give me five loaves of bread in mine hand, or what there is present.
1Sa 21:4
And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women.
1Sa 21:5
And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.
1Sa 21:6
So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.

This actually typifies the breaking of the bread and giving it to the young men that were cleansed which Jesus had broken and sanctified that day. The passover supper and the washing of the feet,the sending his servants on a mission (like Judas) ... I think there was many things being fulfilled that night,
There are many things Jesus was to fulfill according to the law and the prophets. And some of them overlap and some of them are combined.
But the shewbread which was set on the table otherwise known as the bread of presence, isn't the same as the manna in the pot.
The manna in the pot was two-fold.
One which represented God sustaining them for 40 years through the wilderness. And the other of their stubborness to listen to his commandment concerning not looking for it on the sabbath day. But they did and found nothing.

The bread which is the word of the Lord and his holy spirit is what sustains us for eternity. This is the manna sent down from heaven.
They were to keep it in a pot to remember by, they didn't eat what was in the pot.

The blood which was used in the OT was sprinkled on the tabernacle to consecrate it. Jesus' own blood was poured out when the soldier stabbed him in his side.
We should eat that bread and drink that cup to remember.... remember what he did for us.
I don't see any "supernatural faith" required to remember what he did.

I believe a lot of things got squished together and the Jews began to forget their history and the Gentiles were creating a new history, and they got smashed together and came out all mixed up.
And a lot of ideas came into the church from a lot of different places. Turning somethings into nothings, and nothings into somethings more than was originally meant.


I watched your videos.
Here is mine:

I'm having trouble fitting the church's interpretation into this chapter. A lot of churches for that matter.
It's not exclusively one denomination or another.
A lot of churches carry the same traditions as others.
I just don't see the connection.

Thank you for sharing.
Hugs

Its interesting if we look at the story

1. It was the Passover meal, or the feast of unleavened bread. Which was a command from God according to the law. done on Passover night. In remembrance of when God freed then from egypt and set them apart as a nation

2. The first thing he does (john 13) is wash their feet. Of course old Peter being Peter said not mine. What was Jesus response.

John 13: 10 Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”

If we notice, he makes the proclamation that they are already clean, (all but one) by the WORD I have spoken.

It reminds me of Pauls words in Eph

Eph 5: 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

the point being they were already clean before the cross. and before they took the Passover meal.

Next thing we see is that as they are eating the Passover meal, He takes the cup and the bread (unleavened) which he breaks. and gives to them, and they did eat and drink, And he said do this often in remembrance of me.

I am going to be honest. I do not know of any church that does it this way. Remember, even in the NT, Paul had to chasten the church because people of wealth were getting there and eating all the food. and drinking the wine and getting drunk. and when the people of needs came. there was nothing left. So I would say it is not just one church that got it wrong. But most all churches, even to this day that do not do it the way Christ did it.

The point is, We do not do it to be cleansed and receive eternal life. As Jesus said, they already had that. We do not do it to rewash ourselves and make ourselves clean by the blood, we who are clean do not need to bath, but we need to wash each others feet from time to time. (there is one for you)

and finally, We do it to remember something that happened in the past. Its very important. Israel only had to do it on passover. Yet they were seperated in their own country and were supposed to have the blessing of God as one nations. We are still in the world. and must enter the gates of hell continuously to help free other prisoners. So we need reminded more often. which is why he said, do often in remembrance of me (not just on passover)

 

[Marymog]

So please. Once again, Do not say I did not say we could not go to other parts of scripture

QUOTES (plural) FROM YOU: Again, we are discussing John 6.

But I am focusing on John 6 here.. can you do this.

Can we please stick to what jesus said in John 6.

Again, Do not go to another passage to explain this..

But lets first discuss John 6

CC: @Nancy

 

[Marymog]

So the Bible was not written for us In the 21st century?

Is this what your saying?

Nope EG, I believe I made it very clear what I was saying. I NEVER said the bible was not written for us in the 21st century. YOU added that to what I said.

FACT: 1 John is a letter to the Churches in the time he wrote them.

So YOU, in 1 John, are the Churches in the 1st century. They were having a problem with heretical teachings.

That IS when the letter was written. That is WHY the letter was written. That is to WHOM the letter was written.

It has NOTHING to do with men TODAY, 2,000 years later, being able to interpret Scripture on their own if they.... according to your theory.... "just listen". NOTHING. ZILCH. NADA.

 

[Marymog]

But as you even said yourself

This thread is about being able to interpret John 6 without any teachers. Which means we depend on the HS to teach us.

Nope EG, I never said that. Here is what YOU said:

POST #238: I opened this thread to show that John 6 is not so hard to understand that we do not need to have teachers explain it to us. That we can understand ourselves. If we just listen.

 

[Marymog]

Once again

Please post the evidence.

You have no accused me multiple times, and I have asked for evidence.

It is time to show the evidence. Or stop the continued accusations.. If you keep it up. I will report you (even though we have a mod here.. She has warned you numerous times also. And in this post. You refused to repent..

QUOTES (plural) FROM YOU: Again, we are discussing John 6.

But I am focusing on John 6 here.. can you do this.

Can we please stick to what jesus said in John 6.

Again, Do not go to another passage to explain this..

But lets first discuss John 6

 

[Marymog]

It is about what the word of God says.

According to YOUR interpretation..........

 

[Marymog]

1 John 3. Speaking to Little children (vs 18)

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

The words given By God are written to keep us from those who try to decieve us..

I already debunked this..........

 

[Marymog]

time to bake bread.

Fun Christmas prank. Put some cans of juice under the sink. Open one can to see if it became wine. At dinner, ask G_d to change the juice into wine and serve it.

Huh? Learner, I'm a little slow sometimes. What are you saying here?

I'm not sure if I should laugh or quote Scripture.....

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Seems Ziggy said the exact same thing you said..

Why would you call her twisting when she said the same thing,

jesus taught the apostles the truth.. It is all about him

The apostles taught others what he taught them

Keeping it real??????

You are a fascinating person EG. You allege that Ziggy said the exact same thing I said. You then post your "evidence" which shows that once again....well, I can't call you a liar.....It shows once again that you are not an honest person.

Here is what Marymog said: Jesus was a teacher of the Truth. He then taught the Apostles the Truth. They then taught other men the Truth. Those men then taught other men the Truth etc etc etc.

Here is what Ziggy said: Jesus IS Truth. Jesus taught the Apostles that He IS the Truth, the Apostle taught other men that Jesus IS the Truth.

Those are NOT 'the exact same thing'. I said Jesus taught the Truth!! Ziggy said that Jesus taught the Apostles that HE is the Truth. Not the same. Not even close. I am speaking about ALL the Truth spoken of in Scripture. Ziggy is speaking of Jesus BEING the Truth....whatever that means.

Please leave me alone until you are willing to have an honest conversation.......

 

[Illuminator]

There are other hungers- for love, for immortality for life, for affection, for being cared, for forgiveness, for mercy. This hunger can be satiated only by the bread that comes from above. Jesus himself is the living bread that gives life to the world (cf. Jn 6:51). His body offered for our sake on the cross, his blood shed for the pardon of the sins of humanity is made available to us in the bread and wine to the Eucharist transformed in the consecration.

But the Eucharist does not end with the partaking of the bread and blood of the Lord. It leads us to solidarity with others. The communion with the Lord is necessarily a communion with our fellow brothers and sisters. And therefore the one who is fed and nourished by the very body and blood of Christ cannot remain unaffected when he sees his brothers suffering want and hunger. (Homily for the Feast of Corpus Christi, 5-30-13)

Therefore the Eucharistic Celebration is much more than simple banquet: it is exactly the memorial of Jesus’ Paschal Sacrifice, the mystery at the centre of salvation. “Memorial” does not simply mean a remembrance, a mere memory; it means that every time we celebrate this Sacrament we participate in the mystery of the passion, death and resurrection of Christ. The Eucharist is the summit of God’s saving action: the Lord Jesus, by becoming bread broken for us, pours upon us all of his mercy and his love, so as to renew our hearts, our lives and our way of relating with him and with the brethren. . . . the bread that is the Body of Jesus Christ who saves us, forgives us, unites us to the Father. (General Audience, 2-5-14)

Jesus underlines that he has not come into this world to give something, but to give himself, his life, as nourishment for those who have faith in Him. . . . Every time that we participate in Holy Mass and we are nourished by the Body of Christ, the presence of Jesus and of the Holy Spirit acts in us, shaping our hearts, communicating an interior disposition to us that translates into conduct according to the Gospel. (Angelus for the Feast of Corpus Christi, 6-22-14)

In the Eucharist Jesus does not give just any bread, but the bread of eternal life, he gives Himself, offering Himself to the Father out of love for us. (Angelus, 8-13-14)

The Eucharist is Jesus who gives himself entirely to us. To nourish ourselves with him and abide in him through Holy Communion, if we do it with faith, transforms our life into a gift to God and to our brothers… eating him, we become like him. . . . [the Eucharist] is not a private prayer or a beautiful spiritual experience . . . it is a memorial, namely, a gesture that actualizes and makes present the event of the death and resurrection of Jesus: the bread is truly his Body given, the wine is truly is Blood poured out. (Angelus, 8-16-15; Catholic News Agency)

It’s not just a memory, no, it’s more: It’s making present what happened twenty centuries ago. . . . This is Mass: entering in this Passion, Death, Resurrection, and Ascension of Jesus, and when we go to Mass, it is as if we go to Calvary. Now imagine if we went to Calvary—using our imagination—in that moment, knowing that that man there is Jesus. Would we dare to chit-chat, take pictures, make a little scene? No! Because it’s Jesus! We would surely be in silence, in tears, and in the joy of being saved… Mass is experiencing Calvary, it’s not a show. (General Audience, Crux, 11-22-17)

No, Pope Francis Did Not Deny Transubstantiation

The pope uses phenomenological language about the Eucharist, without in the least denying transubstantiation. So did Jesus, Paul, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. No biggie . . .

www.patheos.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

QUOTES (plural) FROM YOU: Again, we are discussing John 6.

But I am focusing on John 6 here.. can you do this.

Can we please stick to what jesus said in John 6.

Again, Do not go to another passage to explain this..

But lets first discuss John 6

CC: @Nancy

So I kept to my op. And did not want to go outside until later? Did you even read my op. Do you remember what it was about?

Also did I not say we would go to other passages later. Long before you started to complain>

When I take John 6 in context. Every time Jesus spoke of this bread, or this flesh and blood. Or the thing we need to eat and drink, It related to BELIEVING IN HIM.

So yes. I can assume, we all can, because in context. It fits.

When I compair other passages of scripture it is the same.. it all related to believing in him

We will go to those other passages later if you desire. But I am focusing on John 6 here.. can you do this.

I am not that sick, i actually feel much better today, This is the 4th day on strong meds, and they are working..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope EG, I never said that. Here is what YOU said:

POST #238: I opened this thread to show that John 6 is not so hard to understand that we do not need to have teachers explain it to us. That we can understand ourselves. If we just listen.

You just tried to prove me wrong, by proving me right.

smh

 

[Eternally Grateful]

According to YOUR interpretation..........

No one has proven me wrong

I take jesus literally..

It’s not my interpretation. Its what God said

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I already debunked this..........

lol. Whatever

So we have to listen to your church, except when ity fits you, and then we can listen to you?