John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Thank you for your post. I would agree with you. I saw you asked someone why your questions had not been answered. Mine has not been answered either.

I have many posts on here, all that are on the Holy Trinity, which those who deny this Essential Bible Doctrine, have never been able to refute. If you don't have the time to find them, you could read them on my personal website, STUDIES ON THE HOLY TRINITY

 

[Daydreamer]

There is only one true God and it is not Jesus.

1. The personal name of the one true God is YHWH. Ex 3:15.
2. This is the name Jesus says is the hallowed name. Matthew 6:9
3. Scripture is explicit, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6.
4. Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the Son of God. Mark 1:1. This proves he cannot be God.
5. Jesus says he has a God - who we relate to as Father. John 20:17.
6. Jesus also says his God (our Father) is the only true God. John 17:3.

Hope this helps.

I would believe the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. Or, the Spirit of God fully resides in Christ. Just as, the people would I imagine who disagree with you on this website. So, they and I would agree as to the essence of Christ. The difference then is simply concerning the title of Christ. Unfortunately, many of them, in their ‘’head theology’’ (for it can be nothing else) will tell you unless you term Christ the one true God you cannot be saved/inherit eternal life. Which is as good as saying ‘’If you stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth you are condemned to hell’’ John10:29, John14:28, John17:3. It’s ludicrous of course. Thank goodness I have never come across this kind of thing in any church I have ever been to. It shows the danger, or absurdity of making a god out of head theology.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

There is not one verse where Jesus is called YHWH. So, why make the claim?

see the FALSE statements that are made by those who reject the Biblical TRUTH on Jersus Christ. In #243 I have given a few very clear passages from the Bible, where Jesus Christ is YHWH. And yet these deniers of Bible TRUTH, will continue to push their LIES!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I would believe the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. Or, the Spirit of God fully resides in Christ. Just as, the people would I imagine who disagree with you on this website. So, they and I would agree as to the essence of Christ. The difference then is simply concerning the title of Christ. Unfortunately, many of them, in their ‘’head theology’’ (for it can be nothing else) will tell you unless you term Christ the one true God you cannot be saved/inherit eternal life. Which is as good as saying ‘’If you stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth you are condemned to hell’’ John10:29, John14:28, John17:3. It’s ludicrous of course. Thank goodness I have never come across this kind of thing in any church I have ever been to. It shows the danger, or absurdity of making a god out of head theology.

John 1:1, and 18 in the Original text, proves your theology, with the likes of @Wrangler, to be UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Look at the bold, "form of God" this is what Christ was before the the world was created, He was in the form of God

The "form of God", is the same as "the very nature of God". You are wrong to say that "this is what Christ was before the the world was created", as it is essentially what Jesus Christ is, from all eternity, and continued to be, while on earth.

 

[Daydreamer]

John 1:1, and 18 in the Original text, proves your theology, with the likes of @Wrangler, to be UNBIBLICAL NONSENSE!

I will tell you what is nonsense. People believing you can be condemned to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. It would not matter how much studying such people then do, it would all be in vain

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Since "Jesus is God" is not in Scripture

another FALSE statement!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I will tell you what is nonsense. People believing you can be condemned to hell for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. It would not matter howe much studying such people then do, it would all be in vain

My OP here is very clear, that if anyone denies that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, they will NEVER be in heaven. Period! These words are from Jesus Christ Himself, about Himself, and neither, you, or any other, who shares your UNBIBLICAL nonsense, has been able to refute!

 

[Daydreamer]

My OP here is very clear, that if anyone denies that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, they will NEVER be in heaven. Period! These words are from Jesus Christ Himself, about Himself, and neither, you, or any other, who shares your UNBIBLICAL nonsense, has been able to refute!

I couldn't care a less what your op states. You obviously believe a person can be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. The Holy Spirit would never lead anyone to believe that.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I couldn't care a less what your op states. You obviously believe a person can be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. The Holy Spirit would never lead anyone to believe that.

Just the ONE verse in John 5:23, shows your theology is WRONG!

that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him

Jesus is clear, those who do not HONOR Him IN THE SAME WAY (so the Greek, καθὼς), as they do the Father, do not HONOR the Father.

Now tell me HOW can someone who is not Almighty God, and EQUAL with the Father, say this?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

I couldn't care a less what your op states. You obviously believe a person can be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. The Holy Spirit would never lead anyone to believe that.

Read also Revelation 5:13-14

"And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be ALL the blessing, and ALL the honour, and ALL the glory, and ALL the might, for ever and ever. And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and worshipped." (so emphasized in the Greek)

Note the words, “τω καθημενω επι του θρονου και τω αρνιω”, “to Him Who sits on the throne AND to the Lamb”, where the Greek conjunction, “και”, is used for “sameness”, with absolute equality. Thus, we read in chapter 22, verse 1: “And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb”. The Greek here is very important, “του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου”, where “του θρονου” (the throne), is in the singular number. God and the Lamb, as “distinct” Persons, are united in Their Rule. This absolute unity, can also be seen in chapter 11:15, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall Reign for ever and ever”. Note the end, “He shall Reign”, which in the Greek is, “βασιλευσει”, which is in the singular number. It can refer to “His Christ”, or, to “our Lord and of His Christ”, the latter no doubt being the correct meaning, as seen from the main passage from chapter 5, and 22. Let no one suppose that there is some “subordination” with Jesus Christ to the Father, post-Incarnation, as this is proven as completely wrong from these passages in Revelation.

ALL Might, is the same as ALMIGHTY GOD

 

[Daydreamer]

Just the ONE verse in John 5:23, shows your theology is WRONG!

that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him

Jesus is clear, those who do not HONOR Him IN THE SAME WAY (so the Greek, καθὼς), as they do the Father, do not HONOR the Father.

Now tell me HOW can someone who is not Almighty God, and EQUAL with the Father, say this?

Lets stick with the plain words of Christ:
The father is greater than all John10:29
The Father is greater than I John14:28
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life) that they may know you(the father) the only TRUE God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent John17:3
According to you, I am condemned if I stand on the above. Im afraid, with such an absurd belief, you will understand little of anything meaningful in the christian faith

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Lets stick with the plain words of Christ:
The father is greater than all John10:29
The Father is greater than I John14:28
Now this is eternal life(note what constitutes eternal life) that they may know you(the father) the only TRUE God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent John17:3
According to you, I am condemned if I stand on the above. Im afraid, with such an absurd belief, you will understand little of anything meaningful in the christian faith

answered

The Father is Greater than I

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God

 

[Daydreamer]

answered

The Father is Greater than I

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God

You are so lost, you really are.

 

[Daydreamer]

answered

The Father is Greater than I

Jesus Christ The Only Wise God

So who gave you the authority to override the requirement for a person to inherit eternal life according to Christ himself?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You are so lost, you really are.

prove what I have written to be wrong, IF you can!

No point in silly one liners, deal with ALL the facts

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

So who gave you the authority to override the requirement for a person to inherit eternal life according to Christ himself?

The OP is Jesus' own words, it is His Authority as YHWH.

Whether you agree with what Jesus says, matter not, the facts still remain

 

[Daydreamer]

prove what I have written to be wrong, IF you can!

No point in silly one liners, deal with ALL the facts

Oh I've given you the facts. You believe a person will be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Oh I've given you the facts. You believe a person will be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth.

A repeat what God Incarnate, Jesus Christ clearly says to ALL, as in the OP. Those who reject the TRUTH that He is Almighty God, and 100% COEQUAL with the Father as God, will not be able to enter heaven. This is a FACT

 

[Daydreamer]

A repeat what God Incarnate, Jesus Christ clearly says to ALL, as in the OP. Those who reject the TRUTH that He is Almighty God, and 100% COEQUAL with the Father as God, will not be able to enter heaven. This is a FACT

You see, you have to ignore the truth of what I have repeatedly stated. Just as, you claimed not to understand the question I asked when you first responded to me. You just robotically carry on. You don't understand scripture my friend. If you did, you would not be so eager to condemn people for standing on the plain words of Christ. You have made a god out of head theology sadly