"Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Faith" - Has 500 Years Taught Us Nothing?

[CoreIssue]

Ahhhh, yes – another ignorant anti-Catholic taking quotes OUT of context.
When will you guys EVER learn to do your homework??

The alleged “quote” actually appeared in the Protestant magazine Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895. It also appeared in another Protestant magazine, “Church Review,” in England, October 3, 1895. The article in the magazine charges Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having stated those words in Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903.

But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, he produced the manuscript of his discourse. What the Pope actually said is:

“The Pope REPRESENTS Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on earth and in heaven.”

This is simply an affirmation of the Pope being the ‘representative’, or ‘Vicar’ of Christ and NOTHING else.

The Church has been dealing with lies and twisting if her truth for 2000 years because ignorant people like YOU simply swallow this garbage instead of doing your homework.

Your LIES are pathetic because, like EVERY other lie you utter about Christ’s Church – you must take things completely OUT of context in a vain attempt to make your impotent points . . .

In the holy roman empire the pope was emperor. No king could rule without his blessing.

The Pope does not represent Christ. He's actually an anti Christ.

 

[BreadOfLife]

In the holy roman empire the pope was emperor. No king could rule without his blessing.
The Pope does not represent Christ. He's actually an anti Christ.

Why do you bother with this manure when it is completely fabricated??
The Pope was NEVER the "Emperor".

Please produce the historical documents showing the ANY Pope was "Emperor" of the Roman Empire.
Otherwise - just admit that you made it up . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

Why do you bother with this manure when it is completely fabricated??
The Pope was NEVER the "Emperor".

Please produce the historical documents showing the ANY Pope was "Emperor" of the Roman Empire.
Otherwise - just admit that you made it up . . .

The emperor of the emperor. No one rose to power except by the pope.

HISTORY OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

What a time the chaos. At one point there were seven popes at the same time.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The emperor of the emperor. No one rose to power except by the pope.

HISTORY OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE

What a time the chaos. At one point there were seven popes at the same time.

Can you read??
Your OWN link doesn't make the asinine claim YOU made about the Pope being an "Emperor".

 

[CoreIssue]

Can you read??
Your OWN link doesn't make the asinine claim YOU made about the Pope being an "Emperor".

You aren't famalier with the reality of the power behind the throne?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You aren't famalier with the reality of the power behind the throne?

YOU said that the Pope was the "Emperor".
NOW, you're back-pedaling . . .

You ignorant anti-Catholic never seem to be able to get your story straight . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

Then, since YOU made the accusations and presented the alleged "quotes" - why don't YOU Google them and show us the authenticity, hmmmm?
You won't because you CAN'T because you know they're phony . . .

No, Dead Bread, the only thing phony is the ridiculous claims of the papal Antichrist in Rome. Say what you want, but you're not fooling anyone - if anyone wants to read about these and other supersonically redonkulous claims that the Whore of Babylon makes about the pope and priests, all they need to do is google them to see the papacy has authored them and YOU deny them...a testament to your colossal ignorance.

 

[Phoneman777]

YOU said that the Pope was the "Emperor".
NOW, you're back-pedaling . . .

You ignorant anti-Catholic never seem to be able to get your story straight . . .

Yes, the papacy is the benchmark for telling the truth, right?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, the papacy is the benchmark for telling the truth, right?

Just exposing more FALSE accusations is all . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, Dead Bread, the only thing phony is the ridiculous claims of the papal Antichrist in Rome. Say what you want, but you're not fooling anyone - if anyone wants to read about these and other supersonically redonkulous claims that the Whore of Babylon makes about the pope and priests, all they need to do is google them to see the papacy has authored them and YOU deny them...a testament to your colossal ignorance.

Yes, yes, "whore of Babylon" and all that rubbish - but in the end - YOU can't seem to substantiate ONE SINGLE one of the "quotes" you posted - CAN you??

Thanks for proving me right once again, my dishonest friend . . .

 

[brakelite]

Ahhhh, yes – another ignorant anti-Catholic taking quotes OUT of context.
When will you guys EVER learn to do your homework??

The alleged “quote” actually appeared in the Protestant magazine Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895. It also appeared in another Protestant magazine, “Church Review,” in England, October 3, 1895. The article in the magazine charges Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having stated those words in Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903.

But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, he produced the manuscript of his discourse. What the Pope actually said is:

“The Pope REPRESENTS Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on earth and in heaven.”

This is simply an affirmation of the Pope being the ‘representative’, or ‘Vicar’ of Christ and NOTHING else.

The Church has been dealing with lies and twisting if her truth for 2000 years because ignorant people like YOU simply swallow this garbage instead of doing your homework.

Your LIES are pathetic because, like EVERY other lie you utter about Christ’s Church – you must take things completely OUT of context in a vain attempt to make your impotent points . . .

Now who's lieing? Nice try at deflection. The pictures I posted above as evidence of this particular phrase comes from something vastly different from a misquoted speech of the early 20 the century. No, that reference comes from no less a source than your own Vatican archives and a part of Canon law collections.

1511 edition of Extravagantes viginti Johannis vigesimisecundi.
Basel, Switzerland

The context, or English translation and Latin original of the text is as follows....

Credere autem Dominum Deum nostrum Papam conditorem Dictae Dectretalis et istius, non sic potuisse statuere prout statuit, haereticum censeretur.

But to believe that our Lord God the Pope, the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical

 

[brakelite]

Yes - ALL of the Early Chgurch Fathers were "Apostate" until the Father of YOUR cult, William Miller came on the scene in the 19th century with his phony-baloney "prophecies" about Christ's supposed Return - which NEVER came.

The putrid filth continued to spew from the mouth of the Mother of your sect, Ellen G. White and HER failed prophecies - but it was the Early Church Fathers who were all "apostate".
What a load of anti-historical manure.

Remember: Just ONE failed prophecy makes a FALSE PROPHET. - and your SDA cult had them in spades . . .

You haven't really spent any time whatsoever studying Miller, you have no clue as to his theology and reasons for his conclusions, and no idea of the road he traveled to get there. Have you read any book written by EGW ?? Have you read of her history, her background, education, and life? That SDAs are Rome's worst nightmare is because only we fully understand the extent and depth of your church's apostasy, and only we, of all Protestant denominations, are willing to tell the truth... The same truth as taught by all the reformers and many before them... That the papal church is the Antichrist of scripture.
The church could not deny the scriptural evidence in the 1600s and people left Rome in droves as a result. But kudos to the Vatican in always thinking in the long term. They knew that given time, and with the able assistance of two brilliant Jesuit authors who successfully changed the historicist hermeneutic of prophecy, Protestantism would come round to Rome's way of thinking, and deny the obvious. Well done Vatican. You have successfully duped the rest of the Protestant world, but Adventists, sorry BoL, you and your friends will have to try a lot harder. The above evidence as Lord God the Pope (and more to come if you like regarding vicarius filli dei) an example of the whores blasphemy.

 

[Phoneman777]

Just exposing more FALSE accusations is all . . .

The papacy has been as faithful to expose truth as Josef Mengele was to keep the Hippocratic Oath.

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes, yes, "whore of Babylon" and all that rubbish - but in the end - YOU can't seem to substantiate ONE SINGLE one of the "quotes" you posted - CAN you??

Thanks for proving me right once again, my dishonest friend . . .

I and others have already provided citations for those and many others - your sad devotion to the papal Antichrist and your limitless ability to stubbornly reject factual statements by your own church is made evident to anyone who knows how to work an internet search bar.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I and others have already provided citations for those and many others - your sad devotion to the papal Antichrist and your limitless ability to stubbornly reject factual statements by your own church is made evident to anyone who knows how to work an internet search bar.

No - you haven't . . .
You have RUN from every challenge to provide evidence.

Now - CAN you substantiate your bogus "quotes" - or shall I continue to expose you??

 

[BreadOfLife]

The papacy has been as faithful to expose truth as Josef Mengele was to keep the Hippocratic Oath.

Your moronic little one-liners aside - your unwillingness to provide some actual documented evidence for your historically-bankrupt "quotes" is pathetic . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You haven't really spent any time whatsoever studying Miller, you have no clue as to his theology and reasons for his conclusions, and no idea of the road he traveled to get there. Have you read any book written by EGW ?? Have you read of her history, her background, education, and life? That SDAs are Rome's worst nightmare is because only we fully understand the extent and depth of your church's apostasy, and only we, of all Protestant denominations, are willing to tell the truth... The same truth as taught by all the reformers and many before them... That the papal church is the Antichrist of scripture.
The church could not deny the scriptural evidence in the 1600s and people left Rome in droves as a result. But kudos to the Vatican in always thinking in the long term. They knew that given time, and with the able assistance of two brilliant Jesuit authors who successfully changed the historicist hermeneutic of prophecy, Protestantism would come round to Rome's way of thinking, and deny the obvious. Well done Vatican. You have successfully duped the rest of the Protestant world, but Adventists, sorry BoL, you and your friends will have to try a lot harder. The above evidence as Lord God the Pope (and more to come if you like regarding vicarius filli dei) an example of the whores blasphemy.

"THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT"
NOTHING else needs to be added to this to conclude that William Miller was a FALSE prophet because he did what the Bible warned AGAINST by trying to guess when Christ would return.

Ellen G. White stated that the Pope's title added up to Six Hundred and Sixty-six.
What she FAILED to mention was that by using the SAME numerology criteria - "Ellen Gould White" ALSO adds up to Six Hundred and Sixty-six.

In one of her hallucinations, she prophesied that Old Jerusalem would never be built up.
Since Israel's rebirth in 1948 - it has been greatly built up.

She also prophesied that England would declare war on the United States - DURING our Civil War.
This NEVER happened.

This kind of garbage goes on and on in your SDA cult . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Now who's lieing? Nice try at deflection. The pictures I posted above as evidence of this particular phrase comes from something vastly different from a misquoted speech of the early 20 the century. No, that reference comes from no less a source than your own Vatican archives and a part of Canon law collections.

1511 edition of Extravagantes viginti Johannis vigesimisecundi.
Basel, Switzerland

The context, or English translation and Latin original of the text is as follows....

Credere autem Dominum Deum nostrum Papam conditorem Dictae Dectretalis et istius, non sic potuisse statuere prout statuit, haereticum censeretur.

But to believe that our Lord God the Pope, the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical

Uhhhhh, no - they were perversions from two PROTESTANT publications, "Evangelical Christendom" and "Church Review".
As I stated the ORIGINAL discourse is ALL available for review.

Nice TRY - but as usual, the anti-Catholic LOSES . . .

 

[Phoneman777]

No - you haven't . . .
You have RUN from every challenge to provide evidence.

Now - CAN you substantiate your bogus "quotes" - or shall I continue to expose you??

I and others have shown you repeatedly what blasphemous claims your own church has published. We haven't run from anything - it is YOU who runs from reality. No amount of your denial can prevent anyone reading this from searching up and discovering these blasphemous statements by papal enemies of God.

 

[Phoneman777]

Your moronic little one-liners aside - your unwillingness to provide some actual documented evidence for your historically-bankrupt "quotes" is pathetic . . .

We've provided you with plenty, silly papist. It is YOU who refuse to accept the writings of your own papal authorities...you're not doing the papacy any good by denying what they freely claim publicly.