The stuff you are saying here, I never hear these things. I've been in pretrib circles for a long time, and I don't hear things like this.
Well, I do, actually, but it's always from those who are attempting to refute pretrib. And you seem to be adding in some partial rapture ideas.
The thing it seems to me that many people don't understand, just because we hold a pretrib position doesn't mean we have some warped view of tribulation, which is affliction, which is contrary circumstances which cause suffering. Some of it is caused by others, and some is caused simply by circumstances. That suffering can be prolonged and immense.
When Jesus said that this would be the time of greatest affliction this world has known, that doesn't mean no one will have ever suffered worse than these, rather, that there would be more than ever before.
Christians are being tortured and killed today, in all manner of horrible ways. I don't think it hurts less now because it's before the rapture. And of course not just Christians, all manner of people. But it will be greater then. More. Though when a man suffers, he suffers, no matter what the occasion.
Yes, we rejoice in our anticipation of being gathered together to Jesus. We rejoice in at last being free of all the constraints and adversity in this world. And we, just like you, are mindful of what the apostle wrote,
1 Peter 4:1 YLT
Christ, then, having suffered for us in the flesh, ye also with the same mind arm yourselves, because he who did suffer in the flesh hath done with sin,
Much love!
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a ridiculous answer. Your arguments?:
1) I haven't heard that one before... Well, actually I have. And it's against Pretrib, so....
2) The Tribulation Period you're describing isn't really different from suffering in the present age. Well, actually it is... It will be worse, or more.
What kind of argument is this? My complaint was based on over 50 years of reading about this material. None of it was made up by me except how I, as a Postrib, view Pretrib scenarios as inconsonant with the real biblical picture of the endtimes.
Yes, Pretribbers paint an extreme picture of what they see as the "Great Tribulation" in order to coerce Christians to become serious immediately, since they think the Rapture could happen anytime, and if they aren't ready they may have to face the Antichrist and all of God's Wrath to come down upon the world at that time. What about this isn't in all of the Pretrib movies??
But I believe the real, biblical "Great Tribulation" is the Jewish Diaspora of the NT age--not the Reign of Antichrist. And what makes this Tribulation for the Jews greater than any other is the fact is *lasts longer* than any other punishment the Jews have suffered. It began in 70 AD and ends with the 2nd Coming at the very end of the age.
Why do I say this? It's because this is how Jesus defined the "Great Tribulation" or the "Great Distress" in each of the Gospel accounts of the Olivet Discourse. This was a *Jewish Punishment* to begin in Jesus' generation and to begin with the fall of the Temple and the city of Jerusalem.
It would begin with the "People of the Prince to come" in Dan 9, who would "destroy the city and the sanctuary," named the "Abomination of Desolation" in vs. 27. Jesus used the same term which is described in Luke 21 as Jerusalem being surrounded by armies. And the Gospel accounts of the Olivet Discourse do point back to Daniel.
I've shared this definition of the "Great Tribulation," given by Jesus, many times. And nobody is able to refute it because it is precisely what Jesus said. I challenge anybody to question what is said here, defining the "Great Tribulation" as a Jewish Punishment to happen in Jesus' generation!....
Luke 21.20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."
So, this is where you go wrong with your "more" suffering during the Reign of Antichrist. This "Great Tribulation" is not the Reign of Antichrist, his persecution of backslidden Christians at that time, and God's wrath to judge the Antichristian world. Rather, the Reign of Antichrist will just be the final antichrist among many in the present age. And instead of a variety of examples of God's wrath in the present age, the final wrath will be more encompassing, just like Noah's Flood encompassed an entire civilization.
That 3.5 year period will end with a bang because it will end with world judgment at the coming of Christ to destroy Antichrist with his word. So, at the very end it will be very extreme for the world, and that will be the worst for those under judgment. But for Christians who have bravely resisted Antichristianity in the world, it will mean Christ's return to rescue them. And for the Jews it will be the end of an age-long period of suffering, and the beginning of a great national revival at the return of their Messiah.