Let's discuss..cessation after death?
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Oh well, I guess you are speaking under "divine inspiration"
How is it there in Turkey?
J.
Hmm..how is it that you are the "real witness?"
Yup, the world is in utter chaos wouldn't you say?
Anyway, a warm welcome to the forum brother, real "intense personal debates" going on here.
J.
Beacuse i got a letter from God
my cat wrote to me letter with using my computer.
please ask questions, dont hesitate that i am the witness
i am there for a reason
my cat wrote to me letter with using my computer.
please ask questions, dont hesitate that i am the witness
i am there for a reason
İf you dont beileve me read revelation 2
it talks about me
the two edged sword
means the two witness
i am Mert Kılıç
if you translate my name into english
it means brave sword
also devil is in my country
so look at revelation 2
you will see this
it talks about me
the two edged sword
means the two witness
i am Mert Kılıç
if you translate my name into english
it means brave sword
also devil is in my country
so look at revelation 2
you will see this
No look at my name
my name is Mert Kılıç
if you translate in english
it means brave sword
then look at revelation 2
about two edged sword
my name is Mert Kılıç
if you translate in english
it means brave sword
then look at revelation 2
about two edged sword
And after that, there are some other verses to consider also. Like the second death that is spoken of, for instance. There are, considering each mans final destiny, some very disturbing verses and parables. They seem to portray the second death as being not the worst fate. For instance, the one that says it will be worse for some men on “that day” than it will be for sodom. What did you think when you first read that? My thought, (given what I had heard men teach), was… are there better and worse levels of hell?? The men who tried to break the door down to do despicable things to angels do not have the worst outcome…??
I could give many more likewise disturbing verses and parables. They disturb what we hold as being settled truth. They show us that there are things we haven’t yet seen or understood. They turn systematic theology on its head.
I actually agree with you.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
There seems to be a radical redefinition of entire doctrines in the West and I am astonished to see there are over 45,000 denominations/churches in the world.
We are definitely in the "last days"
Blessings
J.
When I was young I joined up with the Pentecostal Church and that scarred me for most of my life.
J.
I am weary of people who "knows" all the answers especially when it is the infallible scriptures.
J.
Ronald David Bruno
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I am neither a JW, nor SDA, it's just the concept of eternal hell has never made sense to me, so much so that it inspired me to write a book on the subject; but then only devoted two chapters to it. That was enough. It has a nice ring to it: "Hell ... If I Know". Don't bother - it is out of print, so this isn't a plug. It did not do well for several reasons, one of which is the title - too scary ... along with the cover as well. A woman would not pick it up. What was I thinking? Oh well, it detoured a few people and I loved the research and enjoy writing
I had a year off during the 2008-09 recession, so I dove in 8-10 hours/ day for ten months. Needless to say, I am familiar with the nature of hell, having examined it in every which way. It is a good study. It is important- it is what we are saved from.
...and live a life pleasing unto our Lord, denying self, take up our cross and keep on following the Master.
I find these words encouraging: Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
The whole salvation of Christ in our stead is not just saved from hell Robert.
Which begs the question..how many are sealed with the Holy Spirit?
Is it biblical to be frivolous and lighthearted since Christ had nowhere to lay His weary head?
Can we live, in our old age, with one foot in the world and the other in Christ?
The Jews have a saying...there is a time to laugh, and it is not now..
Blessings to you and family
Johann.
I don’t know…is eternal torment one of those radical redefinitions? I don’t know how long it’s been around. But I know that “to whoever more is given more will be required” has become to whoever more is given, nothing will be required, not even unshakable trust. Let’s just make them all real comfortable and focused on the outside of their cup so nobody can become a threat. Keep them from the kingdom inside them so nobody is taken into holiness where the dead are raised and mouths of lions are shut. Keep them focused on anything but the race to trust more and more. Let them become fat and complacent. Let them repeat, we be the seed of Abraham! We be the seed of the Holy Spirit and the best outcome is reserved for us!
Yes, I am often weary too. Gods word is infallible but men’s proclamations of what Gods word means are not. They are too busy about protecting their elevated saved position and claiming all the pleasant words for themselves and claiming all the difficult and disturbing words for others. Israel did the same thing. They marveled over Him when He spoke gracious words and a moment later He spoke words unpleasant and disturbing to them and they tried to push Him off a cliff. Sweet in the mouth, turning bitter when it hits the inward parts.
You sound "angry/bitter" and that is understandable.
I cannot read your thoughts since I have not yet attained absolute perfection in this life as some boldly claim for themselves
Shalom chesed
J.
@stunnedbygrace
I notice you are a serious one.
Some men/women are hiding behind worldly oratory and some frivolous and lighthearted.
You have a problem with men behind the pulpit?
What is it that you are not saying?
J.
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