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SPIRIT of man ~ begin as a "NATURAL spirit".
SPIRIT of man ~ IS simply a mans "TRUTHS" in his own heart.
SPIRIT of man ~ IS a TRUTH, man:
....Learns from the WORLD, and believes.
....Emotionally believes.

SPIRIT of man ~ (truth in a mans heart)...
Can Absolutely KNOW HIS OWN "TRUTH"...
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Are you saying Adam was created with a spirit. If so can you point that out in scripture???
 

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First of all...Christian, a word standing alone, does not Expressly mean, a man Saved or Born Again.

The Correct Term for a man "Saved and Born again".... IS CONVERTED.

The Correct Term for a man "Saved and Born again IN CHRIST....
IS a "Converted Christian".

So, you wonder WHY DO "Christians" "STILL" sin?

I would say, BECAUSE they are NOT Converted in Christ.



Here you IMPLY, you ARE speaking of a "CONVERTED CHRISTIAN"....
A man "CONVERTED IN CHRIST"...

A man according to you....who was able "TO BECOME" converted by and through Jesus' ACT..of crucifying the SIN-nature of a man.



Then you IMMEDIATELY reveal...according to your own words.......
A man Having BECOME CONVERTED...
IS FALSE CONVERSION...by your own words..

You say...Christ's ACT of crucifying the SIN NATURE...FAILED...and the MAN himself "continues" TO SIN.

Then you say...THE EXCUSE...for Christ's Crucifixion having FAILED...IS...Because of the mans MIND.

THAT my friend IS WORLDLY TEACHING!

Christ's ACT of crucifixion OF HIS BODY, is AN OFFERING, that ANY MAN can ACCEPT, and THUS, the ACCePTANCE of Christ's ACT, becomes APPILIED TO, the mans OWN BODY.

ANY man WHO, ACCEPTS Christ's OFFERING,
RECEIVES, THE SEED OF GOD.....AND IS "NO LONGER" ....."ABEL TO COMMIT SIN."

In essence, You are MAKING a mans MIND, more POWERFUL, than Gods SPIRIT, within the man.

You are teaching, a Contradiction TO Scripture... I disagree with your teaching.

1 John 3:9
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Glory to God,
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Why do you say "you said" and have no idea what I'm talking about. You lost me right off the bat, my first thought was if you have no rebuttal throw in some jumble and see what happens.
I have no real idea what you are talking about, sorry if you want to discuss I'll talk but dont get into a hair splitter or I'm out I don't do that waste of time.
You make some points I want to address but with due respect I dont think you can divide soul and spirit? If you don't mind can you give me a little run down on your conclusions of soul and spirit, using scripture?
 

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Thanks,
Are you saying Adam was created with a spirit.

More precisely, I am saying:
ALL men are "created of a natural element" (dust);
created with a "natural spirit", ie "the spirit "OF" man".

Additionally, "the natural spirit of man" IS:
1) the mans "natural truth".
2) is "located" in the mans "natural heart".

If so can you point that out in scripture???

There is no "one-liner" Scripture.
It is a study of realizing;
WHAT "thing" God Has CREATED "NATURAL"
And
WHAT God "GIVES" a "NATURALLY" created thing to "MAKE" the thing, "SUPERNATURAL".

Zech 12:
[1] The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

In Zech 12:1. We are notified:
The LORD does the forming of the spirit of man.
The mans spirit is within him.

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

In Gen 2:7. We are notified;
Whatever part of man is formed, is man, and is from dust. <---> ie NATURAL.

FOR a NATURAL spirit of man....
TO BE MADE a "supernatural" spirit...

Gods "supernatural" Power MUST "cause that to be EFFECTED/Accomplished".

Jesus says it "simply"...:
A man MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

The Details of "a natural man" "BECOMING "born again"...is within multiple verses throughout Scripture.
(Hearing, Learning, Belief, faith, accepting God, vowing allegience to God, Gods response to Search/See/Look to a mans NATURAL "truth"/spirit, that the mans Confession of Belief, IS TRUE".

God does not CHANGE "a saved and born again man".... God CHANGES "a natural unsaved and un-born man'...

Rom 5:
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Which MEANS....It is precisely...a Natural mans "spriit", that is that WHICH Confesses their BELIEF IN GOD TO GOD.

And the "natural mans spirit", makes its Confession, TO GOD, and WITH the mans NATURALLY created mouth, makes its confession to other men...of their belief IN God.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Pss 51:
10] Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

You can study the multiple scriptures and FIND....
A natural mans Heart is corrupt.
A natural mans spirit in his heart is corrupt.
A natural mans spriit in his heart is a mans express truth.

God offers men, a WAY FOR men TO accept 'HIM' and:
To CHANGE a mans corrupt heart...
......which is BY Gods heart circumcision.
......ie a new heart.
To CHANGE a mans corrupt spirit...
......which is By Gods Seed entering the man
To CHANGE a mans corrupt spirit
......By Gods Seed, rebirthing the mans spirit
To GIVE a mans New spirit, a NEW TRUTH.
......By Gods Spirit of Truth entering the mans
......New spirit in his New heart.

The EFFECT...is a "NEW" creature.
A supernatural heart, Seed, spirit, Truth.

ACCOMPLISHED...BY a Supernatural SPIRIT, who IS GOD....

And EFFECTS...forever "THAT" Supernatural SPIRIT of GOD, to forever BE WITH, the mans New SUPERNATURAL
heart, Seed, spirit, Truth...

Ezek 18
[31] ...makeyou a new heart and a new spirit:

Ezek .36

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you:

John 14
17] ...the Spirit of truth; ... dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

Rom 2
[29] ....inwardly; andcircumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit...

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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More precisely, I am saying:
ALL men are "created of a natural element" (dust);
created with a "natural spirit", ie "the spirit "OF" man".

Scripture says Adam was created a living soul, not spirit, speculation is Christianity's downfall.
 
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Why do you say "you said" and have no idea what I'm talking about. You lost me right off the bat, my first thought was if you have no rebuttal throw in some jumble and see what happens.
I have no real idea what you are talking about, sorry if you want to discuss I'll talk but dont get into a hair splitter or I'm out I don't do that waste of time.
You make some points I want to address but with due respect I dont think you can divide soul and spirit? If you don't mind can you give me a little run down on your conclusions of soul and spirit, using scripture?

Plainly....When I hear the term "CHRISTIAN"....it does not mean ....

SAVED AND BORN AGAIN.

Plainly.....When I hear the term :
Converted Christian
Born Again Christian
Saved and Born Again

NOW I know Exactly that person is claiming to BE SAVED AND BORN AGAIN.

Someone telling me "they are Christian"...or people talking about "Christians".....
Does NOT TELL ME, they are saved or born again.

Jesus taught to BECOME SAVED, to BECOME Born Again ..... He never taught to BECOME "Christian"...

And there are MANY WHO CLAIM to "BE CHRISTIAN"......who have never become saved or born again.

And there are MANY WHO CLAIM, they "use" to be Christian...and are no longer Christian....which fosters a FALSE argument...
Of men saying....Christians can BE saved and born again.....and then UNSAVED.

Plainly clear now?

Glory to God,
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Scripture says Adam was created a living soul, not spirit, speculation is Christianity's downfall.

No it doesn't.

Scripture reveals;
WHO created man...God
WHAT element man was created from..Dust
WHAT the creator did..blew His breath in man
WHAT effect that had on the man...BECAME a living soul.

The BODY of Man, is NATURAL.
Bringing the BODY OF MAN into a Living state, is BY GODS SUPERNATURAL POWER.

The man was "MADE" Living, by the "supernatural" Power of Gods BREATH.

Make no mistake...
Man (Body) and Soul (in a man) and the (breath of life in the Soul).....

ARE ALL CALLED BY THE IDENTITY of the mans NAME.

The mans (bodily) LIFE....IS BLOOD.

Gen 9
[4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the bloodthereof..

However the SOUL, and it's LIFE IS GODS.

Ezek 18
[4] Behold, all souls are mine;

John 11
[25] Jesus said ...I am ..the life:

Men CAN KILL a mans LIFE (blood)

Men CAN NOT KILL the soul or the life in the souls....IT BELONGS TO GOD.

And it does NOT Come from DUST.

Glory to God,
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Scripture says Adam was created a living soul, not spirit, speculation is Christianity's downfall.

No it does not.
Adam was created from dust and made a living soul.

Glory to God,
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Food for thought....why did God put a free will in man (including Adam)....why did God put a forbidden tree in the Garden? Why not just leave that tree out of the picture? It would have prevented the fall of man to begin with. No tree no temptation....
I had a vision years ago of all souls living in heaven and then the fall of Satan and 1/3 of the angels with him. In my vision there was much distress and confusion amongst the souls as to what transpired....confusion brought fear. God created a plan for all souls to have free will to choose for themselves because fear and confusion cannot dwell in heaven. So He created man and put a soul in the body. Gave man free will....then a commandment to not eat of the tree.
Hence began the war over the souls of man between God and Satan....satan tempts man through deception and pride (telling him/eve they will not die but become as God)....Satans downfall was pride...mans was pride and disobedience.
God is a Sovereign and Just God and does not force anyone to believe in Him....He gave us a choice...but He also gave us a measure of faith to seek truth.
Well thats something to ponder....
God Bless!☺
John 6 is a very interesting passage which speaks of both human responsibility and Divine sovereignty. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
 
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