[quote name='Founder;68772][quote name='Wiseman' date='19 May 2009 - 12:47 AM' timestamp='1242708478' post='73727'] For the raising of children Costs steadily rise. Have a child or eat? One is often not wise. However' date=' abortion, It's a taking of life. By machine, it's the same As wielding a knife. Contraception, I ponder, As it prevents planted seeds. Not quite a life made, No growth and no needs. Perhaps it is best People don't procreate If they can't raise the child In a proper state. Of course the world now groans Under huge populations. Perhaps shrinking the masses Will ease it's tribulations? It's just a loose thought, And I am just a man. I've no deeper insight Into His master plan. [/QUOTE'] Thanks for the poem, but I have to take issue with some of what it says. It can be argued that the world in some ways may be over-populated, though the opposite can also be argued, but in any case, even if it were true, my point is that the world has too few of the right sort of people, and perhaps too many of the wrong sort. Now reducing our best numbers because we have too many who are more of a problem than a help, does nothing to help us. If we do need to reduce numbers, and I'm not saying that we do, then at least we need to prune from the bottom of the socio-economic scale, and not from the top, as we are now doing. I'm not advocating, in any way, irresponsible reproduction, just complaining that there is not enough responsible reproduction. There is much evidence in the Bible that God does not consider all life to be equally good, and to me the bible is the final word on everything. "He loved Jacob and hated Esau, while they were yet in their mother's womb." This is just one quote, and there are many others along those lines. But, nonetheless, welcome to the Forum. I am new here too, and am here to learn, and teach what little I know.[/QUOTE] Founder...Your post seems to lean towards euthanasia the same thing that Obama is being accused of, after all us old folks [I'm 84] are no longer socially productive, we dont pay into FICA and we are slowly depleating S.S. and Medicare so why not delete Grandpa and Grandma. After all if we claim to be Christians wouldn't we be better off after death than we are now?