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Aunty Jane
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Who said anyone is forgiven to “go free”? Is God’s justice fair?
The Bible says “the wages of sin is death”….and all who have died regardless of the means, have ‘paid sins wages’.
Let me ask you…..what happens to those who have died unrepentant? Where do they go, and what does God do with them as time goes on? Are the repentant ones taken to one place, whilst the unrepentant go somewhere else….? What does the Bible say about that??
Eccl 9:5, 6, 10…
”For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. . . . .Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.“ (ESV)
Are the dead in a conscious state? Can they think, or know, or do anything? It says even their “love” has “perished”….so are the dead alive? The answer is NO! Death is the opposite of life…there is no shadowy “spirit” that leaves the body to go anywhere…but the devil has people believing that the dead are not really dead…..”you surely will not die”……is just the idea he has kept on promoting.
If the Bible says…….“he who has died is freed from sin“ (Rom 6:7)….the word “freed” in Greek is “dikaioō” and can be translated as “acquitted”…..so then, death is the highest sentence paid for all sin….then when death occurs the penalty is paid.….the sentence is carried out….so, what happens to the unrepentant sinners who died?
Jesus tells us in John 5:28-29….
”Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs, will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.“ (ESV)
So, the hour was “coming” in Jesus day for all the dead to awaken…..“all in the tombs” both those who have “done good and evil” will come out of those tombs, which mean that they have to still be in them…they haven‘t gone anywhere.
And this is a resurrection for “all” who have died, who are separated only by the fact that they have either died in a justified state, or not…some having repented of their sins before death and have “done good”, will come to “life”……but others are resurrected to a period of “judgment”. So having been “acquitted” of the sins they committed before they died, they are not judged by what they did before they died, but by what they do after their resurrection, during that period of judgment.
Christ’s sacrifice has given them a return to life….and an opportunity for some who never had chance to come to know the true God and his son, because of circumstances beyond their control, to get to know him and to respond by bringing their lives into harmony with God’s requirements.
The whole teaching of the resurrection was lost when the idea of an immortal soul took root…..but it is not biblical….it is an adoption from pagan ideas. There is no immortal soul in man. He is a mortal being who was designed to live forever in paradise on earth…..Christendom has corrupted that whole idea and turned the original resurrection hope into a farce.
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soberxp
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If one of you is a parent, why can't you believe that you can raise innocent children?
If you are serious about teaching the words of the Bible, it is difficult, but why not?
Sin is not hereditary, but the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of good and evil is hereditary.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil of the previous generation is taught to the next generation, which is the fundamental cause of the continuity of sin.The fruit of the tree of good and evil varies from generation to generation.
Why not teach the next generation the word of God, the tree of life of God.
Washing away the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of good and evil that is Washing away the sin and death.
It is not too late, wake up guys!
9:48
And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
18:5
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
If you are serious about teaching the words of the Bible, it is difficult, but why not?
Sin is not hereditary, but the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of good and evil is hereditary.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil of the previous generation is taught to the next generation, which is the fundamental cause of the continuity of sin.The fruit of the tree of good and evil varies from generation to generation.
Why not teach the next generation the word of God, the tree of life of God.
Washing away the knowledge of the fruit of the tree of good and evil that is Washing away the sin and death.
It is not too late, wake up guys!
9:48
And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
18:5
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
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Brakelite
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So you've changed the whole direction I had been taking and diverted the topic back to your happy hobby horse. I know perfectly well what takes place after death... At least in as much as what is revealed in scripture. So no need to go there. I'm talking about what saves a man. And it isn't his own death. If he dies in sin, he is an imperfect sacrifice and destined to remain dead. Without a resurrection. I cannot pay the price of my own iniquity. Because I'm a sinner. I need a Lamb. Praise God for His precious gift in the Son of God who takes away the sins of those who forsake and turn away from this world and embrace God kingdom and it's principles.
Brakelite
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No. Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves. He was condemned for our sins, in which He had no share, that we might be justified by His righteousness, in which we had no share. He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His. "With His stripes we are healed." DA 25.2
Aunty Jane
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You are reading past what I have said…..no one can pay for their own sins…..what the Bible says is that sin is what causes death, regardless of how we die or at what age…none of us make it out of this life alive.
The highest penalty paid for any crime committed under God’s law, was death. So all who have died, were sinners and have suffered the death penalty. At death it says one is “freed from sin”…….what is the point of being freed from sin if death is permanent? It’s a bit late then.
And if those who have died in times past, had no contact with God’s people because they were geographically isolated or who lived at a time before God’s people were a nation….how were they to know about the true God and his Christ….will God punish them with eternal death for their ignorance? Where is the justice in that?
Only in the Christian Era was the “good news (gospel) of the Kingdom“ going to be “preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” before “the end” came. (Matt 24:14)
So we have a timeframe where ignorance is not held against anyone who had no opportunity to hear the message. Isn’t this why Jesus sent out his disciples to preach? What was the reason for that?
Paul said…..”However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” (Rom 10:14-15)
Those alive in the time of God’s judgment will have no excuses for not knowing God and his Christ….and that is the difference. People are now making decisions about God that will place them in only one of two categories…..”sheep or goats”….Jesus knows those who belong to him…..and his sheep know him…the goats have no idea who the true God is, and have accepted a satanic counterfeit.
God will not interfere with our choices, made from the free will he gave us…..but he will simply react to whatever decisions we have made, for whatever reasons we have made them.
Brakelite
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An explanation of what that expression actually means comes a few short verses later... And it isn't about or physical death... It's about the old man, the former corrupt carnal fleshly spiritual nature that is crucified with Christ...
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. ”
Galatians 2:20 KJV
“11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ”
Romans 6:11-14 KJV
Being dead to sin is an attitude that one comes to by faith in God's word. That attitude is for the life we live now, and the righteousness we receive as a result is a gift. It doesn't come from inside us, but outside... From above. This righteousness is not ours, but Jesus's, and is promised to those who believe. Now. Not when we are dead, because as you said, that would be too late. The following all refer to this life, and it comes as a result of trusting in the death of Christ as being your own.
“For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. ”
Galatians 5:5 KJV
“For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. ”
Romans 1:17 KJV
“22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. ”
Romans 3:22-28 KJV
“7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. ”
Philippians 3:7-11 KJV
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