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Matthias

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Jesus gave up so very much to live as a 100% man on earth and then ascended back to heaven =God the Son!!
Philippians 2 says, “He didn’t count equality with God a thing to be grasped but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, a slave.” Slaves have no rights, and Jesus became a slave for our sakes. He gave up the right to be with His Father.

Now we’re both laughing.
 

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‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’” John 10:33


- Look at the context :

- John 10:15 : Jesus calls God his father !

- John 10:17 : he says it again !

- John 10:18 : my Father !

- John 10:25 : in my Father’s name !

- John 10 :29 : my Father !

- John 10 : 30 : I and the father are one !

- John 10:33 : Thus it can only be a god (or like a god / a deity, especially the supreme divinity), not God !

- John 10:34 : is it not written in your Law : I have said you are gods ?

- John 10:35 : if he called them gods to whom the word of God (a deity, especially the supreme divinity)

- John 10:36 : I am the son of God
 

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2) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 4: Jesus then goes to Nazareth and he enters the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he reads about the prophet Isaiah and he speaks about the Messiah and he tells the audience that the words of the prophet are fulfilling that day!


- Jesus tells the religious leaders that he is the Christ from the Bible and the one they are waiting for and his miracles prove who he really is!

- So once again they have all the information!

- They can’t say we don’t know or we didn’t know!

- They reject him because it is against their own interests so they oppose him all the time so they have no excuse!
 

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2) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 4: Jesus then goes to Nazareth and he enters the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he reads about the prophet Isaiah and he speaks about the Messiah and he tells the audience that the words of the prophet are fulfilling that day!


- Jesus tells the religious leaders that he is the Christ from the Bible and the one they are waiting for and his miracles prove who he really is!

- So once again they have all the information!

- They can’t say we don’t know or we didn’t know!

- They reject him because it is against their own interests so they oppose him all the time so they have no excuse!

Despite the fact that there is no historical basis whatsoever for it, it’s not uncommon to hear trinitarians say that the Jews were trinitarians.

Are you settled on the matter; persuaded that the Jewish leaders didn’t reject him for claiming to be the second person of the Trinity?
 

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Despite the fact that there is no historical basis whatsoever for it, it’s not uncommon to hear trinitarians say that the Jews were trinitarians.

Are you settled on the matter; persuaded that the Jewish leaders didn’t reject him for claiming to be the second person of the Trinity?

Is there a Holy Trinity in Judaism?

In Judaism, the idea of God as a duality or trinity is heretical — it is even considered by some polytheistic. According to Judaic beliefs, the Torah rules out a trinitarian God in Deuteronomy (6:4): "Hear Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one."
 
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What do Jews think of the Holy Spirit?

In Judaism, the Holy Spirit (Hebrew: רוח הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh) refers to the divine force, quality, and influence of God over the universe or over God's creatures, in given contexts.
 

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Do Messianic Jews believe in Trinity?

Many Messianic Jews affirm the doctrine of the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as three representations of the same divinity.
 

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Who do the Jews worship?

Yahweh

God in Judaism has been conceived in a variety of ways. Traditionally, Judaism holds that Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the national god of the Israelites, delivered the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, and gave them the Law of Moses at Mount Sinai as described in the Torah.
 

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Jesus gave up so very much to live as a 100% man on earth and then ascended back to heaven =God the Son!!
Scripture does not once make the claim that Jesus is God the Son. This is a converse of what Scripture DOES say, that Jesus is the Son of God. Converses are not synonyms.

The claim that Jesus gave up so much is specious. For instance, I lost my tactical pen. This means, by definition, I do not have what I once did. Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Do you deny this?

If he sits at the right hand of God AND was elevated, glorified to that position as Hebrews 1 says, he did not lose anything BUT gained.


God has never said
to any of the angels,
“You are my Son, because today
I have become your Father!”
Neither has God said
to any of them,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son!”
Heb 1:5
 

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Scripture does not once make the claim that Jesus is God the Son. This is a converse of what Scripture DOES say, that Jesus is the Son of God. Converses are not synonyms.

The claim that Jesus gave up so much is specious. For instance, I lost my tactical pen. This means, by definition, I do not have what I once did. Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Do you deny this?

If he sits at the right hand of God AND was elevated, glorified to that position as Hebrews 1 says, he did not lose anything BUT gained.


God has never said
to any of the angels,
“You are my Son, because today
I have become your Father!”
Neither has God said
to any of them,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son!”
Heb 1:5
Scripture does not once make the claim that Jesus is God the Son. This is a converse of what Scripture DOES say, that Jesus is the Son of God. Converses are not synonyms.

The claim that Jesus gave up so much is specious. For instance, I lost my tactical pen. This means, by definition, I do not have what I once did. Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Do you deny this?

If he sits at the right hand of God AND was elevated, glorified to that position as Hebrews 1 says, he did not lose anything BUT gained.


God has never said
to any of the angels,
“You are my Son, because today
I have become your Father!”
Neither has God said
to any of them,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son!”
Heb 1:5

Yes like Abraham who offered his son on the altar and was called God's friend!
 

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3) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 4:

- At first Jesus is well accepted!

- But they don’t understand how he can speak as he speaks because he is the son of a carpenter!

- And they want him to do what he did in Capernaum!

- But Jesus explains that no prophet is accepted in his home territory!

- So they start to be angry at him!

- And they throw him out of the city and try to kill him!

- But he goes away from them!

- Knowledge vs Ignorance

- Jesus tells exactly who the religious leaders are and they don’t like the truth!

- They don’t accept where he comes from and the fact he knows what he knows without having studied!

- They refuse to accept the truth because of man’s tradition!

- They want to kill him all at once because they refuse the truth but he doesn’t let them do it!
 

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4) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 4: In Capernaum, a city of Galilee, he is teaching them on the Sabbath!

- And and they are surprised because of his teaching as he speaks with authority.

- Jesus has authority because people can see that what he says and thinks and does is one and that he really cares about people and he is the same all the time with all kinds of people, he makes no difference. He doesn’t live in big houses, he has nothing for himself! Now when you look at religious leaders, it is completely the opposite, there is no possible comparison, it is TRUTH VS LIAR!
 

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5) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 5:

- Jesus decides to go aboard a boat and begins teaching the crowds from the boat!

- For Jesus, any situation is fine to teach people, any time, anyone, he has no limit, he is always ready to do his Father’s will, he lives God, he eats God, he drinks God, he sleeps God! Now think about religious leaders: do you see the big difference, I should say the CANYON between him and them or the EVEREST!
 

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6) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 5:

- Jesus is teaching!

- Pharisees and teachers of the Law are listening to him!

- They have come from Galilee and Judea and Jerusalem!

- And God’s power is with him to do healing.

- So they can see all the miracles of Jesus thus they have no excuse when they oppose him!

- In fact, they know everything about Jesus!

- Then he forgives the sins of a paralyzed man!

- And then he cures him to show them that he has authority on earth to forgive sins!

- And people are seized with amazement and glorify God and are filled with awe!

- But not the religious leaders!

- Jesus can read their thoughts but they even don’t care about it! They know everything but they don’t care at all because it is against their own interests!

- Those who care are amazed but it is not the case of the religious leaders!
 

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7) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 5:

- The Pharisees and the scribes don’t understand why Jesus eats with tax collectors and sinners!

- How is it possible to ask such stupid questions?

- The answer is in Jesus’ life, you open your eyes and you shut your mouth!

- That’s why God looked for faithful leaders through experience and hard life!

- First of all, we are all sinners, So!

- Think about what people are doing on Christianityboard.com!

- Jesus came on earth to help all kinds of people, so!

- What is the Bible? IS IT NOT A HUGE TABLE FOR SINNERS?
 

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8) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 5:

- Jesus is asked why his disciples don’t fast!

- He answers them the friends of the bridegroom can’t fast while the bridegroom is with them!

- But when he will be taken away from them then they will fast!

- They know nothing and they always ask Jesus but they don’t understand!

- Jesus patiently answers them!

- People follow Jesus because he teaches them and they can learn something from him!