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Because we are not under the law, but under grace, right MJ?mjrhealth said:Gods official version is Jesus. Mans offical version is the bible. Why are you so mad at me, if you have the truth you would have no reason to be mad at me. You really dont understand teh law do you, not one bit.
Waht does the law do,
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
What else
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
YEs look at me look at me i am so good, the law sets men to boast,
yet
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Not so easy is it
And
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
What did teh one with teh law do,
Lok at me look at me look at me, yet again found wanting,
And what about Saul..
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Again even he had reason to boast, a pharisee yet by the law killing Gods children because the law said it was a good thing to do,
And what does God think about it all,
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
God is love, man was created in Gods image which is Love, Jesus comanded us to Love why because He is love, those who are in Christ have Love, Love does no evil. Why is love such a problem, if you are in Christ and put on His righteousenss, how can you sin, how can you do evil, Jesus has no "guile" in Him.
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
See the ones who had the law always did the things the "law" comanded them to do, they would rather kill than forgive, wouldnt lift a hand to help anyone on teh sabbath because of the "law" yet as Jesus said, they would rescue a lamb from a well.
Is that what you want so bad, to die. Because that is what the law is doing, it has condemend you to death, that is what the law does. Jesus, the one without sin, was slayen by the law, because He took our sin upon himself, if He had not the law would never have killed Him, it could not Do you really think you can do a better job of it than Him.
Amen,Our rebellious hearts just love the idea of throwing the rule book away.
mjrhealth said:Amen,
Is Jesus sin, have you not put on His righteousnness or are you still wearing yours by the law. Is His righteousness sin, or is Jesus a liar. You dont see because like so may you choose not to see. You claim to be in Him but all you say says you are not. How can you be in Him and still sin,To sin one needs a law to break, its becasue you hold onto the law and not Him than you sin, for you choose your own righteousness by the law rather than His by grace. Our life is in Him, how can you have life if you are under the law and the stench of death.
Are you claiming to be without sin, then, Mj?mjrhealth said:Amen,
Is Jesus sin, have you not put on His righteousnness or are you still wearing yours by the law. Is His righteousness sin, or is Jesus a liar. You dont see because like so may you choose not to see. You claim to be in Him but all you say says you are not. How can you be in Him and still sin,To sin one needs a law to break, its becasue you hold onto the law and not Him than you sin, for you choose your own righteousness by the law rather than His by grace. Our life is in Him, how can you have life if you are under the law and the stench of death.
If I can unravel this, I think we are sort of saying the same thing.mjrhealth said:Perfect if I was perfect I would not need Christ, have I sinned yes I have sinned, what you too have failed to comprehend is what Christ has done for you. Are you in Christ or not, if you are in Christ have you not put on His righteousness or are you still wearing you own which is as filthy rags. If you are not in Christ of course you will sin for sinners need the law to do good for they need the threat of death by the law you have chosen hanging over you. Those who are in Christ and who walk in the Spirit, have no condemnation because they have no law to condemn them, because they wear His righteousness , and His righteousness has no sin, we are called to walk in Love because God is love. Love seeks no evil does no eveil needs no laws to do right. Only sinners need the law just as they do in this world.
If ypo choose to be condmend by the law fine, just dont expect grace to be there to rescue you. You have chosen your own way over His.
The law is not our standard, Christ is. See HTE what we speak of most is where our heart is, all you speak of is the Law. rarely is Jesus even mentioned anywhere. You have a choice. one cannot serve two masters just as one is not supposed to have two husbands, this bit,How do you "walk in love"? MJ...do you follow your own standards? You must, as you do not believe in God's law...interesting theology...so tell me more..what standards do you use to "walk in love"?
I trust Him, I know Him, I believe Him, I talk to Him, He is my father after all. Dont you??You say you walk in "love"..how do you do that? How do you love God?
See HTE im not here for you, like so many christians,Do you use His name in vain? Do you worship statues? Do you believe in graven images? Do you have any other god's you worship? What day do you keep to worship Him?
When Jesus saved the woman caught in adultery, He said 'go and sin no more ' John 8:11.mjrhealth said:Yo know that wedding feast we have being invited to, teh one where Christ and His bride( teh church) are joined and become as one, the one where one man is found not to be dressed and is removed. See that man tried to get in on His own works, on His own righteousness and was found to be unworthy, those who are invited, even teh dreggs of the earth who He send His workers to invite will be clothed in His righteousness and will be Ready beacuse of what He has done not what they Have done.
Stop grasping at straws you are no good at it, you keep drawing teh short one.
Except, of course, your KATH-lick neighbors, right hatefromheretoeternity?heretoeternity said:If you love God, and love your neighbour, as Jesus said, you are fulfilling the law, the Ten Copmmandments..thats what they are all about..the first four, the Love of God, and the last six love of your neighbour, as defined by Jesus.