Making us like our brother

[Matthias]

Being conformed to his image should not be classified as being made "divine". A created being can never be divine.

I’ve defined “divine” as being “godlike”. You’re saying that a created being can never be godlike?

The substance of divinity is eternal and outside the created realm of space and time.

That sounds like “divine” defined as “deity” to me.

Be careful you don't swallow the original lie from Satan "Ye shall be as God"

 

[Lambano]

I think the confusion is "becoming like God" versus "becoming actually God or gods".

 

[Lambano]

I think the confusion is "becoming like God" versus "becoming actually God or gods".

By vocation, we were created to be the Imago Dei from the very beginning. But an image is not the real thing.

 

[Matthias]

Being conformed to his image should not be classified as being made "divine". A created being can never be divine. The substance of divinity is eternal and outside the created realm of space and time. Be careful you don't swallow the original lie from Satan "Ye shall be as God"

In post #18 I quoted a tweet posted on X / Twitter by Dr. Michael Horton wherein he asserted, “We are deified by grace.” I disagree with his assertion. I don’t want to put words in your mouth but it appears to me from what you‘ve said that you disagree with that assertion too.

 

[Lambano]

di·vine
adjective

1. of, from, or like God or a god:

 

[Matthias]

By vocation, we were created to be the Imago Dei from the very beginning. But an image is not the real thing.

Jesus, our brother, is the perfect image of the Father.

We, I would say, are a blemished or tarnished image of the Father and the Father is making us like our brother to become the perfect image of the Father that he is.

 

[shepherdsword]

I’ve defined “divine” as being “godlike”. You’re saying that a created being can never be godlike?

An Orwellian spin. Lucifer wanted to be "as God" too. Look where it got him.

That sounds like “divine” defined as “deity” to me.

That's because divine equates to deity.

 

[Matthias]

An Orwellian spin. Lucifer wanted to be "as God" too. Look where it got him.

Lucifer wanted to take God’s place. I shouldn’t have to add this but I feel that I do: I don’t want to take God’s place.

God himself made Moses “as God” to Pharaoh (Exodus 7:1). Look where it got him.

That's because divine equates to deity.

I see that you are using it that way but that isn’t the only way that the word is defined.

Definition of DIVINE

of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God or a god; being a deity; directed to a deity… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[ScottA]

Your echo of Genesis 2:24 and its imagery of sexual intercourse as a metaphor for the joining of two people into a single family-unit threw me and started me thinking of non-spiritual matters. This is all your fault.

What do you think of Theosis? Your use of "being joined with Him" resonates with "participating in the divine life" and "union with God" description I quoted in post #9.

Postscript: Theosis doesn't have any particular appeal to me; quality control engineers don't make good mystics. But it's an oddity around here, and my aforementioned friend on the other forum had a mystical bent, so I'm curious.

There are biblical examples: fish school, birds flock--birds of a feather, etc. But the greatest are of the two becoming one, where we somehow (by God) become less and He increases, His spirit entering into us in a way that it is even He who speaks, rather than we ourselves. In this same way, if we have seen Christ, we have even seen the Father, as if One--and that is what is written of them--and us. As if the gift of eternal life is Godly DNA to operate in unison--as different parts of the same body, as it were.

 

[ScottA]

An Orwellian spin. Lucifer wanted to be "as God" too. Look where it got him.

That's because divine equates to deity.

How is it that you seem to find it objectionable that we should be perfect just as our Father in heaven is perfect?

 

[shepherdsword]

How is it that you seem to find it objectionable that we should be perfect just as our Father in heaven is perfect?

Who said that? I didn't. How is it you try to add to my words and twist them into something that was nevr said?

 

[ScottA]

Who said that? I didn't. How is it you try to add to my words and twist them into something that was nevr said?

I quoted you saying "as God" and comparing it to "Lucifer." It's enough.

 

[shepherdsword]

I quoted you saying "as God" and comparing it to "Lucifer." It's enough.

You didn't quote me at all. You wrested and twisted my words into some vile lie. What I said is this:

"Being conformed to his image should not be classified as being made "divine". A created being can never be divine."