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Post in thread 'God begets God?'
God begets God?

Ok I read it. I don't disagree but there wasn't much said in that post, but you should not have sent me to that thread.
I saw a side of you that is really very ugly-as well as your buddy, APAK .
I cant read the heart, but I can read what comes out of the mouth which is from the heart.
My mistake was thinking that although we disagree, we both love our Father and our Savior who died in our place from the heart.
No one would talk about someone they consider a brother in that way.
I would never declare an anathema on a non-trin unless point-blank heretical in other ways. There are so many variances believed about the creed's wording that amongst believers, only a VERY FEW would hate and make fun of another believer over it. They're called, High Trinitarians and greatly in the minority and not respected. We just don't make a big deal over it like trin haters do. If someone was causing divisions then yeah, why do that? Stop Dividing Matt.
I have never prayed to a 3 headed God as I am accused by haters.
You claim persecution by the Forum mods. Yet, you are no different than them.
I'm sorry it is the way it is.
 

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Ok I read it. I don't disagree but there wasn't much said in that post …

The one God is explicitly identified in that post using scripture. If you agreed with the identity there would be much less disagreement between us.

but you should not have sent me to that thread.
I saw a side of you that is really very ugly-as well as your buddy, APAK .

I sent you a link to a post in that thread. I’ve made essentially the same post in multiple threads.

I cant read the heart, but I can read what comes out of the mouth which is from the heart.

You’re contradicting yourself.

My mistake was thinking that although we disagree, we both love our Father and our Savior who died in our place from the heart.

I love the one God of Israel and his Son the Messiah.

No one would talk about someone they consider a brother in that way.

Did I ever say to you that I consider you a brother in the faith? Did I not tell you plainly, and on several occasions, that the result of our thinking is not the same?

I would never declare an anathema on a non-trin unless point-blank heretical in other ways.

Your standard is less than the standard set by historical orthodox trinitarianism.

This isn’t the thread for it but sometime you’ll have to inform me which heresies you will cosy up to and which heresies you won’t.

There are so many variances believed about the creed's wording that amongst believers, only a VERY FEW would hate and make fun of another believer over it. They're called, High Trinitarians and greatly in the minority and not respected.

Apparently I respect the “High Trinitarians”, as you call them, more than you do. Ironic, isn’t it.

We just don't make a big deal over it like trin haters do.

For the record, I don’t hate trinitarians.

If someone was causing divisions then yeah, why do that? Stop Dividing Matt.

I’m not causing division among the trinitarians. I don’t even speak with them here unless they come to the few forums where people of “Other Faith” are permitted to speak. With few exceptions, I don’t seek them out.

I have never prayed to a 3 headed God as I am accused by haters.

Have I ever accused you of praying to a 3 headed God?

You claim persecution by the Forum mods.

No I don’t. I seldom come in contact with them. What I’ve said, in fact, is that they have treated me very kindly.

Yet, you are no different than them.

I’m different from them in many ways.

I'm sorry it is the way it is.

It isn’t quite the way you think it is.
 

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I am not going to go back and quote you again (which I did word for word with the "Reply" quote feature)--as you have already denied it.
You didn't quote me. I reposted what I said and it was nothing like what your lying post said.
 
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So you deny posting this, making the comparison of being "as God" with the wants of "Lucifer?"
Of course I said that. I said it in response to this

The Father is making his people divine.

I did not post what you said I did. I also posted

An Orwellian spin. Lucifer wanted to be "as God" too. Look where it got him.
Being conformed to his image should not be classified as being made "divine". A created being can never be divine. The substance of divinity is eternal and outside the created realm of space and time. Be careful you don't swallow the original lie from Satan "Ye shall be as God"

THAT is the CONTEXT of my statement

YOU tried to contort, twist and wrest it into
How is it that you seem to find it objectionable that we should be perfect just as our Father in heaven is perfect?
A statement I never said. So yes,,,,I deny posting or even slightly alluding to what you, in your prevarication and dishonesty,tried to say I did

And ever since I called you out on it--YOU have accused me of lying that you posted it. You're amazing!
LOL....YOU calling ME out? That's a laugh. And I just proved you were lying about what I said..REPENT
 

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Of course I said that. I said it in response to this

I did not post what you said I did. I also posted

THAT is the CONTEXT of my statement

YOU tried to contort, twist and wrest it into

A statement I never said. So yes,,,,I deny posting or even slightly alluding to what you, in your prevarication and dishonesty,tried to say I did
LOL....YOU calling ME out? That's a laugh. And I just proved you were lying about what I said..REPENT
Thanks for filling in the details, some of which I am sure I did not initially read. Even so, what I had read was not correct, thus my comments. But now I see the problem.

This statement you made: "Be careful you don't swallow the original lie from Satan
"Ye shall be as God"--is not the lie Satan originally told.

In fact, much of what Satan said was true. The original lie however, was "You shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

To the contrary many "shall be as God", for it is written that those born of the spirit of God will be One with Him, and will be perfect as He is perfect (John 3:7, 1 Peter 1:23, John 17:23, Matthew 5:48).
 

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Thanks for filling in the details, some of which I am sure I did not initially read. Even so, what I had read was not correct, thus my comments. But now I
I'm glad you do...but I don't see an apology for the false accusation or the snap uninformed judgement
see the problem.

This statement you made: "Be careful you don't swallow the original lie from Satan
"Ye shall be as God"--is not the lie Satan originally told.
Yes, it is (see below)
In fact, much of what Satan said was true. The original lie however, was "You shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

To the contrary many "shall be as God", for it is written that those born of the spirit of God will be One with Him, and will be perfect as He is perfect (John 3:7, 1 Peter 1:23, John 17:23, Matthew 5:48).
You are only quoting a part of it:
Ge 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
 

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I'm glad you do...but I don't see an apology for the false accusation or the snap uninformed judgement

Yes, it is (see below)

You are only quoting a part of it:
Ge 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
As I said, much of what Satan said was true, but only in part. I pointed out the part that was a lie.
 

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As I said, much of what Satan said was true, but only in part. I pointed out the part that was a lie.
Unbelievable, For someone that posts
How is it that you seem to find it objectionable that we should be perfect just as our Father in heaven is perfect?
You sure don't know how to humble yourself and admit wrong. Nothing I have said is a lie. On the contrary, it is you that has lied...outright and unapologetically.
 

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“And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. For those he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.”

(Romans 8:28-29, NABRE)

Thank you, Father.
 

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Unbelievable, For someone that posts

You sure don't know how to humble yourself and admit wrong. Nothing I have said is a lie. On the contrary, it is you that has lied...outright and unapologetically.
Typical twist. I never said you lied. You were simply wrong.

On the contrary, I called you out for the error of likening being "as God" with the wants of "Lucifer", when God's plan is indeed that we be as He is. No apology.
 

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Typical twist. I never said you lied. You were simply wrong.
How many times do I have to prove you wrong before you humble yourself. You posted this "As I said, much of what Satan said was true, but only in part. I pointed out the part that was a lie."
On the contrary, I called you out for the error of likening being "as God" with the wants of "Lucifer", when God's plan is indeed that we be as He is. No apology.
"You called me out" LOL...as if I was actually wrong. I was clarifying something with the OP and you jumped in and responded(as you admitted) without reading the entire post. I proved that what you, in your limited understanding, thought I said, wasn't true. If you ever want to be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect then you will need to learn to humble yourself and admit wrong. Otherwise you will be mistaken for a hypocritical trolling twit.
 

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We are truly being transformed today, into new godlike creatures despite of our corrupted and temporary bodies, beyond just in character of Jesus, we are partaking in the actual divine nature of God, through Jesus' spirit, and thus we are (being) spiritual brothers and sisters of Christ today for and into the Kingdom, of our common and shared one God, our Father.

Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.

Seeing that His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the precise and correct knowledge of Him that called us by His own glory and virtue.

Whereby He has granted to us His precious and exceedingly great promises, that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.

Yes and for this very cause you on your part should show all diligence; to your faith add virtue, and to virtue, knowledge.

And to your knowledge self-control, and to your self-control patience, and to your patience, reverence toward God.

And to your reverence toward God, brotherly kindness, and to your brotherly kindness, love.

For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be neither idle nor unfruitful in the precise and correct knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For he that lacks these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.

Wherefore brothers, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you shall never stumble.

For thus shall be richly supplied to you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

(2 Peter 1:2-11) NEV

The Bible describes Jesus as being our (spiritual and even immortal) brother three times: Hebrews 2:11, Romans 8:29, and Mark 3:34-35.

But we behold him who has been made a little lower than the angels- Jesus- crowned with glory and honour because of his suffering of death, whereby, by the grace of God, he tasted death for every person.

For it became Him for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

For both he that sanctifies and they that are sanctified are all of the same nature. For this cause he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying: I will declare Your name to my brothers, in the midst of the congregation will I sing Your praise.

And again: I will put my trust in Him. And again: Behold, I and the children whom God has given me.

Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same nature; so that through his death he might bring to nothing him that had the power of death, that is, the Devil; and might deliver all those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For truly not to angels does he take hold in association; but he took hold of the seed of Abraham.

Therefore in all things he had to be made like his brothers, so that he might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

For because he himself suffered when tempted, he is able to succour those who are being tempted.

(Heb 2:9-18) NEV

For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many other children. (Romans 8:29) NEV

And looking round on them that sat round about him, he said: Behold my mother and my brothers!
For whoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother and sister and mother. (Mark 3:34-35) NEV
 
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How many times do I have to prove you wrong before you humble yourself. You posted this "As I said, much of what Satan said was true, but only in part. I pointed out the part that was a lie."

"You called me out" LOL...as if I was actually wrong. I was clarifying something with the OP and you jumped in and responded(as you admitted) without reading the entire post. I proved that what you, in your limited understanding, thought I said, wasn't true. If you ever want to be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect then you will need to learn to humble yourself and admit wrong. Otherwise you will be mistaken for a hypocritical trolling twit.
Speaking of hypocracy...in the end, now that you have come full circle and I have given you every opportunity to see your error--you compared brothers in Christ being "as God" with the desires of "Lucifer."

So shall it be written.
 

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Speaking of hypocracy...in the end, now that you have come full circle and I have given you every opportunity to see your error--you compared brothers in Christ being "as God" with the desires of "Lucifer."

So shall it be written.
You have been proven wrong in your slimy lying and false accusations. You should make this your avatar. The hat fits you well.

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Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics
 
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God has his work cut out for him. It’s a good thing for us that he is as advertised in Exodus 34:6-7.
 

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So, then it's back to being a brother or sister of and in Christ, I take it?pryw
 

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Jesus is not just my real living spiritual brother today, he is also my cherished friend.

Friends know all about you and yet they stick around, come hell or high water. They are there to help you when you are in need and also to bring joy to you when you are down.

As Proverbs 17:17 says, A friend is always loyal, and a brother is born to help in times of need.
Of another reading, A friend loves at all times; and a brother is born for adversity.

Therefore I see Jesus for me as both a friend and good brother. These titles are inseparable to me.

Rev 3:20 says of Jesus, Look, I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door (to your heart) I will come in and we will share a meal together as friends.

That's what friends do..
 
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You have been proven wrong in your slimy lying and false accusations. You should make this your avatar. The hat fits you well.

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Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics
Quotable-- for the record.

"You shall know them by their fruits."