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Marriage And Loss

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  1. soul man

    soul man Well-Known Member

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    Philippians 3:8,

    8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    I want to talk about marriage and loss.

    The purpose of marriage on this earth is to make us one with christ. For instance; The struggles you have in being one with your spouse is the same struggle you have in being one with Christ. You did not go into marriage thinking "I'm going to give everything up that makes me who I am." It usually is quite the opposite because we do know know what to do. Union will always be possible as you live your life for others. As you see Christ in you you know it is Christ in your spouse (hopefully their Christian) you see and love. You understand he/she is an expression of Christ in them and that is what you look at. You see the uniqueness of their creation and God chooses to live his life through them.

    Can you see why marriages must not be unequally yoked. The yoke is Christ, and a relationship that see's Christ in other believers is the answer. You will not live it perfect but you will start out on the right foot as they say. It works both ways, your marriage and your understanding of Christ in you. For those that are not married one day you will be more than likely, for those that will never marry then you can set yourself apart for the work of God if you so choose. You are free of any hindrance Paul said for the work of God.

    What has happened with families is Satan has attacked them because if he can destroy families he has an impact on the plan of God. How so; because our union and oneness with Christ is in the plan of marriage. What is the malfunctions that happen in marriage; they are teachers. The malfunctions in parenting are all teachers in the father's schoolhouse. In my simple calculations, the marriage situation is the number one classroom in the father's schoolhouse. The true me will surface in marriage one way or another. No one, not a mother, not a father, no one knows a person better than a spouse knows you.

    Why is that? Because the real me comes out, the true me is lived out in dailey living and a spouse is there to witness it. The good! we all have good, the bad! I'll say no more! and the ugly. But why is it there? Because we are to learn oneness through it all. Marriage is only instituted on this earth it will not be in heaven. That says alot about the plan of God here and now in a marriage relationship.
     
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    Truth Well-Known Member

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    Thank You for this Thread, as I look back to what my late wife initiated, during our life as to how to behave, and who to not fellowship with [the world] I can see your expression as valid. As we both stood in support of each other, in life, in word, and in our commitment to the Lord!
     
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    While there will be no new marriages in Heaven, of those marriages consummated on earth, they are an eternal one-ship which will never end in separation. Whom God hath joined together, let no man put asunder! And if it is evil for man to separate them, then the likelihood of God doing that which He considers evil, will never happen!
     
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    Jesus' teaching on no marrying or giving in marriage was spoken during a conversation where the Saducees asked about a woman widowed six times who married seven brothers. The Law required and encouraged those marriages. If marriages were eternal, why would remarriage be allowed? Paul says a woman is married to her husband as long as he lives, but if she be dead then she is free from the law of her husband.
     
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    Triumph1300 Well-Known Member

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    My wife of almost 50 years passed away in a terrible car accident.
    I loved her dearly.
    I very soon realized being by myself was not for me.

    I have been on my knees asking the Lord to bring a born again Christian woman into my life.
    He did.
    Praise God.

    And I am very thankful for that.
    We became a married couple a few weeks ago.
     
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    Congratulations!
     
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    I did not know that...congratulations. And yes, it is NOT GOOD for man to be alone. ::) wife is going overseas on Tuesday for 5 days...I know I will be bored senseless during that time...although my golf may improve. ;)
     
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    It is a wonderful thing to be blessed once again, Congratulation's!!!!!
    It has been a life changing ordeal for me, Cheryl passed shortly after! But I have decided to stay single, being alone is OK, I no longer have to be concerned about the welfare of someone other than myself, and the cares of this world have just abandoned me!
    I read more, Pray more, and try to be a better servant!
    Please Pray that God will direct my path in His Service! As I have come to realize that there is only One True Joy, to serve, witness, and admonish Him to whom will listen,
     
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    A_Man said: >>"Saducees asked about a woman widowed six times who married seven brothers. The Law required and encouraged those marriages."

    That comes from a messed up interpretation of the Law, which required a brother to raise up children to his brother if his brother died without issue. The Law never said they had to be married.

    A_Man said: >>If marriages were eternal, why would remarriage be allowed?

    While the Apostle Paul tells us that it is permissible for us to re-marry after the death of a spouse, is this God's perfect will, or is Paul only expressing a "Because of your hardness of heart" option?? Paul says, that "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are expedient/edifying/beneficial" 1 Corinthians 6:12

    Same reason why God allowed divorce: "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment."

    Nevertheless in, "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.", we are provided with God's insight into how God regards this male-female unity. He says that He deplores the dissolution of this unity He has created. When the religious leaders countered with the Mosaic Law, wherein divorce was permitted. Jesus responded: "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment."

    Paul was not in favour of remarriage. He never remarried. "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am." I Cor 7:11

    But in all fairness, not everyone wants to be eternally doomed to spending it a wife from whom death had freed them. So Paul is providing them with an exit plan.

    "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are expedient."

    For me, my choice is to remain married to the one God gave me 55 years ago. Death has not parted us, since she has never died. "He that believeth in me shall never die!!
     
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    Stan B,

    Your thinking is very foreign to what I read in the Bible. Man and wife are 'one flesh'. Death and also the transformation that occurs at the resurrection both have an impact on our flesh. Paul says that the woman is not bound by the law of her husband at death.

    Do men have power over death? Men can murder and execute, but we do not have the power to make other men mortal or immortal. The Bible says, "It is appointed unto men once to die." Who appoints men to die? Didn't God appoint for men to die when He decreed that in the day that ye shall eat of the fruit of it, ye shall surely die, and when he cut man off from access to the tree of life?

    As far as separating marriage from sex goes, marriage regulates sex. But in this specific case we read:

    Deuteronomy 25
    5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

    If angels did marry, then apparently it was a grievous offense for which some were bound in Tartarus.

    Jesus said that Moses 'because of the hardness of your hearts' permitted divorce. He did not say that Moses permitted widows and widowers to remarry because of the hardness of their hearts.

    Are you a Mormon, btw?
     
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    I believe a husband and wife who are in Christ can have fellowship together after the resurrection, and love one another. It's just not marriage.

    The custom of saying vows to each other is also not in the Bible. That seems to be a Roman ceremony, similar to the pre-Christian Roman pagan ceremonies, that became European culture. The Hebrews used to pay the father a bride price to secure a wife and eventually the groom would show up with a group to take the bride away to a wedding party. After that, they were husband and wife and they could start their sexual relationship. Things have changed in Judaism since the time of the writing of the New Testament scriptures. The legal cult took over the religion, so now each synagogue has one leader which they falsely call 'rabbi'-- which was not the case in the time we read about in the New Testament. These religious officials perform wedding ceremonies now, like our Christian ministers do based on adapted Roman custom.

    The ceremonies I am familiar with, developed around the book of common prayer, require couples to agree to be together until death do us part-- which is a Biblical expectation. Now, couples can write their own vows.

    Vowing to be together 'forever' is a very foolish vow, like a man vowing to give his wife fresh cut roses on her pillow every morning or promising never to hurt her or never to make her cry.
     
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    In 1984 I was fortunate to receive the answer YES from Cheryl, when I asked Her to become my Wife, and as most of you know She Passed away a Year ago this last Oct. I will always Love Cheryl, for She is still a large part of My Soul, I Miss Her Laugh, Her look when She would be frustrated with me, the sound of Her Voice, But most of all the Comfort of Her Presence! It is a difficult thing to suffer the Loss, and yet I am Grateful that She wasn't faced with this Loss by my passing!
    The Word of God is So True, as We did become ONE, as I still have all that She was within My Soul!
    I am not going to try to replace the unreplaceable, There is much to do for the Kingdom, and I believe that time is short, The cares of worrying about another can as the word states, hinder us so as to not put forth our all, its OK to be without a companion, as long as we have Our Savior with Us.
    Thank You All for Your Prayer's last Year, and for all Your Support, this Forum is all I have concerning Fellowship, and there are some Truly blessed Folk's here. Shalom, Peace, in Yashua's Name!
     
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    I don't see any Biblical evidence that Paul was married in the first place...
     
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    How come?
     
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    farouk, Neither do I have any Biblical evidence that Paul was ever married.

    But I have been presented with many scholarly evidences that that as a Hebrew of the Hebrews, of the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees, that the culture of that day demanded that members be married. The only thing that comes to mind after all these years is the Roman culture of that day: if a man was not married by age 26, he would be permanently disinherited from his family assets forever.

    While I cannot prove it, from my studies, it is my opinion that the Apostle Paul was a widower.
     
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    @Stan B Acts 7.58 speaks of 'a young man called Saul'; in his pre-conversion days.

    There are those who try to use Paul's divorce, as they claim it, to 'prove' all sorts of things about his supposed sanction of the wider matter of divorce and remarriage. Seeing as Scripture itself does not seem to mention anything about any such divorce - indeed, any marriage that Paul supposedly contracted - then any such arguments are essentially arguments from silence.

    I take your point about your sincerely held belief about Paul being a widower.
     
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    When I read this passage, I wonder if Paul belonged to only one, or both categories he mentions, "even as I":

    "But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I."
    1 Corinthians 7:8
     
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    Interesting point.

    I've never seen anything to suggest conclusively that the Greek supports any idea that Paul was divorced.
     
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