Mary as New Eve

[GracePeace]

So... "teacher"... is the husband literally the wife's "head"? LOL

Ephesians 5
22Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands...

Oops! As already noted (I think you may've missed it), Christ as "head" means "Christ is the authority." The husband is the authority of his wife, and the wife is the "body" of the husband because "the two shall become one flesh". That's why Paul says, when encouraging husbands on how they should behave toward their wives, "no one ever hated their own flesh".

There is another Scriptural iteration of Christ as "head" to the Church that could be interpreted in the way you errantly want to insist applies to every instance of it...

Colossians 2:19
...and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

...however, at very best, what this could mean could be that there could be two ways in which this word ("head") is used (if the Colossians case could be 100% substantiated, it couldn't erase the Ephesians 5 case)--and... "head" as "authority" is used of Christ with respect to the Church ("His body"), in explicit comparison to how a husband is "head", authority, over his wife ("his body" Ephesians 5:29--again "the two shall become one flesh").

 

[GracePeace]

No - I've pretty much DESTROYED your arguments.
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The New Eve is the fulfillment of God's prophecy in Gen 3:16:

PROPHECY
Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

FULFILLMENT
Luke 1:31
And, behold, THOU SHALT CONCEIVE in THY WOMB, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

It doesn't get ANY CLEARER in Scripture than this . . .

"'Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and every beast of the field! On your belly will you go, and dust you will eat, all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.'"

I see no basis whatsoever for viewing Mary as New Eve in this passage. Among its meanings :

1. The most literal and plain sense is the serpent, who submitted his gifts ("shrewd") to satan, was cursed to go on his belly--resulting in the offspring of he and his female counterpart, other snakes, striking at men's heels, and the offspring of the man and woman stomping on serpents' heads (1. this has been observed from the beginning of time--and there is the phrase "cut the head off the serpent", 2. quite a disadvantaged position to be placed in strategically--it is a curse, not "without cause", being pronounced on him and his posterity after all).
Why is it the offspring of the woman? Obviously, the woman is the member of humanity who births human "offspring"--but, also, since it was a curse, it could've been meant to function as a reminder : "You attacked mankind by attacking the weaker member, the woman, but now strong justice will come from her--it is fitting, poetic, that from the woman now plays a role in you receiving part of the retribution for your error."
2. Apostle John lays this epithet upon Cain : "of the evil one". Jesus had Himself said this same thing of the Pharisees. Satan (with whom the serpent co-labored)'s "offspring" have had enmity with, and have been persecuting, the just since the foundation of the world--ultimately culminating in the crucifixion of the Son of God, and, in the future, satan's false Messiah, his special "offspring", will "wage war against the saints and overcome them".
3. Until its redemption, the physical body is termed "the body of sin" where Sin issues its Law Romans 6:6, Romans 7:17-25--and men (body soul and mind) had been being "taken captive" Romans 7:23 so that they could not fulfill the law of their mind, the noble ideals and loving purpose which the spirit and mind long for and live by (and die without). (We should not behave like serpents, through whom the tempter worked to cause humanity to "walk after the flesh"--satan has no other aim or power than to cause men to walk after the flesh instead of after the Spirit--to behave like he who was the first to live for himself instead of God.) I believe there is a sense in which this refers to original sin and its effects on us as individuals.
4. Eve's "offspring"--referring, again, to the whole of humanity ("Mother of all the living"), but particularly to One, the "offspring of Abraham" Galatians 3:19--did ultimately crush satan's head at "the place of the skull" (Calvary/Golgotha).
Interestingly, today, we (individually, corporately) are expected to join in and partake of that victory and spread it around the world. "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet." Romans 16:20--as if Christ had not already done so at the Cross? We are to experience it by grace through faith and patience. Not surprisingly, I suppose, since we are Christ's very own body, His bride.

 

[GracePeace]

Learn to understand the Scriptures so you don't HAVE to run to the Mods when an educated Catholic puts you in your place.

You've proven you don't know or revere God's Word here--you ran afoul of God's Word, and when you were informed of your error, you mocked arguments that relied on God's Word as "dancing". Shame.

I am following the rules by contacting the Mods : 1) "When in Rome" 2) "If you do well, will you not be accepted?"

Educated? In what? Definitely not God's Word as has been demonstrated to the readers.

 

[GracePeace]

@theefaith @BreadOfLife Apostolic dogma is that "in Adam all sinned"--Mary was "in Adam", so she sinned. Now that Christ has died and risen, though, she's "in Christ", so she is rescued from bondage to sin she was born into because of her father.
Again, Eve was "immaculate", but every earliest and most authoritative Apostolic indication handed down to us is that Mary needed salvation like everyone else born of Adam and under the curse.

All your baseless wild-eyed bankrupt imaginations do not issue from God--otherwise, they wouldn't be debunked by God (His Word) as we've seen.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You've proven you don't know or revere God's Word here--you ran afoul of God's Word, and when you were informed of your error, you mocked arguments that relied on God's Word as "dancing". Shame.

I am following the rules by contacting the Mods : 1) "When in Rome" 2) "If you do well, will you not be accepted?"

Educated? In what? Definitely not God's Word as has been demonstrated to the readers.

If the last 2 pages of your insane rants has shown us ANYTHING - it's desperation.

The fact that you have continued to argue and RE-ARGUE against my Scriptural obliteration of your nonsense - in my ABSENCE - is crystal-clear evidence of this.

It must have REALLY affected you.
Next time - come don't bring a pea-shooter to a gunfight . . .. . .

 

[Heart2Soul]

As Usual, this thread and every thread topic on the Catholic Doctrine of Faith has become a heated argument that ends up no where except closed for the sake of peace.
I pray I don't see another thread about Catholicism for at least a week.
Closing this thread down.