Aunty Jane
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Have you ever done original language word studies on these topics? If you had, you would understand that one of the words translated as “worship” is in Hebrew “a·vadhʹ which basically means “serve.” Jesus said he did not come to ‘be served’ but to ‘serve’ his God and his disciples by faithfully fulfilling his commission.. (Matt 20:28)In your book and life Jesus Christ is not worshipped. In the Bible and my life He is:
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Another Hebrew term that can denote worship is hish·ta·chawahʹ, which primarily means to “bow down” (Genesis 18:2) or to do obeisance. Whereas such bowing could at times simply be an act of respect or of courteous regard toward another person (Gen 18:2; 33:1-6; 37:9-10), it could also be an expression of worship, indicating one’s reverence and gratitude to God and submission to his will.
Most Hebrew and Greek words that can denote worship can also be applied to acts other than worship.
However, the context determines in what way the respective words are to be understood.
The Greek is pro·sky·neʹo corresponds closely to the Hebrew term hish·ta·chawahʹ in expressing the thought of obeisance and, at times, worship. The term pro·sky·neʹo is used in connection with a slave’s doing obeisance to a king (Matt 18:26) as well as the act Satan stipulated when he offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. (Matt 4:8-9) Had he done obeisance to the Devil, Jesus would thereby have signified submission to Satan and made himself the Devil’s servant. But Jesus refused, saying: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is the Lord your God you must worship [form of Gr. pro·sky·neʹo or, in the Deuteronomy account that Jesus was quoting, Heb. hish·ta·chawahʹ], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service [form of Gr. la·treuʹo or Heb. ʽa·vadhʹ].’”
I am not sure if you are aware but in the British legal system which Australia adopted as a Commonwealth country, judges used to be addressed as “Your Worship”. In the USA judges are called “Your Honor”...it means same thing, based on the same word.
No human is ever given worship in the scriptures, so if the words translated as “worship” pertain to a human it has the meaning of obeisance as the scriptures in Genesis show. It is an act showing respect or reverence.
Jesus said that God alone is to be worshipped.
Jesus is the son of God, and as a human he was never worshipped even by the angels who are also sons of God. They would have given him due respect and honor as their Commander in Chief....and as God’s unique and “only begotten”.
Are you so sure about your facts here? The doctrine of “heaven or oblivion” is not what we believe. Mankind was created to live on earth in mortal flesh.....he was given the opportunity to live forever here on this beautifully prepared planet....all Adam had to do was to remain obedient to his Creator and we would never have known what an evil thing was. So the made up doctrine of “heaven or hell” is what is in error, because God has no such destiny for the majority of the human race....he never did.The angels and people that do not worship Him, are not of God nor the Father.
Since you deny worshipping your created christ-angel, then I guess it's not accurate to say you worship angels.
He's just a made-up foil for your doctrine of heaven or oblivion.
You have the propensity to twist everything I say....and then rail against your own accusations....climb down off your pedestal and just listen for once. Who made you the judge of everyone who disagrees with you?Your accusation against Christ is false. God does not put 'sin' into man's flesh, and tempt man to sin. God is not the tempter. The devil is. And Satan is not the maker of any flesh and blood on earth.
Whatever excuse you want to believe for your unrepented sinning is fine by me. There are plenty of such excuses made by many unrepented Christians.
I don't make any such excuse. If I sin, then I still can have Jesus for my Advocate with God to repent and be forgiven and washed clean in His blood.
But that's only if I sin.
Who said God put sin into man’s flesh? Not me.....You did. Who said God tempted man to sin? Not me....You did. Who said I was an unrepentant sinner....you did.
You remind me somewhat of the tax collector who told God how glad he was NOT to be like the humble sinner standing next to him, whom he despised.
Good grief! Take a listen to yourself.....how righteous do you believe you are by making false accusations against others? Isn’t that sinning? Will you repent? (Matt 7:1-5)
Who said Paul was a double minded sinner....again...not me....you did. Who is making false accusations against God? Not me....I know my God well, but apparently he is not the god you worship because my God does not take kindly to being personally judgmental of others. You can disagree all you wish with the beliefs of others, but the one thing God never gave you or me was permission to downgrade anyone personally and as rudely as you have been doing here.Paul was not speaking of himself while writing Romans 7. Only holy men of God write the words of God. The holy prophets and apostles were not double minded sinners when writing any Scripture from God.
Making Paul a double minded sinner for life, in order to justify being one, is another false accusation against God and His apostles.
The one important identifying mark of true Christians is love.....let me remind you of what Paul wrote that love is.....and what it is not.
1 Cor 13:4-8...
“Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails....”
Is your sinless life filled with this love? I see no evidence for it.
I have addressed it, just not the way you wanted me to....I've given you the Bible and my reasoning of it. You don't address any of it. No problem.
Really? Because I disagree with you, I must be guilty and treated like a dog....nice Christianity you have there...Falsely accusing God, the apostle, and now me to justify yourself is your M.O.
Since we are all Adam’s children, did you or your parents somehow miss out on inheriting his faulty DNA? (Romans 5:12) You must be from outer space then....Having the battle and falling in the battle are not the same.
I am a daughter of my mother and father. I don't know Adam. Obviously, you claim him as your dad, because you make the same excuses for sinning he did.
Why did Jesus have to be sinless to redeem us? Why did he have to give his life so that we can be forgiven?
How does it work?
I assume that you think you are one of them.....I will disagree with you again....but you are free to believe as you wish....I am not your judge and neither are you mine. I can let Jesus do his job when the time for judgment comes....in the meantime, may I suggest that you tone down your vilifications and act a little more Christ-like.Sinless is a life without sinning from cradle to grave. Jesus is the only man to do live sinlessly in this life. Repented saints in Him are simply not sinning today.
My mother always said...”you can attract more butterflies with honey than you can with vinegar”.